In Arsène We Trust ~ Victoria Concordia Crescit

[Apollo]

How can his legacy be a failure when he's won 3 premier leagues, 6 fa cups, 6 community shields and gone an entire season unbeaten? He holds some of the most prestigious records in English football.

People can sometimes be prisoners of the moment.

Legacy is fine, we don't talk about Washington Wizzards Michael Jordan, achievements don't disappear.

It will always come back to the guy who revolutionized the modern game, that bit is solidly etched in History.

[Arsene Nose]

No one has won more FA cups than Wenger and only one manager has won more premier leagues. Like him or hate him, this is fact.

[Arsene Nose]

How can his legacy be a failure when he's won 3 premier leagues, 6 fa cups, 6 community shields and gone an entire season unbeaten? He holds some of the most prestigious records in English football.

His games per trophy ratio is shite

Never heard of a games per trophy ratio but there's always a first time. How about you put your money where your mouth is and share with us an analysis of games to trophies of all managers with over 1000 games to their name? Would be keen to see if you can prove his games to trophy ratio is shite.

Well for a start, Wenger Out thread page one, post one

You can update the figures for 2016 if you like

Do let me know how you get on xx

I checked. Doesn't exist. Still waiting for your analysis of managers with over 1000 games.

[UFGN]

No one has won more FA cups than Wenger and only one manager has won more premier leagues. Like him or hate him, this is fact.

So what? You're not getting the trophy ratio point are you? Give any manager the reigns of a top club for that long and you'll get the same or better results

[UFGN]

How can his legacy be a failure when he's won 3 premier leagues, 6 fa cups, 6 community shields and gone an entire season unbeaten? He holds some of the most prestigious records in English football.

His games per trophy ratio is shite

Never heard of a games per trophy ratio but there's always a first time. How about you put your money where your mouth is and share with us an analysis of games to trophies of all managers with over 1000 games to their name? Would be keen to see if you can prove his games to trophy ratio is shite.

Well for a start, Wenger Out thread page one, post one

You can update the figures for 2016 if you like

Do let me know how you get on xx

I checked. Doesn't exist. Still waiting for your analysis of managers with over 1000 games.

What do you mean it doesn't exist

Wenger Out thread

Page one

Post one

You can use that as a template and figure it out yourself

You won't like the result

[Arsene Nose]

No one has won more FA cups than Wenger and only one manager has won more premier leagues. Like him or hate him, this is fact.

So what? You're not getting the trophy ratio point are you? Give any manager the reigns of a top club for that long and you'll get the same or better results

On the contrary. The longer you stay the worse your ratio gets. Just ask poor Jose Mourinho.

[Arsene Nose]

How can his legacy be a failure when he's won 3 premier leagues, 6 fa cups, 6 community shields and gone an entire season unbeaten? He holds some of the most prestigious records in English football.

His games per trophy ratio is shite

Never heard of a games per trophy ratio but there's always a first time. How about you put your money where your mouth is and share with us an analysis of games to trophies of all managers with over 1000 games to their name? Would be keen to see if you can prove his games to trophy ratio is shite.

Well for a start, Wenger Out thread page one, post one

You can update the figures for 2016 if you like

Do let me know how you get on xx

I checked. Doesn't exist. Still waiting for your analysis of managers with over 1000 games.

What do you mean it doesn't exist

Wenger Out thread

Page one

Post one

You can use that as a template and figure it out yourself

You won't like the result

Only point in that post is about George graham who never managed us over a 1000 games. If that's your proof point, I'm going to jump out of this discussion now as it's meaningless.

[Apollo]

No one has won more FA cups than Wenger and only one manager has won more premier leagues. Like him or hate him, this is fact.

So what? You're not getting the trophy ratio point are you? Give any manager the reigns of a top club for that long and you'll get the same or better results

See this is where we get into ridiculous revisionist territory.

Meh anyone could do it.

[UFGN]

How can his legacy be a failure when he's won 3 premier leagues, 6 fa cups, 6 community shields and gone an entire season unbeaten? He holds some of the most prestigious records in English football.

His games per trophy ratio is shite

Never heard of a games per trophy ratio but there's always a first time. How about you put your money where your mouth is and share with us an analysis of games to trophies of all managers with over 1000 games to their name? Would be keen to see if you can prove his games to trophy ratio is shite.

Well for a start, Wenger Out thread page one, post one

You can update the figures for 2016 if you like

Do let me know how you get on xx

I checked. Doesn't exist. Still waiting for your analysis of managers with over 1000 games.

What do you mean it doesn't exist

Wenger Out thread

Page one

Post one

You can use that as a template and figure it out yourself

You won't like the result

Only point in that post is about George graham who never managed us over a 1000 games. If that's your proof point, I'm going to jump out of this discussion now as it's meaningless.

Six trophy laden years as Arsenal manager is meaningless

Ok

[UFGN]

Eight even

[Highbury Hillbilly]

Each year that we go without a league title is a year that Wenger's legacy weakens. Yes, for the first decade, he was easily in the top 5 of managers in European football.

So was Louis van Gaal. Bringing up LVG's 1997 CL win gets Utd fans laughed at these days, and rightly so. Nobody stays on top forever, and you can't trade on past successes as justifying years of malaise. Winning a league title in 2004 has no bearing on your ability to win it in 2016, because football has changed a ton since then.

I respect what he achieved for the club during the lean years post-Highbury, but at this point he has to buy the likes of Alexis, Cech and Ozil to stay in the same place. That's not progress. It's papering over the cracks, which are widening each year.

[DarkskinJahmane]

jesus our fanbase is only behind Madrid and Liverpool in being the biggest morons...you might need to watch all our season reviews under him then if you still feel like his legacy is failure, commit that

[ronniec]

2nd best manager in PL history, just behind SAF.

And? I want to move forward, have a new manager, and move on.

Legacy is a word you describe something "in the past".
You won't talk about Michael Jordan's "legacy" while he was still playing.
Yes, Wenger is in the past. He can have his legacy and please retire.

[Denis_E]

My goodness, anything to detract from the crucial issue, namely it's 2016 and we are trailing Leicester City (not to mention Spurs) and we are told that with our financial infrastucture, our world class manager couldn't do any better...

But no let's bicker over the semantics of the word 'legacy'

No doubt he had his glory days, but we all know how insane it is to stick with someone for infinity, regardless of who it is. We all are also aware that he has not made any credible progress in over a decade at winning the title or the CL (bar the 2006 final). So an educated guess is if he stays still 2019 he will be a manager that has failed to win the EPL title in 15 years, and took one of Europe's top 7 wealthiest sides to just one CL final in 23 years. Not to mention produced teams that play shittier and shittier football season after season

That's what you get for overstaying your welcome, some f***ing 'legacy'

[sohi420]

Will be remembered as specialist in failure if he signs another deal. He should just get over with it already while people have some respect left for him.