Except that White shouldn’t even be here, we had two ready made CBS we could have used.
Instead we blew 50 million on a CB who isn’t even world class and still has a lot to learn.
The lack of common sense is shocking.
by Salibatelli » Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:00 pm
by jayramfootball » Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:05 pm
Özim wrote:Except that White shouldn’t even be here, we had two ready made CBS we could have used.
Instead we blew 50 million on a CB who isn’t even world class and still has a lot to learn.
The lack of common sense is shocking.
by Arsenal Tone » Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:07 pm
by jayramfootball » Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:09 pm
Arsenal Tone wrote:We should have mavro and saliba as back up to gabriel and white. Four top CBs!
by theHotHead » Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:37 pm
jayramfootball wrote:Özim wrote:Except that White shouldn’t even be here, we had two ready made CBS we could have used.
Instead we blew 50 million on a CB who isn’t even world class and still has a lot to learn.
The lack of common sense is shocking.
Neither are suited to the role they have brought White in to do.
The only people who think it's White OR Saliba/ White OR Mavropanos really have not been paying much attention to either the games we play or what the club has said.
Saliba is competing with Mavropanos to be a backup to Gabriel - or maybe come into the side if we decide to play 5 at the back - in which case they will both be competing with Holding.
The way it looks is that Saliba will be sold and Mavropanos will make it.
by jayramfootball » Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:49 pm
theHotHead wrote:jayramfootball wrote:Özim wrote:Except that White shouldn’t even be here, we had two ready made CBS we could have used.
Instead we blew 50 million on a CB who isn’t even world class and still has a lot to learn.
The lack of common sense is shocking.
Neither are suited to the role they have brought White in to do.
The only people who think it's White OR Saliba/ White OR Mavropanos really have not been paying much attention to either the games we play or what the club has said.
Saliba is competing with Mavropanos to be a backup to Gabriel - or maybe come into the side if we decide to play 5 at the back - in which case they will both be competing with Holding.
The way it looks is that Saliba will be sold and Mavropanos will make it.
Mate White is in direct conpetition with Saliba, both ball playing CBs on the right side.
by Salibatelli » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:08 pm
jayramfootball wrote:Özim wrote:Except that White shouldn’t even be here, we had two ready made CBS we could have used.
Instead we blew 50 million on a CB who isn’t even world class and still has a lot to learn.
The lack of common sense is shocking.
Neither are suited to the role they have brought White in to do.
The only people who think it's White OR Saliba/ White OR Mavropanos really have not been paying much attention to either the games we play or what the club has said.
Saliba is competing with Mavropanos to be a backup to Gabriel - or maybe come into the side if we decide to play 5 at the back - in which case they will both be competing with Holding.
The way it looks is that Saliba will be sold and Mavropanos will make it.
by jayramfootball » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:14 pm
Özim wrote:jayramfootball wrote:Özim wrote:Except that White shouldn’t even be here, we had two ready made CBS we could have used.
Instead we blew 50 million on a CB who isn’t even world class and still has a lot to learn.
The lack of common sense is shocking.
Neither are suited to the role they have brought White in to do.
The only people who think it's White OR Saliba/ White OR Mavropanos really have not been paying much attention to either the games we play or what the club has said.
Saliba is competing with Mavropanos to be a backup to Gabriel - or maybe come into the side if we decide to play 5 at the back - in which case they will both be competing with Holding.
The way it looks is that Saliba will be sold and Mavropanos will make it.
I doubt it since Mavropanos is as good as sold already. As for Saliba, he won’t be competing with Holding as the guy isn’t good enough.
I think this plan you’re talking about won’t really be relevant anymore once Arteta gets the boot, something I expect will happen this season at some point.
by theHotHead » Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:06 pm
by theHotHead » Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:09 pm
by jayramfootball » Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:32 pm
theHotHead wrote:The stats above suggest Saliba plays more progressive passes than White has, in the past 365 days per 90 mins.
by Arsenal Tone » Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:26 pm
by swipe right » Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:01 pm
by theHotHead » Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:55 pm
jayramfootball wrote:theHotHead wrote:The stats above suggest Saliba plays more progressive passes than White has, in the past 365 days per 90 mins.
Please do not give me comparisons between the PL and the French league.
But even looking at your stats source:
> White plays the ball in behind the defensive line into space at a rate 2.5 times that of Saliba per game.
> He's nearly double at passes that lead to shots on goal per 90
> He has nearly 5 times the number of passes per 90 into the opponent's penalty box
> White is also significantly better at pressuring and winning possession, blocking passing lanes, tackling
Whites passes lead to more for his team and this in the PL as compared to the French League.
Again, stats compared between leagues are actually pretty meaningless, but even in a harder league the value of White's passing to the team is higher - using your stats, not mine
If and when Saliba makes it to the level of playing in the PL, we'll see if he can up his numbers to what White is doing.
Before then I would like to see his passing be more dangerous for the opponents in the French league - safe passing and high percentage completion rates are not the order of the day.
By the way - this is the reason Saliba has been underwhelming this season.
His passing is very safe and not very dangerous for the opposition and his defensive numbers are really quite poor.
That's why you see a lot of stats posted about his pass completion rate.
White is not what you would call a defender that will win a lot of tackles, pressures etc... he's a ball-playing defender who creates danger with his passes, but he's still getting better defensive numbers than Saliba as well as creating far more danger with his passing - all in a much tougher league.
Right now Saliba is not using his size and strength well enough.
There are 2 MAJOR flaws that he needs to overcome:
1) His positioning is poor - that is why his tackles and headers won are so low - it's not that he can;t tackle, he's just not in good positions
2) His agility is poor - not his speed (he's fast) - but his change of direction is Mertesacker like. He's Merts without the intelligence to be in the right place.
by jayramfootball » Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:02 pm
theHotHead wrote:jayramfootball wrote:theHotHead wrote:The stats above suggest Saliba plays more progressive passes than White has, in the past 365 days per 90 mins.
Please do not give me comparisons between the PL and the French league.
But even looking at your stats source:
> White plays the ball in behind the defensive line into space at a rate 2.5 times that of Saliba per game.
> He's nearly double at passes that lead to shots on goal per 90
> He has nearly 5 times the number of passes per 90 into the opponent's penalty box
> White is also significantly better at pressuring and winning possession, blocking passing lanes, tackling
Whites passes lead to more for his team and this in the PL as compared to the French League.
Again, stats compared between leagues are actually pretty meaningless, but even in a harder league the value of White's passing to the team is higher - using your stats, not mine
If and when Saliba makes it to the level of playing in the PL, we'll see if he can up his numbers to what White is doing.
Before then I would like to see his passing be more dangerous for the opponents in the French league - safe passing and high percentage completion rates are not the order of the day.
By the way - this is the reason Saliba has been underwhelming this season.
His passing is very safe and not very dangerous for the opposition and his defensive numbers are really quite poor.
That's why you see a lot of stats posted about his pass completion rate.
White is not what you would call a defender that will win a lot of tackles, pressures etc... he's a ball-playing defender who creates danger with his passes, but he's still getting better defensive numbers than Saliba as well as creating far more danger with his passing - all in a much tougher league.
Right now Saliba is not using his size and strength well enough.
There are 2 MAJOR flaws that he needs to overcome:
1) His positioning is poor - that is why his tackles and headers won are so low - it's not that he can;t tackle, he's just not in good positions
2) His agility is poor - not his speed (he's fast) - but his change of direction is Mertesacker like. He's Merts without the intelligence to be in the right place.
Huh?????
Where did you get that interpretation from ???? Not sure how you came to your conclusions. Bare stats, Saliba has better numbers in I reckon 80% of them.
The full export of data is in the Excel file attached.