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Re: How much is "enough" money for transfers?

Postby Zedie » Sat May 19, 2018 8:11 pm

Long story short:

We have 50m total to spend but out of that we need to account for wage increases and salary negotiations for players like ramsey etc.

However, we will be losing wengers salary, mertesacker, Joel Campbell (probs), and others probably so we could end up moving significantly away from our salary cap which means more room to offer others.

We will probably have to sell so someone like ramsey would command a big transfer fee at the mo.
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Re: How much is "enough" money for transfers?

Postby Lucky7 » Sat May 19, 2018 8:15 pm

Zedie wrote:Long story short:

We have 50m total to spend but out of that we need to account for wage increases and salary negotiations for players like ramsey etc.

However, we will be losing wengers salary, mertesacker, Joel Campbell (probs), and others probably so we could end up moving significantly away from our salary cap which means more room to offer others.

We will probably have to sell so someone like ramsey would command a big transfer fee at the mo.


The simplest way I can put it is that we should think of the budget in terms of an additional 425k in wages before sales.

It's more complicated than that but the wages are the main issue not transfer fees. We will be able to spend well beyond 50m (net) if we want to. Most scenarios result in 75-100m net spend. The more players the less total spend.

Agree with Zedie that we will have to sell 1-3 players near or in the starting 11 because of the # of signings needed. Without selling its hard to make any major signing without failing to address issues.
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Re: How much is "enough" money for transfers?

Postby Arsene Nose » Sun May 20, 2018 12:22 am

Auba was our big signing for 2018. The rest will be cheap kids.
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Re: How much ienough" money for transfers?

Postby Marsbar100 » Mon May 21, 2018 8:54 am

The money is there we made 18m last season, the problem is the wage rule, we can easily spend 100m we have to find a way to not break the wage rule
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Re: How much is "enough" money for transfers?

Postby Zedie » Mon May 21, 2018 9:07 am

Definitely leaving:

Mertesacker
Joel Campbell
Mustafi
Cazorla

Hopefully leaving:

Cech

should free up sa big chunk of wage budget and with it, transfer funds.

Failing that, kronke could get one of his pals to 'sponsor' our arsenal branded tea towels for 1 billion like city do and all of a sudden we are ffp compliant.
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Re: How much is "enough" money for transfers?

Postby Pudpop » Mon May 21, 2018 9:08 am

Marsbar100 wrote:The money is there we made 18m last season, the problem is the wage rule, we can easily spend 100m we have to find a way to not break the wage rule
Well we have Santi and Mertesacker off the books next season. Theo, Giroud and Alexis more than make up for Micky and PEA. So we should start off with at least 200k/w free above what we had last season.

Also Arteta shouldn't make nearly as much as Wenger so there's that

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Re: How much is "enough" money for transfers?

Postby Zedie » Mon May 21, 2018 9:11 am

Only issue might be is how much of a dent did ozil laca and aubas wages make and how much is Rambo asking?

Best part is only 1 of the 5 (cech) actually contributes to the squad playing wise so it's not like there's a huge loss of talent.

Also, does anyone know if staff budget is included or if it's only playing staff? We've just post 8m pa for wengers wages in exchange for a portion of onion rings and industrial tub of dax per week for arteta.
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Re: How much is "enough" money for transfers?

Postby Marsbar100 » Mon May 21, 2018 9:20 am

Ozil, laca, mkhy and auba is from last season, their wage increase was balanced out by selling giroud, ox, sanchez, theo, debucy, gibbs, we met the rules there.


Ramsey will be a problem though, to keep him we will blow cazorla and pers wages no problem.

I don't know if wengers wages count, will try to have a look.

The bummer about the el semi final is if we had of won, the cl money for next season would have been 40m we didn't get the previous season, we would have been able to account that in our wage increase.
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Re: How much is

Postby EliteKiller » Mon May 21, 2018 9:46 am

Pudpop wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:The money is there we made 18m last season, the problem is the wage rule, we can easily spend 100m we have to find a way to not break the wage rule
Well we have Santi and Mertesacker off the books next season. Theo, Giroud and Alexis more than make up for Micky and PEA. So we should start off with at least 200k/w free above what we had last season.

Also Arteta shouldn't make nearly as much as Wenger so there's that


Not true ... we will start with a lot higher wages spend because Wonger already blew the budget and then some ...

Lacc 120k, Pea 180k, Ozil 300k, Mkhi 120k are all now on very high numbers ... between them that's 720k or 38m a year

Even taking our Sanchez 130k, Santi 90k, Mert 80k, Theo 90k, Giroud 110k, Ox 70k ... that's only 570k or 30m a year

you've then got to add potential pay rises to Ramsey, Wilshere, Iwobi, Elneny ... say 25k each that's anothr 5m

so we will be 13m over last year's budget and two players worse off .... that's before any new signings ... or any promotions from the youth squad to make up the numbers ...

Not sure how accurate the salaries are but seem about right https://www.totalsportek.com/money/arsenal-player-salaries/

Of course we are not alone in this nearly every EPL side made the maximum increase in salary in 2018 ...

It will all come down to how much from our increased TV revenue the board is willing to free up ... with no CL again that may well be limited ... the other big factor is how much we are allowed to spend under EPL rules, this Forbes article shows us already right at the maximum increase with no new signings at all ...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbymcmahon/2018/01/23/can-arsenal-afford-ozil-wilshere-mkhitaryan-and-auba-in-light-of-premier-league-salary-cap/#50506d7f1eec

This season both Liverpool and Spurs can factor in the increases from their stadium improvements, these are outside the EPL salary cap so 100% of that money can be used on wages ... Liverpool have done that already, be interesting to see if Spurs splash the cash as well ... they would certainly be within the rules to do so .....
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Re: How much is "enough" money for transfers?

Postby Marsbar100 » Mon May 21, 2018 10:10 am

I don't think you can use any tv revenue increase to the wage budget, seems like we are f***ked, going to have to sell to buy near enough
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Re: How much is "enough" money for transfers?

Postby Santi » Mon May 21, 2018 10:11 am

This salary rule is such bullshit
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Re: How much is "enough" money for transfers?

Postby Marsbar100 » Mon May 21, 2018 10:12 am

Ramey will want a huge wage increase, if his on 110k and ozil is on 300k he will ask for 250k
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Re: How much is "enough" money for transfers?

Postby Santi » Mon May 21, 2018 10:13 am

So get rid cos he's not worth more than 150k
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Re: How much is "enough" money for transfers?

Postby Marsbar100 » Mon May 21, 2018 10:17 am

Mesüt wrote:So get rid cos he's not worth more than 150k


I would want to see him under another manager before judging his worth, with this rule though we might have to sell him.

The c*** think about this rule is it penalises teams trying to do things properly but i guess city can announce silly bullshit deals every year and then spend what they want,.
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Re: How much is "enough" money for transfers?

Postby Santi » Mon May 21, 2018 10:19 am

exactly, also benefits those already on high wages before it came in.
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