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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:54 am

theHotHead wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
ag6789 wrote:So proves the point,this team doesn't need a traditional CF.


It does indeed.
Henry made the same point tonight.
All that matters is how many goals a team scores and how many they concede.
Having threats all over the pitch is more desirable than having a couple of threats and a guy who scores a lot.
Look at Bayern and Kane - They have barely scored more than Leverkusen and are 10 points behind. Leverkusen's top scorer has 10 goals.

Lol no it doesn't!!!

Who have we played?? If it works against decent teams then I will be inclined to agree but until then its no it doesn't


Liverpool, West Ham away and Newcastle recently amongst others.
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Ag is obviously right.
We are the top scorers in the entire league.
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby theHotHead » Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:42 am

No - the post ag is refgerring to referneced the last 6 consecutive halves of football. But that does indeed include the Newcastle game.

Its still not proof though because the argument for a CF is for a plan B and for one that is more clinical than what we have. Beating teams who are shit or out of form isn't proof of anything.
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby theHotHead » Tue Mar 05, 2024 9:44 am

Thoughts on this, our incredible run coincides with Jorginho playing alongside Rice and Havertz playing up top in the middle. Which of the 2 changes has been most responsible for our performances ?
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby theHotHead » Tue Mar 05, 2024 12:59 pm

Did anyone see Thierry Henry's discussion about formations/tactics after yesterday's game ?! Very interesting and I'm so glad they had it. For those that didn't see it on Sky, he was talking about who he thought the top managers were and 2 of them play with 2 up top (Inzaghi and I forgot the name of the other manager).

He himself said he makes the France U21s play with 2 up top, its bucking the trend we are seeing with 3 up top but ultimately he said its down to the type of players you have that should determine the system you play - which again I thought was very interesting becsause thats how I see it too, not that you have a formation and you buy players to suit it.
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby VCC » Tue Mar 05, 2024 6:21 pm

theHotHead wrote:Thoughts on this, our incredible run coincides with Jorginho playing alongside Rice and Havertz playing up top in the middle. Which of the 2 changes has been most responsible for our performances ?

Add kiwior

Now to answer your question it's a mixture but ultimately having Havertz playing higher than Jesus does when he plays adds support to Nellie who's form has come back because he now has a striker to play into and a defender behind that is not elsewhere on the field like zinny.
Having jorgy makes a more solid mid and gives it more creativity with jorgy passing ability and being able to move Rice forward rotating the ball in more forward possitions and getting into areas to shoot.
So for me it's having a more traditional left side the introduction of a more forward operating cf that happened to be Havertz.
The outcome is a very solid defensive side with good passing ability from deep, and a better balanced attack
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Mar 05, 2024 8:34 pm

theHotHead wrote:Thoughts on this, our incredible run coincides with Jorginho playing alongside Rice and Havertz playing up top in the middle. Which of the 2 changes has been most responsible for our performances ?



Our run started with the 5-0 win vs Palace

Palace game 5-0 - Jorginho was a late sub and Havertz played in midfield. Jesus up top
Forest game - 2-1 Jorginho late sub , Havertz late sub
Liverpool 3-1 Jorginho starts , Havertz at 9
West Ham 6-0 Jorginho didn't play, Havertz started in midfield and interchanged with Trossard who was the 9
Burnley 5-0 Jorginho didn't play, Havertz started in midfield and interchanged with Trossard who was the 9
Newcastle 4-0 Jorginho started , Havertz in the 9
Sheff Utd 6-0 Jorginho started , Havertz in the 9

Of the 7 games Jorginho started 3, Havertz started in midfield in 3 and as the 9 in 3.

In truth our system is a very fluid one with players interchanging all over the pitch
The run started with 2 wins in which Jesus was the forward and Havertz was in midfield

Recency bias colours a lot of judgement.
Truth is the manager just has the team well drilled and the movement of the players is world class right now - we're the best attacking team in the league and the best defensive team in the league. The balance I talked about earlier in the season is just ramping up now to a higher level - still balanced, but elite level.
Great to watch
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby theHotHead » Wed Mar 06, 2024 10:16 am

Thought Jorginho had played with Rice more, that surprises me.
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby Santi » Wed Mar 06, 2024 12:42 pm

Jorgi is usually mikels weapon for the big games, to take control of the midfield better. We saw it against Liverpool and Newcastle recently, he also blitzed Newcastle last season with the same tactic.

However, he’s been playing so well and the team is so balanced it has made sense to keep him in there. As Jay said though, it’s great that we’re finally able to switch things up so successfully, remember Mikel sliding Trossard in (seemingly randomly) vs Burnley but he and Havertz clicked really well in that game.

Exactly what we need to beat this monster pep created.
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby TedLasso » Sun Mar 10, 2024 1:21 pm

Arsenal are allowing 2.3 shots on target per match this season. The all time record is Manchester City's 2019 squad that allowed just 2.1 shots on target per match.

This has masked the fact that Arsenal's keepers have the 16th best save percentage in the league...
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby jayramfootball » Sun Mar 10, 2024 1:25 pm

TedLasso wrote:Arsenal are allowing 2.3 shots on target per match this season. The all time record is Manchester City's 2019 squad that allowed just 2.1 shots on target per match.

This has masked the fact that Arsenal's keepers have the 16th best save percentage in the league...


I think the save percentage is not a surprise. Raya is not the best shot stopper at all, but he has been offering a LOT in terms of distribution and sweeping.
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby Zenith » Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:22 pm

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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby Salibatelli » Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:30 pm

It’s a great stat and record, I’m a way though statistically we’re due a miss or two.

We don’t really want another penalty shootout.
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby KG3 » Thu Mar 14, 2024 3:42 am

Zenith wrote:


Still don’t like Saka being first choice penalty taker Odegaard , Havertz, Trossard, Jorginho have far better techniques.

I know he has scored every pen so far but Sakas pens are very saveable if the keeper dives in the right direction.
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby theHotHead » Thu Mar 14, 2024 9:58 am

I think the pace on his penalties mean even if you dive the right way you won't stop it.
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Re: Formations, Tactics, Analysis, and Statistics

Postby DiamondGooner » Thu Mar 14, 2024 8:38 pm

Has Kiwior playing and us blasting most teams put an end to Artetas long played "inverted FB"?

I know Kiwior and White can do both but they don't look like they're deliberately coming inside alongside our no6 like Zinchenko does.

I don't think we've missed out by not doing it tbh, we've probably played better not doing it I'd say?
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