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[Va-Va-Voom]

Seaman, Bould, Dixon, Winterburn, Keown, Adams, Parlour, Wright and Bergkamp.

That's a solid core to build around.

[swipe right]

Seaman, Bould, Dixon, Winterburn, Keown, Adams, Parlour, Wright and Bergkamp.

That's a solid core to build around.

Indeed. So are Auba, Laca, Ozil, Ramsey, Xhaka, Torreira, Sokratis, Bellerin and Leno.

[EliteKiller]

Indeed. So are Auba, Laca, Ozil, Ramsey, Xhaka, Torreira, Sokratis, Bellerin and Leno.

Confirmed idiocy, so going forward you would build around these three? ... just how is that going to work?

Auba >30 .... Ozil poison .... Ramsey gone ....

not forgetting Torreira and Leno weren't even in the squad The Don inherited ....

You don't half post some utter nonsense ...

[theHotHead]

Please please please. People stop the madness. If you ever opened a newspaper in England in the nineties you’d know what a disaster football was back then. The players were out of control, the manager was profiting off the team, and the entire infrastructure was in a deep malaise. Compare Adams, Keown and Bould against their European counterparts like Paolo Maldini and they just don’t stack up. History has been very kind to these guys.
Now back to Wenger. He not only made these washed up drunks win, he then went on and built an entire invincibles squad 6 seasons later that had none of George Graham’s players in it. So much for inheriting good players.
As far as Emery goes. Of the players that started in the EL final I’d say Monreal and Cech are past it and AMN questionable. The other eight are absolute quality players who are more than good enough for top four or an EL win.
So to answer, I think Emery inherited the better squad.

Youre a disgusting mess of a human being.

You think its ok to insult club legends and dismiss Graham's squad? Whats pissing me off most about you is that people who don't know better might believe your bullshit

Put this clown on ignore

I don't agree with Swipe right at all but, I have to say he has put forward a fair argument and does not seem to be wumming. You can't compare the legendary back four to say AC Milan's back 4. I remember being at Highbury for Arsenal vs Milan and it was a lesson in defending from the Italians!!! Baresi, Costacurta and Maldini, I don't remember who the right back was, I have never seen defending as good in my life.

That said, you CAN compare our legendary back 4 to any top defence from an English club, they were one of the best ad history proves. So I guess it depends on your point of view, his argument is valid though, like I said.

[Nuggets]

Indeed. So are Auba, Laca, Ozil, Ramsey, Xhaka, Torreira, Sokratis, Bellerin and Leno.

Confirmed idiocy, so going forward you would build around these three? ... just how is that going to work?

Auba >30 .... Ozil poison .... Ramsey gone ....

not forgetting Torreira and Leno weren't even in the squad The Don inherited ....

You don't half post some utter nonsense ...

That's why he is on the ignore list.

[Rockape]

Changing the subject slightly, am I right in thinking the Le Prof was on £11m a year?

Just reading that Klopp is on £7m and they are looking to secure home for a longer contract at £10m pa. if so, it’s no wonder he didn’t want to go!!

[theHotHead]

Seaman, Bould, Dixon, Winterburn, Keown, Adams, Parlour, Wright and Bergkamp.

That's a solid core to build around.

Indeed. So are Auba, Laca, Ozil, Ramsey, Xhaka, Torreira, Sokratis, Bellerin and Leno.

Auba and Laca don't come close to Wright and Bergkamp, not even close!! Quality of Wright and Bergkamp and the fact they didn't miss as many chances either is my reasoning.

I will give you Ramsey = Parlour because of the sheer number of goals/assists and important goals Ramsey scored, his inconsistency compared to Parlour's is high.

Leno, Bellerin and Sokratis do not come close to the legendary back 4, its a piss take to even compare. Bellerin especially is fookin shite.

That leaves Ozil and Merson. On the form they were in when their respective managers took over the club, Ozil produced much better numbers for goals and assists in each of his last 2 seasons before Emery joined than the number of goals and assists in each of Merson's last 2 seasons before Wenger joined, so Ozil comfortably was in better form. That said Merson's swashbuckling style made him a crowd favourite and could drag the team forward in ways that Ozil cannot, so the gap is not so big. I would say Ozil wins that battle, just.

[UFGN]

Please please please. People stop the madness. If you ever opened a newspaper in England in the nineties you’d know what a disaster football was back then. The players were out of control, the manager was profiting off the team, and the entire infrastructure was in a deep malaise. Compare Adams, Keown and Bould against their European counterparts like Paolo Maldini and they just don’t stack up. History has been very kind to these guys.
Now back to Wenger. He not only made these washed up drunks win, he then went on and built an entire invincibles squad 6 seasons later that had none of George Graham’s players in it. So much for inheriting good players.
As far as Emery goes. Of the players that started in the EL final I’d say Monreal and Cech are past it and AMN questionable. The other eight are absolute quality players who are more than good enough for top four or an EL win.
So to answer, I think Emery inherited the better squad.

Youre a disgusting mess of a human being.

You think its ok to insult club legends and dismiss Graham's squad? Whats pissing me off most about you is that people who don't know better might believe your bullshit

Put this clown on ignore

I don't agree with Swipe right at all but, I have to say he has put forward a fair argument and does not seem to be wumming. You can't compare the legendary back four to say AC Milan's back 4. I remember being at Highbury for Arsenal vs Milan and it was a lesson in defending from the Italians!!! Baresi, Costacurta and Maldini, I don't remember who the right back was, I have never seen defending as good in my life.

That said, you CAN compare our legendary back 4 to any top defence from an English club, they were one of the best ad history proves. So I guess it depends on your point of view, his argument is valid though, like I said.

I can guarantee you he is wumming. Anything to have a childish swoon over Wenger

Maldini and co were superb. But Milan were set up very defensively and their legend was somewhat inflated I feel by Italian football being very popular at the time

Also remember that Adams and co missed out on proving themselves in Europe in 1989 because of the ban

[swipe right]

Adams, Seamen, Bould, Dixon, Winterburn were all part of the 94 England side that failed to qualify for the World Cup. Sorry lads but by the mid 90s they were finished. The only reason we talk fondly about them today is because wenger squeezed two league trophies out of them and sent them into retirement with glory.

Secondly, you forget that when Wenger came the club was filled with good old English lads and wenger was the outlier as far as foreign managers go. I think Houllier was the other. Emery has come in an era when foreign managers and foreign squads are the norm. This guy can’t handle Ozils shenanigans, can you imagine him dealing with the likes of Adams and Merson and their drinking and bullying? He’d have gone running back to sunny Spain in a month.

And HH, thanks for respecting another person right to have a different opinion. Shame we don’t see more of that on this forum.

[starmandb]

Adams, Seamen, Bould, Dixon, Winterburn were all part of the 94 England side that failed to qualify for the World Cup. Sorry lads but by the mid 90s they were finished. The only reason we talk fondly about them today is because wenger squeezed two league trophies out of them and sent them into retirement with glory.

Secondly, you forget that when Wenger came the club was filled with good old English lads and wenger was the outlier as far as foreign managers go. I think Houllier was the other. Emery has come in an era when foreign managers and foreign squads are the norm. This guy can’t handle Ozils shenanigans, can you imagine him dealing with the likes of Adams and Merson and their drinking and bullying? He’d have gone running back to sunny Spain in a month.

And HH, thanks for respecting another person right to have a different opinion. Shame we don’t see more of that on this forum.

Steve bould won 2 caps for England 2 friendlys under venables both clean sheets
Nigel winter won 2 caps a clean sheet v italy. Under Robson
And a friendly in America v Germany conceding 1 under Taylor
Neither were involved in our qualfying campaign for World Cup 94
While I agree that Wenger rejuvenated a defence that was starting to leak
And It drives me mad when I see him discredited for inheriting Graham's defence
We conceded 29 goals in a 42 game season in 93/94
Graham is the high watermark for arsenal defending and we conceded on average 34 in a 38 game season
Seems to me more fool England for not utilising a fantastic defensive unit

[swipe right]

Was just re-watching Wenger and Mourinho's analysis of the CL finals wondering how on earth have these two giants been replaced by Emery and Solskjaer. Travesty.

[StLGooner]

Was just re-watching Wenger and Mourinho's analysis of the CL finals wondering how on earth have these two giants been replaced by Emery and Solskjaer. Travesty.

Because the game has passed both of them by.

[Angelito]

Murmurs that Wenger is heading to FIFA.

He turned down Bayern, PSG, Lyon, and UEFA allegedly.

[DiamondGooner]

............. of course he did.

Bayern ad PSG actually want to compete and demand results.

Wenger only loved his philosophy, he can't stand splashing out to win.

[EliteKiller]

Murmurs that Wenger is heading to FIFA.

He turned down Bayern, PSG, Lyon, and UEFA allegedly.

He also turned down being the next Pope, the first man on Mars and the Pornhub new product tester ...... busy week