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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby Ach » Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:41 pm

Yup. Gabriel also looks more comfortable having an option to his left. Zinchenko experiment is done
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby ag6789 » Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:51 pm

With Kiwior, the left side seems more secure, but more attacks are taking place from right.
The attacks from the left are more often started by Rice's runs from deep followed by Martinelli taking over.
At times, even GabbyM is also found to make runs on left from deep. Total football ,I guess.
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby ag6789 » Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:41 pm

The absence of Zinchenko means Martinelli 's goals contribution suffers. He needs a overlapping full back to play one twos and get into scoring positions. He is unable to do so with Rice or Jorginho since they can't stay up w/ him and has to fall back quickly to stop counters. Also, w/ o Zinny , Martinelli is forced to fall back searching for balls on the left. Give and take ,I suppose.
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby theHotHead » Fri Mar 15, 2024 12:45 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:Has Kiwior playing and us blasting most teams put an end to Artetas long played "inverted FB"?

I know Kiwior and White can do both but they don't look like they're deliberately coming inside alongside our no6 like Zinchenko does.

I don't think we've missed out by not doing it tbh, we've probably played better not doing it I'd say?

I think White had played it at times but not as obviously as Zinchenko. As you say, we have not missed a thing by not having Zinchenko, offensively, but we have looked so much more secure defensively.
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby theHotHead » Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:08 pm

Interesting to see Pep has said he needs to find a way to stop Bellingham.

Contrary to what people think, Pep does analyse the strengths and weaknesses of opposing teams and adjusts his system/personnel accordingly.

This is why it irked me that Wenger never used to do the same amd Arteta looks like he is going down the same path of ignoring opposing team's strengths. Which is doubly annoying when you consider he nullified their strengths en route to winning the FA cup.
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby jayramfootball » Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:11 pm

theHotHead wrote:Interesting to see Pep has said he needs to find a way to stop Bellingham.

Contrary to what people think, Pep does analyse the strengths and weaknesses of opposing teams and adjusts his system/personnel accordingly.

This is why it irked me that Wenger never used to do the same amd Arteta looks like he is going down the same path of ignoring opposing team's strengths. Which is doubly annoying when you consider he nullified their strengths en route to winning the FA cup.



We've done pretty well at nullifying the opposition.
The chances we are conceding are very very low.
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby VCC » Sat Mar 16, 2024 7:59 pm

All arguments are moot.
Unless you propose Arteta to manage until death.
The arguement is not if Arteta is better than the last guy or better than yesterday,
It's about at what stage and at what point his job is no longer tenable.
Is that results/ possition
Is that results / trophies
Is that performance based
Or is that entertainment.
For me performance GOOD ENTERTAINMENT and results = possition
Here is the kicker if the possition becomes a mental hurdle then he has taken the side as far as he can.
For me after winning the one round of CL should he fail this season he gets one more season to convert performance to silverware
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby jayramfootball » Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:07 pm

VCC wrote:All arguments are moot.
Unless you propose Arteta to manage until death.
The arguement is not if Arteta is better than the last guy or better than yesterday,
It's about at what stage and at what point his job is no longer tenable.
Is that results/ possition
Is that results / trophies
Is that performance based
Or is that entertainment.
For me performance GOOD ENTERTAINMENT and results = possition
Here is the kicker if the possition becomes a mental hurdle then he has taken the side as far as he can.
For me after winning the one round of CL should he fail this season he gets one more season to convert performance to silverware


As long as we are strongly competing for top honours the manager is doing a good job and should be retained.
Fall away and not be at the races then the race is run.
Even then it should probably take a couple of seasons of not being at the races - Klopp being the evidence of that last year to this year.
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby Zenith » Sun Mar 31, 2024 6:59 pm

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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby ag6789 » Sun Mar 31, 2024 7:10 pm

Clearly we're at par w/ City and slightly ahead of 'Pool . The league positions don't show it so far, but those two clearly aren't confident against us anymore.
Pep's interview clarified it.
We would hard to beat if we wish to defend. City doesn't have the answers anymore.
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby ag6789 » Sun Mar 31, 2024 7:14 pm

As per this season, neither Pep nor Klopp has the acumen to overcome Arsenal anymore. At least not Mano a mano.
Future looks good right now.
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby Salibatelli » Sun Mar 31, 2024 7:29 pm

29% possession today.

City had their keeper missing, defenders missing and had a back 4 playing for the first time together and Ake got injured and still we created almost nothing.
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby ag6789 » Sun Mar 31, 2024 7:35 pm

Doesn't matter. They have a well drilled well endowed team for years now. Would probably have beaten anyone but Arsenal.
We did play a similar game under Wenger to stop Barca sometime back. Spot on tactically against a top team away from home.
Proved that even w/ o the ball we are equally adept in getting results. We're not a one trick pony.
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Mar 31, 2024 7:47 pm

ag6789 wrote:Doesn't matter. They have a well drilled well endowed team for years now. Would probably have beaten anyone but Arsenal.
We did play a similar game under Wenger to stop Barca sometime back. Spot on tactically against a top team away from home.
Proved that even w/ o the ball we are equally adept in getting results. We're not a one trick pony.


That was an Arteta masterclass - shut down Pep.
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby Marsbar100 » Sun Mar 31, 2024 7:49 pm

We parked the bus, probably would have got turned over if we went toe to toe.
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