Potential Super League

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Would you like to see a European super league?

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Potential Super League

Postby LMAO » Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:01 am

Elk's recent comment got me thinking. A European super league would be dope. There's been noise of it happening. Florentino Perez wants a different competition to the Champions League. Wenger, Seedorf, and Gordon Strachan can see it happening. Representatives from Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, and United were seen leaving a meeting regarding the possibility of one in 2016.

Maybe it's my American mentality versus the overall European mentality, but here, teams not in the highest professional leagues aren't really given the time of day. The minor leagues in baseball (AAA, AA, A) aren't well attended (highest average attendance for any team is less than 9,000). The NBA's G League is probably even less for all I know. As a result, people can follow teams regardless of distance, and there as much pressure to support the closest team as there is in Europe. For the NFL, there can be a Pittsburgh Steelers fan in Los Angeles (LA to Pittsburgh: 2,419 mi, or 3,893 km) or a New England Patriots fan in Portland, Oregon (Portland to Boston: 3,097 mi, or 4,984 km).

Will it be good for European football? Depends on whom you ask. I'd love to see the biggest European clubs go at it over an entire season in one league instead of playing shit-tier fodder in the CL group stages. This would probably all but kill the vast majority of clubs in Europe, but money talks, and there's a decent chance a European super league will eventually happen, regardless of what the average fan wants. The European Cup (and its predecessors) was limited to domestic champions and the previous season's European Cup champion before morphing into the Champions League, where multiple participants were allowed from multiple countries, thereby increasing the number of big clubs allowed to participate. Like the European Cup becoming the Champions League, a super league will be a natural progression of the Champions League, getting rid of qualifying rounds and group stage fodder in favor of only the biggest clubs.

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Super League
1) Arsenal
2) Chelsea
3) Liverpool
4) Manchester City
5) Manchester United
6) Atletico Madrid
7) Barcelona
8) Real Madrid
9) AC Milan
10) Inter Milan
11) Juventus
12) Lyon
13) PSG
14) Bayern Munich
15) Borussia Dortmund
16) Schalke
17) Fenerbahce
18) Galatasaray
19) SL Benfica
20) Zenit

Criteria:
•No decrepit stadium
•Minimum stadium capacity: 45,000
•Minimum annual revenue: €150m
•No more than 5 clubs per country (revenue is tiebreaker)

Clubs with room to improve:
•Tottenham (revenue tiebreaker)
•Monaco (stadium capacity, revenue)
•Marseille (revenue)
•Roma (decrepit stadium?)
•Napoli (decrepit stadium, revenue)
•Shakhtar Donestk (decrepit stadium, revenue)
•Ajax (revenue)
•PSV (stadium capacity, revenue)
•Feyenoord (revenue)
•Besiktas (revenue)
•Porto (revenue)
•Sporting CP (revenue)
•Spartak Moscow (revenue)
•Celtic (revenue)
•Rangers (revenue)

Second Division
1. Everton
2. Tottenham
3. Sevilla
4. Valencia
5. Marseille
6. Monaco
7. Borussia Monchengladbach
8. RB Leipzig
9. Napoli
10. Roma
11. Porto
12. Sporting CP
13. Ajax
14. PSV
15. Dynamo Kiev
16. Shakhtar Donestk
17. Celtic
18. Rangers
19. Besiktas
20. Spartak Moscow

Criteria:
•Stadium has modern facilities or plans to renovate/build new stadium
•Minimum stadium capacity: 30,000 (Monaco granted an exception based on stadium expansion being unfeasible)
•Minimum revenue: €75m
•No more than 2 clubs per country (revenue is tiebreaker)
•No clubs from the same city (Celtic and Rangers granted an exception based on historical significance)

Third Division
Cba to do one, but regional leagues (like Iberia, Scandinavia, Eastern bloc sans Germany, etc.)

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Obviously, relegation would have to be figured out to maintain a link to present day domestic leagues and the CL group stages, but it could work in the long run, and quite frankly, it'd be awesome to see. One major problem would be getting people to support different clubs in the super leagues (like American fans when their local team moves cities), but future generations will grow up only knowing the super leagues, so the problem will really only be confined to present generations. And the current supporters should be enough to prop the clubs up until future generations come along.

What are your thoughts on a potential super league? Yay or no? And why?
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Re: Potential European Super League

Postby EliteKiller » Thu Sep 28, 2017 4:47 am

It just doesn't work on a global scale ....

The only country that has made 'super-leagues' a viable business (but only for a select few) is the USA ... that's because it has the money and infrastructure to support the entire league within it's borders, and crucially operates under just one countries legislation ...

That won't work when you have teams from a dozen countries with different tax, corporation, consumer and employment laws ... just imagine Turkey, Russia, Spain giving their selected clubs 'preferential' treatment ... just as they do now ... do you think UEFA or FIFA will trump National laws? they don't now and they won't in the future ...

Also football (even at the rip-off stadia like ours) is still a supporters game ... take away the fans and you will have no football whatever the bean-counters might think ....

Imagine the scenario when Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United all leave the EPL .... you can 100% guarantee that New Arsenal, New Chelsea etc. will be formed overnight ..... the clubs that quit will be universally despised by all the clubs they leave behind .... and rightly so ...

The whole idea of a European Super League is repugnant to every club outside the selected few ... and it should be repugnant to every football fan .... the idea of course is for the big 5 UK clubs to take 90% of all football revenue in effect 'stealing' it from the other 87 clubs, most of which won't survive .... that shouldn't and can't be allowed to happen ....

Even though we are in the 'Big 5' every true Arsenal football fan should treat this idea as the con-job it clearly is ....

The USA has it's closed shop sports and good luck to them .... it also provides zero grass routes participation, and zero access beyond a TV set for 99% of the population .... that is not and never should be the format for the global game .... trying to apply US principles to a non-US sport is just about the money .... the crooks at UEFA and FIFA are lining up at the trough .... let's hope the fans are way to smart to let it happen ......
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Re: Potential European Super League

Postby Nuggets » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:10 am

European Super League lol well WTF would we be in it we are sh1te in Europe lol
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Re: Potential European Super League

Postby Cripps » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:14 am

No thanks.

At least with the prem we won't be bottom any time soon. In this? First season we finish last
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Re: Potential European Super League

Postby Royal Gooner » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:16 am

Not this again, its been doing the rounds for 20 years and no-one ever took it seriously.

Besides, most fans can't afford to go across the continent every fortnight to follow their team.
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Re: Potential European Super League

Postby GoonerAlexandre » Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:01 am

Royal Gooner wrote:
Besides, most fans can't afford to go across the continent every fortnight to follow their team.

Biggest reason why this won't work. I seriously doubt any fan will regularly go to away matches to creepy places like Germany, the gang mafia country that is Italy and the snail eating France
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Re: Potential European Super League

Postby GoonerAlexandre » Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:02 am

Nuggets wrote:European Super League lol well WTF would we be in it we are sh1te in Europe lol

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Re: Potential European Super League

Postby Schlandi » Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:38 pm

If Catalonia becomes independent I can see Barca and some Spanish clubs like Real or Atletico pushing this shitty idea but personally I think that would kill football even more for the normal fans and would end up in even more crappy "franchise/plastic" clubs.
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Re: Potential European Super League

Postby ftt » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:04 pm

lol anglo protectionists having it by revenues... and lol just lol @ 'big clubs'. the way they get money is hype. then they get the money, invest and either keep hyping to stay 'big' or fall into trouble and either disappear or beg for some asian money. key thing is, theg need to feel the danger of getting rekt. (almost) guaranteed spots cause you think you're 'big' is attrocious and discriminatory. tfu
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Re: Potential European Super League

Postby Jedi » Sun Apr 18, 2021 3:37 pm

A bombshell just dropped:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/18/spor ... 0p19G=2103

Apparently everyone in the PL "big six", Arsenal included, have "agreed in principle" with Barca, Real, Atletico, Juve, Inter and Milan to create a superleague and an announcement could be coming "as early as Sunday".

There's also been a joint statement from UEFA, English, Spanish and Italian FAs and leagues that they want to block the project.
But UEFA also was taking the threat seriously. Its leaders spent the weekend in discussions about its options to block the plan, including potentially banning the breakaway teams from domestic leagues and their players from competing for their national teams in events like the World Cup. And it reminded the breakaway clubs (and, effectively, their players) that FIFA and its six regional confederations already had made a similar threat.

“We will consider all measures available to us, at all levels, both judicial and sporting in order to prevent this happening,” the UEFA statement said. “Football is based on open competitions and sporting merit; it cannot be any other way.”


I don't know how to feel about this to be honest... This would help Arsenal tremendously with bouncing back financially but at what cost?
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Re: Potential European Super League

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:03 pm

Of course we're eager to create a breakaway league, we don't satisfy the minimum requirements to be in the current one. We're 9th in the table. Under current management and executive structure, we won't make Top 4 for a long time to come.

That said, FA and UEFA have all the leverage. The clubs will abandon this if FA tells them they won't receive a single penny of TV money, or PL revenue in general. Or if UEFA tells them they're out of all Euro tournaments forever.
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Re: Potential European Super League

Postby Jedi » Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:09 pm

aniym wrote:That said, FA and UEFA have all the leverage. The clubs will abandon this if FA tells them they won't receive a single penny of TV money, or PL revenue in general. Or if UEFA tells them they're out of all Euro tournaments forever.

But it's a mutual relationship. The PL would create f**k all in revenue if they kicked out the big six. Foreign fans aren't gonna tune in to watch West Ham and Leicester compete for the title... Same goes for La Liga and Seria A.
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Re: Potential European Super League

Postby Phil71 » Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:46 pm

Not sure how I feel about it at the moment.

On the one hand it'd be terrific to see great teams playing each other every week (every other day probably, but on the other it would be the death of the Premier League and domestic football as a whole.

How would it work in terms of structure? I'm guessing there would be groups and play offs.

Who would.be in it? What would be the fairest way to judge that?

Maybe the fairest way would be to get the top six league clubs of all time in each country.

In England that would be (in order)

Liverpool
Arsenal
Everton
Man Utd
Aston Villa
Man City

Or maybe Premier League all time top six?

Man Utd
Arsenal
Chelsea
Liverpool
Tottenham
Everton
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Re: Potential European Super League

Postby Power n Glory » Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:56 pm

Death of the Champs League? No way would tge FA cripple the Premier League to stand by UEFA.
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Re: Potential European Super League

Postby Santi » Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:57 pm

Pathetic idea and hope it dies
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