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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby Angelito » Sat May 01, 2021 7:31 pm

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Define 'from midfield' though


Only Xhaka and Ødegaard have scored in the League this season amongst our midfielders.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby Arsenal Tone » Sat May 01, 2021 7:39 pm

Angelito wrote:
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Angelito wrote:Image

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Define 'from midfield' though


Only Xhaka and Ødegaard have scored in the League this season amongst our midfielders.
Saka is a midfielder. When he played LWB did that count as defence or midfield? Also, what do wingers count as? I just don't think modern formations are simple enough to compare. Technically we play 4-5-1 meaning pepe, saka and sometimes auba could count.
Raya/Ramsdale
White/Tomiyasu--Saliba/Timber--Gabriel/Kiwior--???/Zinchenko
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???/Havertz
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby Angelito » Sat May 01, 2021 7:46 pm

Tony Adams wrote:
Angelito wrote:
Tony Adams wrote:
Angelito wrote:Image

Credit u/thedarkpolitique
Define 'from midfield' though


Only Xhaka and Ødegaard have scored in the League this season amongst our midfielders.
Saka is a midfielder. When he played LWB did that count as defence or midfield? Also, what do wingers count as? I just don't think modern formations are simple enough to compare. Technically we play 4-5-1 meaning pepe, saka and sometimes auba could count.


Wingers count as forwards.

The only midfielders to have scored goals for us in the League are the two I mentioned.

If you want to amp up the stat based on technicality, Lacazette has scored when he played as a false 9. Auba might as well qualify as a LAM.

If that brings you solace, so be it.

We can count Martinelli, Lacazette, Auba, and Pepe as midfielders. Would defo show how we're overperforming. Willian too, I guess.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby theHotHead » Sat May 01, 2021 7:51 pm

Shocking really, but when you look at the shite we have been served are any of us really surprised
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby ag6789 » Sat May 01, 2021 9:48 pm

Yes, we have one of the worst midfield in PL. That's why we are hovering around no. 9-10th. midfield of Ceb, Ode, Xhak, Partey, Elneny isn't going to keep anyone up at night. In fact I think any opposition will feel relieved and grin happily when they find this list.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby Arsenal Tone » Sat May 01, 2021 11:43 pm

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Raya/Ramsdale
White/Tomiyasu--Saliba/Timber--Gabriel/Kiwior--???/Zinchenko
???/Jorginho
Odegaard/Smith Rowe----Rice/???
Saka/Jesus-------------------Martinelli/Trossard
???/Havertz
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby theHotHead » Sun May 02, 2021 10:52 am

Did anyone see the graphic on Match of the Day showing the number of Man City players that are on double figures for goals this season?!!! 6 players, its no wonder Pep is ok with losing Aguero.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby Arsenal Tone » Thu May 13, 2021 5:45 am

I like the idea of a back three with Gabriel lcb, saliba rcb and holding/Mari rotating in the middle.
Raya/Ramsdale
White/Tomiyasu--Saliba/Timber--Gabriel/Kiwior--???/Zinchenko
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby theHotHead » Fri May 14, 2021 2:00 pm

We have actually looked better with 3 at the back, DG has championed it for ages now. I don't know why Arteta changed from something that was working well to a system where we often look all over the shop and our defending is as loose as some old skettel's draws !!
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby thebigbangtheo » Sat May 15, 2021 2:31 pm

Tony Adams wrote:I like the idea of a back three with Gabriel lcb, saliba rcb and holding/Mari rotating in the middle.


I'm of the opinion that Arteta is a staunch advocate of playing the 4-3-3 system with a fall back switch to a 3-4-3 requiring only one change in personnel for those attritional games we're prepared to surrender possession in for a counter attacking approach.

The suggested arrangement of our centre backs I am in agreement with bar my preference for Mavropanos instead of Holding who in my opinion would rank as the fifth choice. Main reasons without an unnecessary diatribe of Pro's and Con's are good reading of play, pace and tenacity.

A 3@the back system with centre halfs having speed, power, mobility, aggression and physical presence with none less than 6'3" in height... that'll do!
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby swipe right » Wed May 19, 2021 11:29 pm

I liked that starting eleven against Palace except for El Nono. Upgrade at CM and potentially RB and we are sorted.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby DiamondGooner » Thu May 20, 2021 2:37 am

This boring 4-2-3-1 is killing us and its why we unravel when it matters.

We're scraping past lower league table teams, getting a draw or win then thinking we're on the up, but if you look at the performance you can see we're making all of these games hard work.

We need to come up with a proper system, we don't have the players for possession 4-2-3-1.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby Zenith » Fri May 21, 2021 4:55 pm

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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby theHotHead » Sun May 23, 2021 12:01 pm

I wonder what "lucky dip" formation and line up we are gonna get from Arteta today .... :rolleyes:
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby CrimsonGunner11 » Tue May 25, 2021 10:43 am

Reasons why keeping Aubameyang as first choice ST is a mistake:

1. We have Arteta in charge. His record shows to me that he tends to make poor decisions and does not know how to take advantage of opponents’ weaknesses. As long as Arteta and Aubameyang are here, Arteta will continue to play Aubameyang up top even if the game doesn’t call for it.

2. We don’t play a style that will bring out the best of Aubameyang. Backwards and sideways passing won’t work with Aubameyang up top. Lacazette is better suited to this style of play than Aubameyang is. We must change to a counter attacking style for Aubameyang playing the ST role to work but again we have Arteta in charge who isn’t flexible enough to see this.

3. Aubameyang is an awful captain IMO. Him keeping his spot in the first XI takes away the opportunity from someone who actually deserves to be captain. Again having Arteta in charge is a problem here. He clearly is someone who does not put much value in whoever is captain when he should. If we actually gave the captains armband to someone who deserves it, that player would see it as a license to actually call the shots on the pitch and would carry out the role much better than someone who was chosen by a manager who doesn’t truly understand what the captain’s armband means to a football club.
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White Saliba Gabriel Zinchenko
(Tomiyasu/Niles) (Timber/Holding) (Trusty/Kiwior) (Tierney/Tavares)
Odegaard(c) —- Rice
(Xhaka/Lokonga) —- (Partey/Elneny)
Havertz
(Jorginho/Vieira)
Saka Jesus Martinelli
(Pepe/Nelson) (Nketiah/Balogun) (Trossard/ESR)


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