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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby theHotHead » Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:18 pm

swipe right wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
swipe right wrote:
Auba
ESR - Ode - Saka
Xhaka - Partey


Probably our best starting lineup.

A lot like the old Wenger lineups. Packing the midfield with fast passing, technical, central midfielders like Cesc, Arshavin and Nasri.

Take Xhaka out of there , he has no place in any Arsenal "best starting lineup" ....... unless the entire midfield is injured.

He’s what we have right now mate. The only player who can play a through ball from midfield to the forwards. We need to replace him with a smarter, more mobile player. But until then....

What through balls ? He plays the same old balls, nothing clever, cute or disguised about them. Elneny is a better option next to Partey, he is more mobile, faster across the ground, more assured and less of a liability than Xhaka and when given license he has shown he can play forward balls too.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby theHotHead » Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:22 pm

swipe right wrote:You think this is a good option?

Auba
Martinelli - ESR - Saka
Ode - Partey

I like it although I feel bad for Laca, I think he should be playing, during that terrible spell he played like a captain, he played with heart, when he was played deeper he was like a player reborn. We should be tapping in to that new form he has, not dropping him like a stone.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby swipe right » Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:44 pm

Checkout Odegards passing range.
https://youtu.be/n4pUx0HlExo
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby theHotHead » Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:43 pm

swipe right wrote:Checkout Odegards passing range.
https://youtu.be/n4pUx0HlExo

He looks like a young Ozil in that video !!! Bloody hellfire !!
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby swipe right » Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:54 pm

theHotHead wrote:
swipe right wrote:Checkout Odegards passing range.
https://youtu.be/n4pUx0HlExo

He looks like a young Ozil in that video !!! Bloody hellfire !!

But he can play deeper. He doesn’t need the same amount of space as Ozil. He can play in tighter spaces. Real should be looking to turn him into the next Toni Kroos.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby Angelito » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:47 pm

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Came across this on Reddit. Credit u/indigock

50+ chances created in a season by a Gunner since 09/10. Prem only.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby Ach » Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:06 pm

Kdb wishes he was as good as prime ozil
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby theHotHead » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:47 am

Angelito wrote:Image

Came across this on Reddit. Credit u/indigock

50+ chances created in a season by a Gunner since 09/10. Prem only.

I am lost for words, that is incredible
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby Zenith » Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:22 am

Ach wrote:Kdb wishes he was as good as prime ozil

It's a close call. As good as 2015-16 Özil was, 2019-20 KDB edges Özil on foremost metrics per 90 minutes played.

Context: KDB played with more potent forwards whilst MÖ10 played all of his games in his preferred position. Both players' teams finished second. (Albeit under differing circumstances, which work both against and in favour of each player and balances out matters nicely.) E.g. 2019-20 City accumulated more points (81) than 2015-16 Arsenal (71). However, unlike Man City, Arsenal didn't face the same level of competition from the likes of Liverpool, United and Chelsea—all of whom had underwhelming seasons.


    Mesut Özil 2015-16 (PL)

    Starting position(s): CAM (100%)
    Minutes: 3048

    Chances created: 146 *
    Created per 90: 4.31 *

    Assisted: 19 *
    Assisted per 90: 0.56 *

    Scored: 6 *
    Scored per 90: 0.18 *
    Scored (open play): 6 *

    Team position: 2nd *


    Kevin De Bruyne 2019-20 (PL)

    Starting position(s): CM/other (60%), CAM (40%)
    Minutes: 2800

    Chances created: 136 *
    Chances per 90: 4.37 *

    Assisted: 20 *
    Assisted per 90: 0.64 *

    Scored: 13 *
    Scored per 90: 0.41 *
    Scored (open play): 8 *

    Team position: 2nd *


Green asterisk = Superior
Red asterisk = Inferior
Blue asterisk = Equal

Sources: Opta/Transfermarkt


Angelito wrote:Image

Came across this on Reddit. Credit u/indigock

50+ chances created in a season by a Gunner since 09/10. Prem only.

It's even 146 chances, accto Opta. :shocked:

One of the great ever performances from an attacking midfielder in the Premier League—especially his first half of the season could well be the best ever in terms of chances created. It's a real shame his drastic drop in creative output during the second half of the season coincided with Giroud going on one of the worst goalless runs of his career. :(

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Having said that, whilst Giroud's goalless run is one of the main reason we ended up losing the title to Leicester—and whilst it's a contributing factor—it's not the sole reason Özil's numbers dropped during the second part of the season.

Statsperform made an interesting breakdown regarding this: https://www.statsperform.com/resource/t ... d-arsenal/

When Özil's output dropped, we didn't see other players step up when the team needed it most. We were just too reliant on him and Alexis. :(
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby Arsenal Tone » Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:05 am

How do you define a 'chance created'. I mean if a striker decided to shoot every time he got the ball then whoever is the attacking player playing with him could technically create loads of 'chances' even though most of them are hit and hopes types that aren't real 'chances'.
Raya/Ramsdale
White/Tomiyasu--Saliba/Timber--Gabriel/Kiwior--???/Zinchenko
???/Jorginho
Odegaard/Smith Rowe----Rice/???
Saka/Jesus-------------------Martinelli/Trossard
???/Havertz
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby Arsenal Tone » Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:12 am

13/14 68 goals
14/15 71 goals
15/16 65 goals
16/17 77 goals
17/18 74 goals

We actually scored less goals too. Maybe he over-played and passed when he should have shot (e.g. our chance in midweek where i think it was odegaard through on goal and opted to pass to Auba who was in a worse position, still creating a chance though).
Raya/Ramsdale
White/Tomiyasu--Saliba/Timber--Gabriel/Kiwior--???/Zinchenko
???/Jorginho
Odegaard/Smith Rowe----Rice/???
Saka/Jesus-------------------Martinelli/Trossard
???/Havertz
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby theHotHead » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:10 pm

Tony Adams wrote:How do you define a 'chance created'. I mean if a striker decided to shoot every time he got the ball then whoever is the attacking player playing with him could technically create loads of 'chances' even though most of them are hit and hopes types that aren't real 'chances'.

Does it matter how it is defined?? The metric applies to everyone in exactly the same way, so if Ozil's number is high it means he was one of the best. Stop trying to denegrate everything that shows Ozil in a decent light for your agenda.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby DiamondGooner » Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:56 pm

theHotHead wrote:
Tony Adams wrote:How do you define a 'chance created'. I mean if a striker decided to shoot every time he got the ball then whoever is the attacking player playing with him could technically create loads of 'chances' even though most of them are hit and hopes types that aren't real 'chances'.

Does it matter how it is defined?? The metric applies to everyone in exactly the same way, so if Ozil's number is high it means he was one of the best. Stop trying to denegrate everything that shows Ozil in a decent light for your agenda.


Ozil plays for Fenerbache now, let it go.
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby Arsenal Tone » Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:13 pm

theHotHead wrote:
Tony Adams wrote:How do you define a 'chance created'. I mean if a striker decided to shoot every time he got the ball then whoever is the attacking player playing with him could technically create loads of 'chances' even though most of them are hit and hopes types that aren't real 'chances'.

Does it matter how it is defined?? The metric applies to everyone in exactly the same way, so if Ozil's number is high it means he was one of the best. Stop trying to denegrate everything that shows Ozil in a decent light for your agenda.
Its not ozil i have a problem with, its suggesting stats should be taken as some sort of 'proof' when you have to look at the bigger picture. The season ozil got those 'chances created' stats we scored less goals than in the seasons either side of that season (posts inserted in spoiler). I'd want to know why that was!

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Angelito wrote:Image

Came across this on Reddit. Credit u/indigock

50+ chances created in a season by a Gunner since 09/10. Prem only.




Tony Adams wrote:13/14 68 goals
14/15 71 goals
15/16 65 goals
16/17 77 goals
17/18 74 goals

We actually scored less goals too. Maybe he over-played and passed when he should have shot (e.g. our chance in midweek where i think it was odegaard through on goal and opted to pass to Auba who was in a worse position, still creating a chance though).
Raya/Ramsdale
White/Tomiyasu--Saliba/Timber--Gabriel/Kiwior--???/Zinchenko
???/Jorginho
Odegaard/Smith Rowe----Rice/???
Saka/Jesus-------------------Martinelli/Trossard
???/Havertz
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Re: Tactics, Formations, Analysis and Statistics

Postby Arsenal Tone » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:47 pm

Anyone else missing the five at the back formation?
Raya/Ramsdale
White/Tomiyasu--Saliba/Timber--Gabriel/Kiwior--???/Zinchenko
???/Jorginho
Odegaard/Smith Rowe----Rice/???
Saka/Jesus-------------------Martinelli/Trossard
???/Havertz
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