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Re: Backroom Overhaul

Postby starmandb » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:12 am

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EliteKiller wrote:Proving my point nicely ... head up arse ... no club is to big to fail us included, to believe otherwise is arrogant stupidity.

We were CL challengers two decades ago, EPL challengers a decade ago ... where are we now? Struggling for fourth and playing Thursday night football. You snooze you lose, we need to wake up.

As for 'decide the direction the European game needs to go in' we are abject failures in Europe, just two trophies in our history. Spurs, Villa, Forest, West Ham, Newcastle and yes Leeds all have as many or more European Trophies. We need to compete with the big clubs in the big pond, not just win a bunch of domestic trophies ... that requires our club to have a footballing ethos from the top to the bottom, which is why a proper backroom overhaul is long overdue.

You can sit happily staring at your navel saying 'we're to big to fail' many have done that before, it never ends well.

How is it head up arse?? Its never going to happen EK. We have too much money and too many fans for something like that to happen to us. We are not susceptible to changing market forces like tech or retail firms. We don't have to worry about the economy, we have been through numerous economic dips and come out the other side just fine. Our history of spending only what we make makes us one of the most financially stable clubs on earth.

We have NEVER been relegated, why would you think it would happen now?? Hence why I say we will never collapse like Leeds or Portsmouth et al, we are on an entirely different level to those clubs and have been for all of our football life.

We were relegated to the 4th division in 1913
We could end up like mighty portsmouth
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Re: Backroom Overhaul

Postby EliteKiller » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:27 am

theHotHead wrote:How is it head up arse?? Its never going to happen EK. We have too much money and too many fans for something like that to happen to us. We are not susceptible to changing market forces like tech or retail firms. We don't have to worry about the economy, we have been through numerous economic dips and come out the other side just fine. Our history of spending only what we make makes us one of the most financially stable clubs on earth.

We have NEVER been relegated, why would you think it would happen now?? Hence why I say we will never collapse like Leeds or Portsmouth et al, we are on an entirely different level to those clubs and have been for all of our football life.


Wow .... how far up your own arse is your head? can you see your brain?

We have been relegated ... we had to bribe our way back into the top tier ... awkward facts I know but facts none the less ....

"we are on an entirely different level to those clubs and have been for all of our football life" - so from 1973 - 1988 when we were a mid-table side with just one top 3 finish, behind the likes of Forest, Villa, Leeds, Derby and Portsmouth ... and in 74-76 when we were fighting relegation ... were we at a different level then? ... again these are annoying facts, but they are facts ...

Sure from '98 -'05 we were never out of the top two, but then from '06 - '15 we were top four trophy material 3rd or 4th every season, and of course for the last two years not even top four .... yet you are so arrogant you deny the anything is wrong .... as I said head up arse ...

As for finance? We were once the second richest club in the EPL, then the 3rd, then 4th, now down to 5th, and quite probably dropping to 6th below Spurs next season ... that's not financial stability that's a clear downward trend ... even a 1st year economics major can see that. To say we don't have to worry about the economy, when we have clearly failed to keep pace with our rivals for many years, that just makes you look a fool. We had the 'golden years' with the advantage of a 60,000 stadium whilst our rivals had 36,000 those days are now gone, we should be worried.

Make no mistake as a club we've been going slowly backwards for a decade, now is not the time to bury our heads in the sand, we need strong leadership and we need it fast, we are a massive club and we should be top four, but to believe 'we can't do a Leeds' that's not only arrogant it's tempting fate in a very big way ....
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Re: Backroom Overhaul

Postby theHotHead » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:07 am

Dude, thats Spurs talk about bribing people, fact is we were NOT relegated, as Woolwich Arsenal we were but not since 1919 when we became Arsenal, couldn't care less what anyone says, the record books show us as never being relegated.

We won trophies before Leeds and before Portsmouth and have stayed ahead of them in the trophy charts for our entire history, so again I repeat, we have always been on another level to both of those clubs. Every club has peaks and troughs, but even in our lowest periods neither Leeds or Portsmouth came close to matching our level of success.

Leeds won their first major trophy in the 60s!!
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Re: Backroom Overhaul

Postby EliteKiller » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:52 pm

theHotHead wrote:Dude, thats Spurs talk about bribing people, fact is we were NOT relegated, as Woolwich Arsenal we were but not since 1919 when we became Arsenal, couldn't care less what anyone says, the record books show us as never being relegated.

We won trophies before Leeds and before Portsmouth and have stayed ahead of them in the trophy charts for our entire history, so again I repeat, we have always been on another level to both of those clubs. Every club has peaks and troughs, but even in our lowest periods neither Leeds or Portsmouth came close to matching our level of success.

Leeds won their first major trophy in the 60s!!


If you're going to change the goalposts every time you are shown to be talking utter crap ... why bother posting at all?
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Re: Backroom Overhaul

Postby starmandb » Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:56 pm

EliteKiller wrote:
theHotHead wrote:How is it head up arse?? Its never going to happen EK. We have too much money and too many fans for something like that to happen to us. We are not susceptible to changing market forces like tech or retail firms. We don't have to worry about the economy, we have been through numerous economic dips and come out the other side just fine. Our history of spending only what we make makes us one of the most financially stable clubs on earth.

We have NEVER been relegated, why would you think it would happen now?? Hence why I say we will never collapse like Leeds or Portsmouth et al, we are on an entirely different level to those clubs and have been for all of our football life.


Wow .... how far up your own arse is your head? can you see your brain?

We have been relegated ... we had to bribe our way back into the top tier ... awkward facts I know but facts none the less ....

"we are on an entirely different level to those clubs and have been for all of our football life" - so from 1973 - 1988 when we were a mid-table side with just one top 3 finish, behind the likes of Forest, Villa, Leeds, Derby and Portsmouth ... and in 74-76 when we were fighting relegation ... were we at a different level then? ... again these are annoying facts, but they are facts ...

Sure from '98 -'05 we were never out of the top two, but then from '06 - '15 we were top four trophy material 3rd or 4th every season, and of course for the last two years not even top four .... yet you are so arrogant you deny the anything is wrong .... as I said head up arse ...

As for finance? We were once the second richest club in the EPL, then the 3rd, then 4th, now down to 5th, and quite probably dropping to 6th below Spurs next season ... that's not financial stability that's a clear downward trend ... even a 1st year economics major can see that. To say we don't have to worry about the economy, when we have clearly failed to keep pace with our rivals for many years, that just makes you look a fool. We had the 'golden years' with the advantage of a 60,000 stadium whilst our rivals had 36,000 those days are now gone, we should be worried.

Make no mistake as a club we've been going slowly backwards for a decade, now is not the time to bury our heads in the sand, we need strong leadership and we need it fast, we are a massive club and we should be top four, but to believe 'we can't do a Leeds' that's not only arrogant it's tempting fate in a very big way ....

Portsmouth are historically a 2nd tier club
From 62/63 to 75/76 they were in division 2
76/77 to 77/78 they were in division 3
78/79 to 79/80 division 4
80/81 to 82/83 div3
83/84 to 86/87 div 2
87/88 div 1 relegated Arsenal finished 6th
Won the home game 6-0 Adams Davis rocastle smith hat trick
1-1 away smith scored
Portsmouth didn't come back up to the top flight for another 15 years after that
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Re: Backroom Overhaul

Postby EliteKiller » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:53 am

starmandb wrote:Portsmouth are historically a 2nd tier club
From 62/63 to 75/76 they were in division 2
76/77 to 77/78 they were in division 3
78/79 to 79/80 division 4
80/81 to 82/83 div3
83/84 to 86/87 div 2
87/88 div 1 relegated Arsenal finished 6th
Won the home game 6-0 Adams Davis rocastle smith hat trick
1-1 away smith scored
Portsmouth didn't come back up to the top flight for another 15 years after that


What the feck?

Who cares about Portsmouth, the point being made to the kindergarten kid was that even The Arsenal are not to big to fail ... Leeds, Portsmouth, Forest etc. were just top of the head examples of clubs who also believed they were too big to fail and yet they still somehow did ...

To not accept that our club has been going backwards for a decade is foolish indeed ... to keep repeating the same mistakes is stupidity of the highest order, to not even recognise those mistakes? well that's just suicidal.
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Re: Backroom Overhaul

Postby starmandb » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:38 am

EliteKiller wrote:
starmandb wrote:Portsmouth are historically a 2nd tier club
From 62/63 to 75/76 they were in division 2
76/77 to 77/78 they were in division 3
78/79 to 79/80 division 4
80/81 to 82/83 div3
83/84 to 86/87 div 2
87/88 div 1 relegated Arsenal finished 6th
Won the home game 6-0 Adams Davis rocastle smith hat trick
1-1 away smith scored
Portsmouth didn't come back up to the top flight for another 15 years after that


What the feck?

Who cares about Portsmouth, the point being made to the kindergarten kid was that even The Arsenal are not to big to fail ... Leeds, Portsmouth, Forest etc. were just top of the head examples of clubs who also believed they were too big to fail and yet they still somehow did ...

To not accept that our club has been going backwards for a decade is foolish indeed ... to keep repeating the same mistakes is stupidity of the highest order, to not even recognise those mistakes? well that's just suicidal.

We were never behind the likes of Portsmouth
Words matter
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Which anybody can do
When you make an mistake
It is not the end of the world if you admit it
It saves an awful lot of bollocks on a site where everybody wants the same thing
The best for Arsenal
I want absolutely everybody believing everything is possible for this great club
It's a message that needs banging home to everybody associated with the club
Lots of the clubs you mentioned had a moment in the sun
While complacency is to be avoided at all costs
Comparing us to these is not a mentality that can be fostered without censure
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Re: Backroom Overhaul

Postby theHotHead » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:27 pm

EliteKiller wrote:
theHotHead wrote:Dude, thats Spurs talk about bribing people, fact is we were NOT relegated, as Woolwich Arsenal we were but not since 1919 when we became Arsenal, couldn't care less what anyone says, the record books show us as never being relegated.

We won trophies before Leeds and before Portsmouth and have stayed ahead of them in the trophy charts for our entire history, so again I repeat, we have always been on another level to both of those clubs. Every club has peaks and troughs, but even in our lowest periods neither Leeds or Portsmouth came close to matching our level of success.

Leeds won their first major trophy in the 60s!!


If you're going to change the goalposts every time you are shown to be talking utter crap ... why bother posting at all?

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Change what goalposts EK??? All I did was, again, highlight the difference between Arsenal, Leeds an Portsmouth, which IS the argument. You just don't like it because ot demolishes your point. You cannot compare Arsenal to Portsmouth or Leeds, we have ALWAYS been on another level compared to them. At no point have they been looking down on us from above. They have never won more than us.
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Re: Backroom Overhaul

Postby theHotHead » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:36 pm

starmandb wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
starmandb wrote:Portsmouth are historically a 2nd tier club
From 62/63 to 75/76 they were in division 2
76/77 to 77/78 they were in division 3
78/79 to 79/80 division 4
80/81 to 82/83 div3
83/84 to 86/87 div 2
87/88 div 1 relegated Arsenal finished 6th
Won the home game 6-0 Adams Davis rocastle smith hat trick
1-1 away smith scored
Portsmouth didn't come back up to the top flight for another 15 years after that


What the feck?

Who cares about Portsmouth, the point being made to the kindergarten kid was that even The Arsenal are not to big to fail ... Leeds, Portsmouth, Forest etc. were just top of the head examples of clubs who also believed they were too big to fail and yet they still somehow did ...

To not accept that our club has been going backwards for a decade is foolish indeed ... to keep repeating the same mistakes is stupidity of the highest order, to not even recognise those mistakes? well that's just suicidal.

We were never behind the likes of Portsmouth
Words matter
When used wrongly
Which anybody can do
When you make an mistake
It is not the end of the world if you admit it
It saves an awful lot of bollocks on a site where everybody wants the same thing
The best for Arsenal
I want absolutely everybody believing everything is possible for this great club
It's a message that needs banging home to everybody associated with the club
Lots of the clubs you mentioned had a moment in the sun
While complacency is to be avoided at all costs
Comparing us to these is not a mentality that can be fostered without censure

I don't actually need to add anything to this but I will.

You CANNOT compare Arsenal to Portsmouth or Leeds and not even Notts Forest that had far more success in European football than we did, but we had far more domestically.

When it mattered, when money became the be-all and end-all in football Forest were relegated and have not managed to get back into the Prem and stay there, leading to them losing their place at the top table. They are a has-been club. Other decent clubs that have fallen by in similar fashion are Coventry, Sheffield Wednesday and Aston Villa, once giants of the game.

It won't happen to Arsenal, we are too powerful in an era dominated by money.
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Re: Backroom Overhaul

Postby Ach » Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:53 pm

Steve Morrow will be among the senior Arsenal recruitment team but the club are still seeking to outsource for a sporting director, according to The Mirror.

The 48-year-old will link up with Francis Cagigao as part of a three-man team to lead the search for new signings.

Having been turned down by Monchi, who re-joined former club Sevilla after leaving Roma, the club are still seeking for a sporting director.
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Re: Backroom Overhaul

Postby EliteKiller » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:29 am

theHotHead wrote: Change what goalposts EK??? All I did was, again, highlight the difference between Arsenal, Leeds an Portsmouth, which IS the argument. You just don't like it because ot demolishes your point. You cannot compare Arsenal to Portsmouth or Leeds, we have ALWAYS been on another level compared to them. At no point have they been looking down on us from above. They have never won more than us.


Go look at European Trophies won and then try that 'haven't won more than us' again ... there's no question we were very successful in the past, but the day the season ends that all becomes just glorious history.

The point isn't that teams were ever 'looking down on us' ... although through the 70's even with our double win we still only averaged 8th place, so there were seven teams looking down on us for an entire decade ... but as I say that wasn't the point

The point was that it's arrogant to just assume that Arsenal cannot fail ... the same arrogance that has seen many sides drop down from exalted positions in the past ... pick any names you want I just used three clubs that everyone knows ...

Right now any commentator would have us ranked behind City, Utd, and Liverpool and many behind Spuds and Chelsea as well ... that's reality and it's stupid to pretend it isn't. For a decade we lost our way we need to find it again, that's all I'm saying.
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Re: Backroom Overhaul

Postby starmandb » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:23 am

EliteKiller wrote:
theHotHead wrote: Change what goalposts EK??? All I did was, again, highlight the difference between Arsenal, Leeds an Portsmouth, which IS the argument. You just don't like it because ot demolishes your point. You cannot compare Arsenal to Portsmouth or Leeds, we have ALWAYS been on another level compared to them. At no point have they been looking down on us from above. They have never won more than us.


Go look at European Trophies won and then try that 'haven't won more than us' again ... there's no question we were very successful in the past, but the day the season ends that all becomes just glorious history.

The point isn't that teams were ever 'looking down on us' ... although through the 70's even with our double win we still only averaged 8th place, so there were seven teams looking down on us for an entire decade ... but as I say that wasn't the point

The point was that it's arrogant to just assume that Arsenal cannot fail ... the same arrogance that has seen many sides drop down from exalted positions in the past ... pick any names you want I just used three clubs that everyone knows ...

Right now any commentator would have us ranked behind City, Utd, and Liverpool and many behind Spuds and Chelsea as well ... that's reality and it's stupid to pretend it isn't. For a decade we lost our way we need to find it again, that's all I'm saying.

Man Utd average position in the 70,s was 11th, a decade that saw them relegated
Nobody is being complacent
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Re: Backroom Overhaul

Postby theHotHead » Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:01 am

EK - I see you choose to use "selective reading"!! In my post next to the one I wrote they have never won more than us I clearly stated Forest won more than us in Europe, that is not even a discussion, they obliterated us, we are not worthy to even talk about Europe with Forest fans - let alone compare success.
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Re: Backroom Overhaul

Postby King of Highbury XIV » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:10 pm

theHotHead wrote:EK - I see you choose to use "selective reading"!! In my post next to the one I wrote they have never won more than us I clearly stated Forest won more than us in Europe, that is not even a discussion, they obliterated us, we are not worthy to even talk about Europe with Forest fans - let alone compare success.

Forest has 2 CL trophies, the Arsenal has 0. End of discussion.
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Re: Backroom Overhaul

Postby King of Highbury XIV » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:18 pm

Arsenal should look to Empoli in Serie A for their next transfer guru, Riccardo Pecini. When he was with Sampdoria, this dude brought Skriniar to Italy for 1M. After Skriniar was sold to Inter for 28M, he brought in his replacement, Joachim Andersen (one of the best young center backs in Italy) for 1.4M. Lucas Torreira was another player he gave a chance to for 3M and sold him to us for 30M. Also brought in Patrik Schick, who currently plies his trade for Roma, for 4M and sold him to Roma for 42M. Finally, let's not forget his brightest gem, Mauro Icardi best no. 9 in Europe.
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