swipe right wrote:Jedi wrote:gooney wrote:Jedi wrote:gooney wrote:us and chelsea have bad managers. chelsea fans want their manager out and find what he has done unacceptable. Emery who has performed worse....our fans are not too down. It shows which club thinks big and which club thinks small
Yes and if i was a Newcastle fan i wouldn't want Rafa out for being 1 point above relegation, because that's their level currently and i don't believe many managers could improve on that.
Similarly, i don't think 1 point behind top 4 with the level of players we have is a bad achievement. Chelsea, on the other hand, should be doing better. Sarri should definitely be doing better with the players he has but i don't think even he deserves to be sacked yet.
you used newcastle as an example to defend emery....always come up with the worst example.
Ok, i don't criticize Poch that his team isn't competing for the title because top 4 is their level at the moment and anything higher would be unrealistic with that squad.
What f***ing difference does the above example make? I didn't compare Arsenal to Newcastle, i simply stated Chelsea and Arsenal squads aren't on the same level so it's unfair to have the same expectations of Sarri and Emery, as would be unfair in a more extreme example with Rafa.
You completely missed the point. You have horrible comprehension skills.
Sarri has had Giroud and Morata as his center forwards until last month. Compared to Auba and Laca.
We have better center forwards so i guess that negates the rest of the team and the fact that they have 2 out of the top 10 best players in the world in Hazard and Kante.
GK: Kepa > Leno
RB: Azpilicueta > Bellerin >>>>>>>>>>> Maitland who we are forced to play for the rest of the season
CB: Rudiger ≥ Sokratis
CB: David Luiz > Koscielny >> Mustafi
LB: He's been shit under Sarri but Alonso over Kolasinac/Monreal every day of the week.
CMs: Kante >>>>>>>>>>> Torreira/Guendouzi/Kovacic/Xhaka > Jorginho > Ruben Loftus-Cheek > Elneny
I don't know how to do the offensive players because they're all deployed in 5 different positions. What's clear is that Hazard is clearly one of the best in the world and they also have a decent amount of firepower in Barkley, Willian, Pedro, Morata, Giroud. Their strikers are crap but better wingers more than make up for it imho. I'd say we definitely have better offensive players but even if we count Ozil and Ramsey i still think It's very obvious Chelsea is the better team here.
EDIT:
Sims wrote:Arsenal’s and Chelsea’s squad are pretty similar calibre
Kepa > Leno
Azpi (as RB) = Bellerin
Rudiger > Mustafi
Luiz < Sokratis
Alonso < Monreal
Jorginho < Torreira
Kante > Xhaka
Kovacic = Guendouzi
Pedro < Auba
Higuain < Laca
Hazard > Iwobi
Caballero = Cech
Emerson = Kolasinac
Christensen = Koscielny
Zappacosta = AMN
Barkley < Ramsey
Willian < Ozil
Giroud > Eddie/Welbz
Dunno who else is missing from Chelsea bar CHO, Loftus-Cheek, Ampadu and Cahill. I’ve left out Holding, Jenks, Lichtsteiner, Mavropanos, Micki and Denis Suarez
Didn't even notice this post but ended up doing the same type of comparison. The issue i have with yours is that depending on who you put up against who you get different results. For example, i agree Sokratis but if we put him up against David Luiz but if we put Luiz up against Mustafi i think he's better.
Also, Laca being a slightly better player (which is very, very debatable btw) isn't the same as Hazard > Iwobi. I would argue Hazard is so much better than Iwobi that he alone makes Hazard - Higuain - Pedro/Willian more powerful than Iwobi - Auba - Laca.
Basically, the shear quality of Kante and Hazard elevate them above us.