Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Discuss anything Arsenal-related. Tune in to get the latest news, and discuss results, performances, tactics, etc.

Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby Ach » Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:14 pm

MNF showing a stat with odegaard, partey and xhaka midfield from January 21 to Dec 21 and Dec 21-now

Impressive improvement.
Ach
Poster of the Month
Poster of the Month
 
Posts: 36156
Joined: Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:25 pm

Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby Ach » Mon Mar 21, 2022 9:41 pm

Looks like still pictures of any football match
Ach
Poster of the Month
Poster of the Month
 
Posts: 36156
Joined: Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:25 pm

Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby thebigbangtheo » Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:23 pm

Maybe I'm over thinking things a bit here in us having survived Beeches Brook and clocking for the 10 furlongs to go marker, but no other London club is happier to be the fly in the ointment and absolutely relish landing an upper cut or three on the chins of Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham and West Ham, than Crystal Palace, no doubt about it.

Millwall may indeed remain the team of South London folklore with legendary men hewn from Granite and infamous, gruesome stories retold in hushed tones on Halloween, but The Eagles are in essence your new girlfriend's favourite auntie's Yorkshire terrier that's dry humping your leg as though his life depended on it while looking you straight in the eye as if to make sure you know exactly what time it is in him getting his before you get yours.

Yeah, that's pretty much sums up Crystal Palace on those occasions you fail to handle them with extreme caution and utmost respect.

My fear is Paddy having the way of it all in possessing both the chess smarts and enough dogs of war type players to flood the midfield and nullify the productivity and distribution from Odegaard and Lacazette, thus strangling the supply line to Saka, Martinelli and Smith-Rowe in blunting our attack.

Formation switch to 4-4-2 with ESR, Generation X, Tommy P and O8 strung across the middle with Martinelli and Saka starting upfront together?
thebigbangtheo
Thierry Henry
Thierry Henry
 
Posts: 1140
Joined: Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:04 pm

Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby Goonerred » Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:37 pm

thebigbangtheo wrote:Maybe I'm over thinking things a bit here in us having survived Beeches Brook and clocking for the 10 furlongs to go marker, but no other London club is happier to be the fly in the ointment and absolutely relish landing an upper cut or three on the chins of Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham and West Ham, than Crystal Palace, no doubt about it.

Millwall may indeed remain the team of South London folklore with legendary men hewn from Granite and infamous, gruesome stories retold in hushed tones on Halloween, but The Eagles are in essence your new girlfriend's favourite auntie's Yorkshire terrier that's dry humping your leg as though his life depended on it while looking you straight in the eye as if to make sure that you know exactly what time it is in him getting his before you get yours.

Yeah, that's pretty much sums up Crystal Palace on those occasions you fail to handle them with extreme caution and utmost respect.

My fear is Paddy having the way of it all in possessing both the chess smarts and enough dogs of war type players to flood the midfield and nullify the productivity and distribution from Odegaard and Lacazette, thus strangling the supply line to Saka, Martinelli and Smith-Rowe in blunting our attack.

Formation switch to 4-4-2 with ESR, Generation X, Tommy P and O8 strung across the middle with Martinelli and Saka starting upfront together?

Have you ever thought of taking up writing? Maybe you are a professional writer.
Goonerred
Predictions League 2021-22 Winner, Member of the Year 2022
Predictions League 2021-22 Winner, Member of the Year 2022
 
Posts: 7219
Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:26 pm

Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby Salibatelli » Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:29 pm

Vieira has done a great job with Palace, they outplayed us earlier in the season and we got away with a draw we didn’t deserve.

They do have a leaky defence and have a tendency to miss chances to put a game out of sight of the other team and often get punished for it.

Considering the player turnover last summer, he’s done very well indeed.
Salibatelli
Member of the Year 2023
Member of the Year 2023
 
Posts: 16928
Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:26 pm

Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby VCC » Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:52 pm

Goonerred wrote:
thebigbangtheo wrote:Maybe I'm over thinking things a bit here in us having survived Beeches Brook and clocking for the 10 furlongs to go marker, but no other London club is happier to be the fly in the ointment and absolutely relish landing an upper cut or three on the chins of Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham and West Ham, than Crystal Palace, no doubt about it.

Millwall may indeed remain the team of South London folklore with legendary men hewn from Granite and infamous, gruesome stories retold in hushed tones on Halloween, but The Eagles are in essence your new girlfriend's favourite auntie's Yorkshire terrier that's dry humping your leg as though his life depended on it while looking you straight in the eye as if to make sure that you know exactly what time it is in him getting his before you get yours.

Yeah, that's pretty much sums up Crystal Palace on those occasions you fail to handle them with extreme caution and utmost respect.

My fear is Paddy having the way of it all in possessing both the chess smarts and enough dogs of war type players to flood the midfield and nullify the productivity and distribution from Odegaard and Lacazette, thus strangling the supply line to Saka, Martinelli and Smith-Rowe in blunting our attack.

Formation switch to 4-4-2 with ESR, Generation X, Tommy P and O8 strung across the middle with Martinelli and Saka starting upfront together?

Have you ever thought of taking up writing? Maybe you are a professional writer.

Very good post and entertaining lol
User avatar
VCC
Arsène Wenger
Arsène Wenger
 
Posts: 15492
Joined: Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:04 am

Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby thebigbangtheo » Fri Mar 25, 2022 2:21 am

VCC wrote:
Goonerred wrote:
thebigbangtheo wrote:Maybe I'm over thinking things a bit here in us having survived Beeches Brook and clocking for the 10 furlongs to go marker, but no other London club is happier to be the fly in the ointment and absolutely relish landing an upper cut or three on the chins of Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham and West Ham, than Crystal Palace, no doubt about it.

Millwall may indeed remain the team of South London folklore with legendary men hewn from Granite and infamous, gruesome stories retold in hushed tones on Halloween, but The Eagles are in essence your new girlfriend's favourite auntie's Yorkshire terrier that's dry humping your leg as though his life depended on it while looking you straight in the eye as if to make sure that you know exactly what time it is in him getting his before you get yours.

Yeah, that's pretty much sums up Crystal Palace on those occasions you fail to handle them with extreme caution and utmost respect.

My fear is Paddy having the way of it all in possessing both the chess smarts and enough dogs of war type players to flood the midfield and nullify the productivity and distribution from Odegaard and Lacazette, thus strangling the supply line to Saka, Martinelli and Smith-Rowe in blunting our attack.

Formation switch to 4-4-2 with ESR, Generation X, Tommy P and O8 strung across the middle with Martinelli and Saka starting upfront together?

Have you ever thought of taking up writing? Maybe you are a professional writer.

Very good post and entertaining lol


Thanks and much appreciated from both, always glad to have put a laugh in the belly or smile on the face of fellow gooners. COYG
thebigbangtheo
Thierry Henry
Thierry Henry
 
Posts: 1140
Joined: Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:04 pm

Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby Arsenal Tone » Fri Mar 25, 2022 11:41 pm

^ reminds me of bunburyist from the old 606 forums. Always enjoy BBT'S posts
Raya/Ramsdale
White/Tomiyasu--Saliba/Timber--Gabriel/Kiwior--???/Zinchenko
???/Jorginho
Odegaard/Smith Rowe----Rice/???
Saka/Jesus-------------------Martinelli/Trossard
???/Havertz
User avatar
Arsenal Tone
SE13
SE13
 
Posts: 40783
Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:03 pm

Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby thebigbangtheo » Thu Apr 07, 2022 3:28 am

Ok. Unfortunately, my previously mentioned fear and concern regards Crystal Palace and their appetite for pissing on the chips of rival London teams has rung true and damn, we got properly dry humped on Monday night to the extent that every gunner across the globe ought to be limping now from a dead leg until the weekend.

In light of the situation now with the injuries to Tierney and Partey compounding that to Tomiyasu, do the enforced personnel changes also warrant a change in formation too in addressing the loss of these key components of our team, or do we keep faith that the incoming replacements have been to B&Q and bought wheelbarrows for their massive bollocks?

3-4-3 Formation:
Ramsdale; White, Holding, Magalhaes; Soares, Odegaard, Xhaka, Saka; Pepe, Martinelli, Smith-Rowe. Or alternatively,

4-3-3 Formation:
Ramsdale; Soares, White, Magalhaes, Tavares; Odegaard, Lokonga, Xhaka; Saka, Martinelli, Smith-Rowe. Or alternatively,

4-2-3-1 Formation:
Ramsdale; Soares, White, Magalhaes, Tavares; Lokonga, Xhaka; Saka, Odegaard, Smith-Rowe; Martinelli.

If it's deemed that Tavares is still suffering PTSD and unfit for duty, then I'd prefer to see Saka at left back/wing back over anyone else and thus bring Pepe into the right wing forward position.
thebigbangtheo
Thierry Henry
Thierry Henry
 
Posts: 1140
Joined: Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:04 pm

Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby VCC » Thu Apr 07, 2022 4:22 am

thebigbangtheo wrote:Ok. Unfortunately, my previously mentioned fear and concern regards Crystal Palace and their appetite for pissing on the chips of rival London teams has rung true and damn, we got properly dry humped on Monday night to the extent that every gunner across the globe ought to be limping now from a dead leg until the weekend.

In light of the situation now with the injuries to Tierney and Partey compounding that to Tomiyasu, do the enforced personnel changes also warrant a change in formation too in addressing the loss of these key components of our team, or do we keep faith that the incoming replacements have been to B&Q and bought wheelbarrows for their massive bollocks?

3-4-3 Formation:
Ramsdale; White, Holding, Magalhaes; Soares, Odegaard, Xhaka, Saka; Pepe, Martinelli, Smith-Rowe. Or alternatively,

4-3-3 Formation:
Ramsdale; Soares, White, Magalhaes, Tavares; Odegaard, Lokonga, Xhaka; Saka, Martinelli, Smith-Rowe. Or alternatively,

4-2-3-1 Formation:
Ramsdale; Soares, White, Magalhaes, Tavares; Lokonga, Xhaka; Saka, Odegaard, Smith-Rowe; Martinelli.

If it's deemed that Tavares is still suffering PTSD and unfit for duty, then I'd prefer to see Saka at left back/wing back over anyone else and thus bring Pepe into the right wing forward position.

Not one of those formations has Laca in them, Arteta is more likely to play myself up front than drop Laca unless he has passed on to the afterlife.
User avatar
VCC
Arsène Wenger
Arsène Wenger
 
Posts: 15492
Joined: Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:04 am

Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby theHotHead » Thu Apr 07, 2022 4:27 am

We definitely need to change the system, we cannot have the same gameplan with the team we now have.

This is where Arteta needs to show pragmatism and a knowledge of the game, or is he the one trick pony I believe him to be!!
User avatar
theHotHead
SE13
SE13
 
Posts: 20614
Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:44 am
Location: Norf Landon

Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby Arsenal Tone » Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:37 am

We play chelsea, spuds and utd. I want to see us revert to a back five for those games. It was so effective against top teams in arteta's early days.
Raya/Ramsdale
White/Tomiyasu--Saliba/Timber--Gabriel/Kiwior--???/Zinchenko
???/Jorginho
Odegaard/Smith Rowe----Rice/???
Saka/Jesus-------------------Martinelli/Trossard
???/Havertz
User avatar
Arsenal Tone
SE13
SE13
 
Posts: 40783
Joined: Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:03 pm

Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby EliteKiller » Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:11 am

Arsenal Tone wrote:We play chelsea, spuds and utd. I want to see us revert to a back five for those games. It was so effective against top teams in arteta's early days.


In all three of those games if we play a midfield with just two holding players we will be overrun, a back five is fine if you have the holding midfield two that can protect them, without Partey we don't have that. Thus you will always have an opposition player in the middle Ziyech, Kane, Fernandes with time and space to tee up attacking players - our back five will be cut to pieces, any defence would.

Similarly to the Palace game, and more notably Liverpool on four occasions, if you lose the midfield your defenders will all look like mugs, not because they've suddenly forgotten how to play, but because the attackers are that good given time and space.

We need to play 4-4-2, or even 5-3-2 and hope to score on the break, no shame in that.
EliteKiller
Tony Adams
Tony Adams
 
Posts: 5652
Joined: Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:48 pm

Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby KG3 » Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:18 am

EliteKiller wrote:
Arsenal Tone wrote:We play chelsea, spuds and utd. I want to see us revert to a back five for those games. It was so effective against top teams in arteta's early days.


In all three of those games if we play a midfield with just two holding players we will be overrun, a back five is fine if you have the holding midfield two that can protect them, without Partey we don't have that. Thus you will always have an opposition player in the middle Ziyech, Kane, Fernandes with time and space to tee up attacking players - our back five will be cut to pieces, any defence would.

Similarly to the Palace game, and more notably Liverpool on four occasions, if you lose the midfield your defenders will all look like mugs, not because they've suddenly forgotten how to play, but because the attackers are that good given time and space.

We need to play 4-4-2, or even 5-3-2 and hope to score on the break, no shame in that.


Yeah we can’t afford to try outplay teams with two average fullbacks and no Partey, we’ll get embarrassed just like the palace game
User avatar
KG3
Dennis Bergkamp
Dennis Bergkamp
 
Posts: 6066
Joined: Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:35 pm

Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby Fran Solo » Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:25 am

Play White as a right back, Holding and Magalhaes as CBs and Tavares as a left back.
White should play like Tomiyasu. Let Tavares run forward and the other three stay behind as a back three.
Tavares is a lot better at attacking than defending, so let him do what he is good at.
Xhaka and Lokonga play as double pivot because no one that we have can play as a single pivot like Partey.
Play Saka on the left and Smith Rowe on the right. It should be safer that way because they play on their stronger side.
Play Martinelli up front with Odegaard behind him.
User avatar
Fran Solo
Tony Adams
Tony Adams
 
Posts: 5193
Joined: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:10 pm
Location: Indonesia

PreviousNext

Return to Arsenal Talk

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Ahrefs [Bot], VCC and 73 guests
cron