by jayramfootball » Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:22 pm
Özim wrote:jayramfootball wrote:Özim wrote:jayramfootball wrote:Özim wrote:Mustafi wrote:
It's official
Nketiah is one of his favourites, that’s why he won’t be sold.
No, it's more likely because he is 21 and has been one of best young strikers around up to the level just below 1st team football - and now is embarking on his PL effort to progress and try and make it in the game - with so far just 300 minutes under his belt.
It always amazes me how idiotic fans can be when it comes to players.
They seem to be either brilliant or terrible - depending on what happened in the last few weeks.
Not being funny but his stats at U21 are meaningless, they rarely translate to senior football, plenty of strikers score in the U21s and don’t cut it at the top level, wasn’t Jeffers the record scorer at one point and he was awful!
This guy lacks ability, he’s been very average for us missing some gilt edged chances and scoring 5 yard tap ins you can barely miss in most cases.
We should sell him.
Yeah, they do mean something.
When combined with his PL2 record, they mean at the level just below first-team football, very few were better than him.
So, like I said, he is now being tested to see if he can take that to a higher level and score goals in the first team.
So far he has 300 minutes in the PL.
If you think that is enough to judge a 21-year-old starting out in the first team, then you really don't have much of a clue.
Hi record is nothing to write home about, he’s done ok that’s it, as I said before how someone performs at a lower level rarely has any correlation to how the perform at the top level, more often then not they never reproduce.
He scored 5 goals in 19 games at Leeds at a lower level and Bielsa wasn’t impressed with him, I trust his judgment over Artetas.
He also has 4 goals in the PL in 33 games, granted some are sub appearances, but even then it’s a pretty poor return from a tap in merchant.
His record at the U21 level for England is the best ever.
His record in PL2 before he made the step up was fantastic (more than twice as good as Balogun's, btw).
His loan deal at Leeds was indeed problematic... He didn't get enough regular starts. However he still scored some important goals and the Leeds fans by and large rated him. he actually scored 5 goals in just 663 minutes play for them -
a goal every 132 minutes. Very good. Blame Bielsa for not playing him. That is why his loan was ended.
The 4 goals in 33 games at senior level for us is not a valid stat.
He has only played 1,000 minutes to get those 4 goals.
A goal every 250 minutes is actually pretty decent for a player getting the odd sub appearance from the ages of 17 to 21.
Also, 1st team, FA Cup, 2 goals in 300 minutes from a few minutes here and there from the ages of 17-21
League Cup 1st team, 3 goals in 232 minutes
Europa League 1st team, 3 goals in 580 minutes.
All in all his first-team contribution from the ages of 17-21 years old are 12 goals in 2,234 minutes of first-team football.
That's a goal every 186 minutes since he started getting the odd playing time here and there in our first team - extremely good for that time period of a young career. he is WAY ahead of what most strikers - even some of those that go on to become major stars - do between the ages of 17-21.
As I said - this year is actually his first full year in the Arsenal first-team squad and he has played 300 or so PL minutes. He's scored 5 goals in all comps so far - actually still decent in return given he has only played a total of 1000 minutes this year across all comps. Not enough to judge, yet, but keep in mind that kind of rate, if it can be maintained over a season, is a 20+ goal a season striker.
If you want to pretend that you know enough from this season's 300 minutes of PL action as a fully-fledged member of the 1st team squad, whilst also disregarding the fact he's scored 4 in 700 minutes in other competitions, that's up to you. In reality, you have no clue about how he'll turn out.
All of the above will be looked at by Arsenal - along with the players' attitude and work rate and their judgement of whether he can continue to improve. On balance, I think the club would make a sound choice in keeping the player unless a bid of 20+ million came in. Under that kind of offer, they'd have to weigh the value of the money now vs the chances of further progression. That would be a tough choice - especially with Aubameyang coming towards the end of his career and Laca approaching 30, along with Martinelli (a rare talent) looking injury prone.