Player Contracts

[Santi]

You're making it sound like all those players have a large re-sale value or actual use to the team?

Aside from 4 none are useful beyond their contracts, maybe even 3 cos by then Cazorla really will be finished. Aside from Ozil, Sanchez, Wilshere and Ox, none really have much value anyway, the latter 2 purely cos they're English.

I don't think we lose that much from this, it's the ones beyond 2018 which start to cause a problem.

I was doing a detailed write up in terms of market and resale values, but canceled it as I figured it'd be obvious.


Why are you not counting in the additional loss we're facing come 2018 with Walcott, Ramsey, Welbz & co entering the last year of their contracts?

You can not ignore the ~£50m loss we're facing just by letting them enter the last year of their contracts and risk knocking off up to 50% of their actual market values - that's without including the risk of losing some of them on a free a year later.

Because they won't get that far, they will be given new deals before then. If not Giroud would be 32 by 2018 and worth next to nothing anyway, Theo and Ramsey would go from 25m to probably 10-15m each. Again the rest I see next to no value in anyway, maybe 5m hit on Gabby P so total hit is between 30-50m but it's not like we'd be selling them all otherwise.

It's shit management but the hit is less than you're making out, some will be signed and some will run down. We will be left with some shit players and we will have to spend to replace the others but their quality shouldn't be hard to replace for less than their current value since half of overvalued anyway and the rest we've overspent in the first place.

Just need to be smarter in the market when we get rid of these shitters, Kolasinac on a free is a good example of replacing Gibbs/Monreal in a shrewd manner so their loss of value from the contract running down means nothing.

FWIW @ Gunpowder I completely agree, I was pissed off that summer and kept having to justify the amount we'd spent because it wasn't actually on improving the squad bar Alexis. We should've made sure Sagna stayed and potentially even Fabby. You can see my posts at the time and I completely agree but our problem then was the lack of spending on top of replacing those guys, we could afford to do both...particularly with ripping off Barca for TV5.

The main hit is Ozil and Sanchez both dropping from 70m players to 30-40m players, that's the big hit and the big f**k up.

[Angelito]

The saddest part is, we're already paying a good number of these stagnated players a salary no sane club would be willing to match, nevermind surpass.

Add to that the fact that it's really difficult to extend a contract without including a pay rise; we've basically awarded a good number of players for their stagnation with a contract extension and now we're paying the price for it.

Extend their contract - no clubs will come knocking and offer them a matched/improved salary.
Don't extend their contract - players are happy to run their contract and cash in before moving away and take a pay cut.

This is exactly why the best time to evaluate a player and decide whether you want to keep him when he has 2 years remaining on his contract.

Agents know there aren't many clubs out there that are easier to swindle than Arsenal football club.

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Precisely why this club is run poorly. We overpay mediocre players and find it tough to move them when they inevitably become surplus to requirements.

Some people mayn't rate the likes of Chamberlain, Wilshere, Gibbs, Campbell, etc. And that's fine. When they're under contract, however, those players will warrant a healthy transfer fee. As Gunpowder also said, it's not always about quality. If we allow contracts of these players to run down, we'd be spending a better part of our transfer kitty replacing them as opposed to adding quality to what we already have.

I can't understand how we let so many players come to the last year of their contracts without selling or tying them up to new deals. You can understand letting Jenkinson, Debuchy (Wenger doesn't use him either way), Sanogo, etc. run their contracts down. For other players, why would you do so? There's profit to be made off Wilshere, Chamberlain, and Gibbs (he's English).

We need someone to write about or explain the mentality of people who run Arsenal. The club is secretive. I'm not sure if that's the right term. Certainly, Arsenal has a strange method of functioning. At the end, I don't know what we want to be--a profit-generating entity or a well-run football club. It's all cloudy.

[CrimsonGunner11]

It would be unrealistic to let all the above players go and replace them with better players without spending a ton of money. Imo, we already have our second/third team pretty much sorted. Just demote most of the players and then rebuild the first team. This way will still be expensive but its better than having no depth. Just need to make some smart additions

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(Szczesny)
??? ----- ??? ----- ??? ----- ???
(Bellerin) (Mustafi) (Koscielny) (Monreal)
??? --- ???
(Coquelin) (Cazorla)
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(Ozil)
??? --- ??? --- Alexis
(Walcott) (Perez) (Iwobi)

Standby players: Martinez, Holding, Chambers, Gabriel, Gibbs, Elneny, Xhaka, Wilshere, Chamberlain, Welbeck, Giroud

*Players like Koscielny and Bellerin will probably still be starting but we need to start thinking about their replacements or competition

[Zenith]

The saddest part is, we're already paying a good number of these stagnated players a salary no sane club would be willing to match, nevermind surpass.

Add to that the fact that it's really difficult to extend a contract without including a pay rise; we've basically awarded a good number of players for their stagnation with a contract extension and now we're paying the price for it.

Extend their contract - no clubs will come knocking and offer them a matched/improved salary.
Don't extend their contract - players are happy to run their contract and cash in before moving away and take a pay cut.

This is exactly why the best time to evaluate a player and decide whether you want to keep him when he has 2 years remaining on his contract.

Agents know there aren't many clubs out there that are easier to swindle than Arsenal football club.

^

Precisely why this club is run poorly. We overpay mediocre players and find it tough to move them when they inevitably become surplus to requirements.

Some people mayn't rate the likes of Chamberlain, Wilshere, Gibbs, Campbell, etc. And that's fine. When they're under contract, however, those players will warrant a healthy transfer fee. As Gunpowder also said, it's not always about quality. If we allow contracts of these players to run down, we'd be spending a better part of our transfer kitty replacing them as opposed to adding quality to what we already have.

I can't understand how we let so many players come to the last year of their contracts without selling or tying them up to new deals. You can understand letting Jenkinson, Debuchy (Wenger doesn't use him either way), Sanogo, etc. run their contracts down. For other players, why would you do so? There's profit to be made off Wilshere, Chamberlain, and Gibbs (he's English).

We need someone to write about or explain the mentality of people who run Arsenal. The club is secretive. I'm not sure if that's the right term. Certainly, Arsenal has a strange method of functioning. At the end, I don't know what we want to be--a profit-generating entity or a well-run football club. It's all cloudy.

[Zenith]

Isn't it just typical how 3 out of world's 5 most valuable players with contracts expiring in 2018 are on Arsenal's books?

[Va-Va-Voom]

Isn't it just typical how 3 out of world's 5 most valuable players with contracts expiring in 2018 are on Arsenal's books?

Oh ffs.

So we're going to have to deal with a Ramsey saga next year after he kills it this season?

[ESR10]

Isn't it just typical how 3 out of world's 5 most valuable players with contracts expiring in 2018 are on Arsenal's books?

I can only think of Wenger saying, that we are a well managed club. Adding Oxlade, Gibbs, Wilshire, Szszesny, Campbell and others to this list makes it much worse.

[Zenith]

Isn't it just typical how 3 out of world's 5 most valuable players with contracts expiring in 2018 are on Arsenal's books?

Oh ffs.

So we're going to have to deal with a Ramsey saga next year after he kills it this season?

It's highly likely, indeed.

I can only think of Wenger saying, that we are a well managed club. Adding Oxlade, Gibbs, Wilshire, Szszesny, Campbell and others to this list makes it much worse.

Yes, as it stands we're on the verge of pissing away well over £100m on potential transfer money. Here's the updated list -

[Santi]

still don't see a single player outside of alexis, ozil and that t**t ramsey that is concerning on that list. Maybe Ox too as his value should still be decent given his age.

most will be sold or released anyway, like nacho, cech and giroud will be so old anyway.

joel will go this summer
gibbs is going to WBA for 10-12m which is his value anyway
jenkinson isn't worth more than 2m with a 10 year contract
debuchy isn't even a player anymore under wenger so just release
sicknote wilshere isn't gonna be undervalued because of his contract...it's because of his injuries.
merte is retiring
akpom sold already


so uve basically got welbeck and walcott to sign but even them most people want out anyway and aren't worth a whole lot.

[Zenith]

Allowing the chance for Alexis, Özil, Ox and Ramsey to run down their contracts means we're risking of losing over £130m in potential transfer money. Had Jenkinson, Campbell and Debuchy been sold at the right time that's another £10m, comfortably.

[Santi]

which is y those 4 are separated at the top of my post

not saying it isn't poor management but just don't give a shit about most of those players and just highlights how much crap we have on our books.

[CrimsonGunner11]

Wenger's reason for letting players run their contract into its final year:

on the 2018 World Cup giving Alexis motivation in the final year of his contract…

Yeah and because as well of his character. I will just remind you that he is not the only one in his position, we have [Mesut] Ozil as well – another big player who is in the same situation. We have [Alex] Oxlade-Chamberlain, [Kieran] Gibbs, [Jack] Wilshere, we have many. I personally warn you that you will see that situation more and more, it will become common. For one single reason is that the clubs, because the inflation rate is so high, the agent will speculate for very high wages when you start to negotiate two or three years before the end. And the clubs are not in a situation where they can afford to do it. I am convinced that you will see that more and more.

Source: https://www.arsenal.com/news/you-will-s ... e-and-more


Looks like we’d rather risk losing a key player for free, than pay the inflated wage demands in advance

[CrimsonGunner11]

Arsenal squad set for huge shake-up as plans for a busy summer begin with 10 players heading into June unsure of their future, including Alexis Sanchez, Mesut Ozil and Jack Wilshere

Arsenal are preparing for one of the biggest overhauls in Arsene Wenger's reign
Ten first team players will head into the summer with their futures uncertain
A host of players have already been lined up to replace those who will leave
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Arsenal are gearing up for one of the biggest squad overhauls in Arsene Wenger's 21-year reign.

The Gunners — led by newly appointed head of recruitment Sven Mislintat — have already started planning what will almost certainly be an extremely busy summer of incomings and outgoings.

As many as 10 first team players will head into the summer with their futures uncertain, and scouts are already working on their replacements.

Mislintat's knowledge of Germany, having worked with Borussia Dortmund prior to his arrival at Arsenal, has seen the club intensify their scouting resources in the Bundesliga.

Indeed, Sportsmail can reveal Mainz's Abdou Diallo and Wolfsburg's Ohis Felix Uduokhai are two central defenders already earmarked to replace club captain Per Mertesacker, who will join Arsenal's academy in a coaching capacity at the end of the season.

Nice midfielder Jean Michael Seri is also on the club's radar. Intriguingly, Barcelona failed with a £36million offer for the Ivory Coast international last summer in a swoop that was fronted by Raul Sanllehi - who has since joined Arsenal in the role of head of football relations.

Alexis Sanchez is almost certain to leave Arsenal in either next month's transfer window or on a free at the end of the season.

Arsenal, it is understood, are keen to offload Sanchez in January with sources claiming the Chilean is proving a disruptive figure off the field.

Manchester City and Paris Saint-Germain are both set to bid for Sanchez next month.

The Gunners are trying to prevent Mesut Ozil from running down his deal, but if the club fail to agree an extension the Germany star will also leave for nothing in the summer.

Lyon's Nabil Fekir, who has impressed Arsenal's French-based scout Gilles Grimandi, is a candidate to replace Ozil if he goes.

The club are trying to convince Danny Welbeck and Aaron Ramsey to sign new long-term deals in the coming months as they enter the final year of their respective contracts.

However, new deals for the pair are far from certain meaning the club could be forced to listen to offers in the summer to not risk losing the duo for nothing in 2019.

There are major fears over whether Santi Cazorla will ever play again — let alone for Arsenal — following his latest setback from an Achilles injury. The Spaniard's existing deal expires in the summer.

Jack Wilshere, who is keen to stay, has six months left on his current deal but hasn't even been formally approached about an extension leaving him free to leave in June.

There are also doubts over the long-term futures of Olivier Giroud and Theo Walcott, who are growing frustrated at their lack of regular first team opportunities.

Walcott is already on the radar of Everton and Southampton. Mathieu Debuchy is also set to leave the club in the next two transfer windows.

All that points to one of the most extensive recruitment drives in Wenger's reign.

Mislintat and Sanllehi, who will officially start work on February 1, were both appointed well in advance of the summer to ensure they could make early progress on the summer rebuilding job.

In his role as manager, Wenger is used to having the final decision on the club's transfer policy.

But while Wenger retains the role of boss, it remains to be seen whether his power is diluted due to the new administrative arrivals.

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... ke-up.html

[Va-Va-Voom]

Isn't it just typical how 3 out of world's 5 most valuable players with contracts expiring in 2018 are on Arsenal's books?

Oh ffs.

So we're going to have to deal with a Ramsey saga next year after he kills it this season?

Incoming

[Angelito]

More importantly, Welbeck to be offered a new long-term contract...