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Re: Gazidis words at AGM

Postby bedboi » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:50 am

stir tensions? me? pfff. I don't go around presenting deWhitening as a 'virtue' that everyone must strive for. so what's the value of 'diversity'? as the other poster said, you can't always trust one guy to always make ths most rational choices. get a few people in there, they can present their views and all decide. that's 'diversity' of thoughts. how does that connect with 'needing' more minorities etc? explain, clintonettes
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Re: Gazidis words at AGM

Postby GoonerAlexandre » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:11 am

bedboi wrote:stir tensions? me? pfff. I don't go around presenting deWhitening as a 'virtue' that everyone must strive for. so what's the value of 'diversity'? as the other poster said, you can't always trust one guy to always make ths most rational choices. get a few people in there, they can present their views and all decide. that's 'diversity' of thoughts. how does that connect with 'needing' more minorities etc? explain, clintonettes

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Re: Gazidis words at AGM

Postby bedboi » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:23 am

don't know who you vote where, but you have opinions right? who do they align with? jk who cares, I'm not the one who started with politicians names, that was in response to the trump poster. and why do you choose to focus on one word rather than the whole post about 'diversity'?
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Re: Gazidis words at AGM

Postby GoonerAlexandre » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:00 am

bedboi wrote:don't know who you vote where, but you have opinions right? who do they align with? jk who cares, I'm not the one who started with politicians names, that was in response to the trump poster. and why do you choose to focus on one word rather than the whole post about 'diversity'?

I already said I want diversity of minds, don't care whether they're all white or not
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Re: Gazidis words at AGM

Postby theHotHead » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:40 am

There is also another saying though ... too many cooks spoil the broth. If you have loads of owners and they can't agree on anything how will that help the club ?
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Re: Gazidis words at AGM

Postby PairyGrows » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:45 pm

The AGM, in addition to being the exercise in futility as usual, was also an absolute farce. The vote, Keswick's condescending and downright rude behaviour, Gazidis' non-sensical rambling, Wenger's canned remarks, Kroenke's deafening silence and the abrupt ending made for a comical show.

If anything, it may prompt the club to either control their interactions with the fans more tightly in the future or restrict them to the absolute minimum.
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Re: Gazidis words at AGM

Postby Angelito » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:57 pm

Diversity isn't the issue. We're not charity or some government organization. However, there is a severe disconnect between Arsenal board/the club and Arsenal fans right now. The board is filled with old, white, snobby, AND football-distant elites. The white part isn't the problem. The other three parts are what's holding Arsenal back from winning big trophies. Running a football club is different from running Mars, Incorporated.

Notice how old the powerhouses at Arsenal are: Wenger's 68, Kroenke is 70, Keswick is 77. Gazidis is relatively younger at 53, but he's an executive foremost and, from the looks of it, not a highly ambitious one. The youngest person with a say is Kroenke's son and he's there because he's an heir. To put it into perspective, Josh received a fully-funded scholarship at the University of Missouri for his exceptional abilities with the basketball. The only catch is that Stan Kroenke has been involved with the same university for the last 50 years and has been one of its contributors/supporters. Yay.

The major problem at Arsenal is communication or lack thereof. If Arsenal board were willing to revamp its communication department and add in younger bloods, or allow them to work freely, with a mind to be progressive, this disconnect would be less so. Think about it: when has Arsene Wenger spoken honestly to the fans about Arsenal's affairs? When has Gazidis done so? When has Keswick ever bothered to treat fans as anything more than, "bloody customers?" If Wenger were more honest with the fans; if Gazidis spoke the bottomline about Arsenal's ambition (or lack of) and about how Arsenal are willing to compete but only under a restricted financial model, it would disappoint the fans—but it would also pacify many of us who want/who believe that Arsenal should be aiming higher.

It's a simple issue. The surprising part is how incompetent/arrogant Arsenal is - that they don't want to engage in such discourse. It's much easier for Gazidis to speak from a memo, or for Wenger to speak like a politician.

It's baffling. Honestly, how do these guys even go to sleep? Amazing.


PairyGrows wrote:The AGM, in addition to being the exercise in futility as usual, was also an absolute farce. The vote, Keswick's condescending and downright rude behaviour, Gazidis' non-sensical rambling, Wenger's canned remarks, Kroenke's deafening silence and the abrupt ending made for a comical show.

If anything, it may prompt the club to either control their interactions with the fans more tightly in the future or restrict them to the absolute minimum.


The problem with this board is priority. Arsenal doesn't know what it wants to be. I'm referring to Arsenal as it because it's an entity here - not a social/cultural institution that it's supposed to be. The honchos up there are against interactions with fans and the media; they're not welcoming in their attitude, and the PR is an absolute disaster at Arsenal. Instead of acting like a football club or a sports team, it seems Arsenal is focused on projecting itself as a bureaucratic organization or a privately-owned small-scale business that has no time or the willingness to foster relationships with its stakeholders.

I'm actually surprised that Arsenal is a public company. The way it prefers to operate, this is a classic case of how a conservative private company operates. I do think that if Kroenke manages to buy Usmanov's shares, he will turn Arsenal into a "kind-of" private company. The stock market position of Arsenal is the only factor—probably the most important factor—detering Kroenke from privatizing Arsenal. These people do not want to be there at any statutory meeting. They do not want to release any statements. They do not like the free trade-off of shares.

They just don't want the fans to be involved in "their" affairs as the former Chairman so brightly revealed. It IS, for them, their affair and I wouldn't be surprised if Kroenke, Gazidis, and especially that snobby Keswick were baffled to the state of speechlessness when they think of how passionate, how involved, and how vocal fans are. It's a real mind-bender for them.
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Re: Gazidis words at AGM

Postby DiamondGooner » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:34 pm

Well this one isn't difficult.

The reason there is a communication problem at AFC is because its deliberate.

We the fans ask questions the board know we won't like the answer to hence why they fluster, ignore, and frustrate ......... its like watching Prime Ministers Questions.

"How' Brexit going?"

"Urrhm sorry I didn't understand the question"

"Brexit? the progress?"

"Ahhh yes right, well you can read about it in the Telegraph but all in all we as a country will have the mental strength to get through it, when the deals done it will be like a new country"
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Re: Gazidis words at AGM

Postby GoonerAlexandre » Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:04 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:Well this one isn't difficult.

The reason there is a communication problem at AFC is because its deliberate.

We the fans ask questions the board know we won't like the answer to hence why they fluster, ignore, and frustrate ......... its like watching Prime Ministers Questions.

"How' Brexit going?"

"Urrhm sorry I didn't understand the question"

"Brexit? the progress?"

"Ahhh yes right, well you can read about it in the Telegraph but all in all we as a country will have the mental strength to get through it, when the deals done it will be like a new country"

At least they can't say, "It's better than it was under the previous regime"
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Re: Gazidis words at AGM

Postby Callum » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:44 am

in canada he's called sir fries kewsick
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Re: Gazidis words at AGM

Postby GoonerAlexandre » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:10 am

Callum wrote:in canada he's called sir fries kewsick

Callum proving you can't drink and post, let alone drink and drive #SafetyFirst
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Re: Gazidis words at AGM

Postby bedboi » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:44 am

strange how even the guy expressing that them being White 'isn't the problem' starts his post calling the board 'old, White, snobby'...

true about 'too many cooks', that's why they need to be smart and cordial enough to first of all know what they're doing, then find a way to agree. the condescending attitude? yeah, sadly typical. they have their 'vision' and don't like being challenged about it. at the same time, you must surely see that the clowns laughing at them for 'lack of racial diversity', whatever that means, are displaying the same scumbag attitude with their delusional, racist beliefs

what's up with you guys randomly mentioning politicians again? do you really wanna go back to antiEuropean union so bad? come on now
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Re: Gazidis words at AGM

Postby GoonerAlexandre » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:51 am

bedboi wrote:strange how even the guy expressing that them being White 'isn't the problem' starts his post calling the board 'old, White, snobby'...

true about 'too many cooks', that's why they need to be smart and cordial enough to first of all know what they're doing, then find a way to agree. the condescending attitude? yeah, sadly typical. they have their 'vision' and don't like being challenged about it. at the same time, you must surely see that the clowns laughing at them for 'lack of racial diversity', whatever that means, are displaying the same scumbag attitude with their delusional, racist beliefs

what's up with you guys randomly mentioning politicians again? do you really wanna go back to antiEuropean union so bad? come on now

We haven't left the "antiEuropean Union" yet. :dizzy:
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Re: Gazidis words at AGM

Postby bedboi » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:34 am

you're in the process of leaving, which wouldn't even be an option if it were up to komunist sukas
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Re: Gazidis words at AGM

Postby GoonerAlexandre » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:59 am

Big17?
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