The Kroenke Problem

Arsenal news and interviews
Discuss anything Arsenal related, players, tactics etc.

Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby jayramfootball » Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:02 pm

yadunoe wrote:Been saying sins before wenger got fired that kroenke was the problem


..you've therefore been wrong for years.
Kroneke didn't decide on which players to bring in.
Kroenke didn't make the players make basic errors week after week.
Kroenke didn't pick Wenger's team.
Kroenke didn't make our defence one the worst around - and a laughing stock.

The problem has been really quite simple.
A decade of bad transfer decisions and sub standard players, coupled with poor team management and coaching.
No matter how bad it gets, at least we don't have to put up with Wenger anymore
User avatar
jayramfootball
David Rocastle
David Rocastle
 
Posts: 4464
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:58 pm
Location: Midlands UK

Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby Santi » Sun Dec 01, 2019 1:48 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
yadunoe wrote:Been saying sins before wenger got fired that kroenke was the problem


..you've therefore been wrong for years.
Kroneke didn't decide on which players to bring in.
Kroenke didn't make the players make basic errors week after week.
Kroenke didn't pick Wenger's team.
Kroenke didn't make our defence one the worst around - and a laughing stock.

The problem has been really quite simple.
A decade of bad transfer decisions and sub standard players, coupled with poor team management and coaching.
Image
#YoPierre
User avatar
Santi
Member of the Year 2017
Member of the Year 2017
 
Posts: 35114
Joined: Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:11 am

Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby aniym » Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:40 pm

Their biggest crime in recent years is keeping Wenger even after he dropped the mask of fiscal responsibility and started throwing away money on players like Chambers, Xhaka, Mustafi and a bunch of others who're fortunately no longer here.
aniym
Dennis Bergkamp
Dennis Bergkamp
 
Posts: 6772
Joined: Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:43 am

Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby Ach » Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:37 pm

16m each for chambers and welbeck, 2 horrific players. That 32m could've gone on a quality cb.
Ach
SE13
SE13
 
Posts: 15528
Joined: Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:25 pm

Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby Angelito » Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:31 am

Now that they don't have Wenger to shield them, these frauds are getting exposed.

Arsenal is going to be hell, fire, and brimstone for Kroenke.
Image
User avatar
Angelito
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
 
Posts: 27536
Joined: Fri May 25, 2012 9:32 am
Location: The Overlook Hotel

Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby Angelito » Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:42 pm



So it begins.

First season without Wenger too. :hiding:
Image
User avatar
Angelito
Global Moderator
Global Moderator
 
Posts: 27536
Joined: Fri May 25, 2012 9:32 am
Location: The Overlook Hotel

Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby Özim » Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:27 pm

We've not qualified for the CL for a number of years (the rot started under Wenger), on top of that Wenger and co wasted money on players that have no resale value, Xhaka, Mustafi etc and put them on high wages, something that happened far far too much under Wenger, overpaying average players, then on top of that we let our best players run down their contracts and leave for nothing or next to nothing (again it started under Wenger), this is why we're in the negative now.

Would have happened under Wenger too because he wouldn't have had CL either, Wenger got sacked in time for him, despite his poor performance some people still praise him, for some reason he always comes out as the good guy despite being complicit in the direction of the club after the stadium move.

Some people willl say he did well after the stadium move, I dont necessarily agree, Leicester won the title and are challenging again despite selling and buying little, IMO Wenger changed all that was good about Arsenal on the pitch after we moved, he undid all the good work he had done.

He always had a bit of an obsession with building a youth team, I remember his 10 year plan to develop our youth team when he arrived, that really fell on it's face when his team of youngsters failed time and time again, despite everything we invested in it it yield a very poor return, clubs like West Ham, Southampton etc have shown us up over the years spending a fraction of what we did.
Özim
Thierry Henry
Thierry Henry
 
Posts: 1556
Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:26 pm

Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby Phil71 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:47 pm

Wenger had a role as football manager and a role in getting the club debt reduced.

That is a conflict of interest.
User avatar
Phil71
Dennis Bergkamp
Dennis Bergkamp
 
Posts: 6088
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:04 pm

Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby Özim » Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:14 pm

Phil71 wrote:Wenger had a role as football manager and a role in getting the club debt reduced.

That is a conflict of interest.


In the end he was no longer interested in success on the pitch, just off it.
Özim
Thierry Henry
Thierry Henry
 
Posts: 1556
Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:26 pm

Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby Phil71 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:26 pm

Özim wrote:
Phil71 wrote:Wenger had a role as football manager and a role in getting the club debt reduced.

That is a conflict of interest.


In the end he was no longer interested in success on the pitch, just off it.


I wouldn't say he was no longer interested in footballing success. I still believe that was his priority. But he was closely involved in getting the stadium debt down - and that was bad for the footballing side. Great for the owners and the finance department, but terrible for the football.

A football manager should not have to worry about that, and should instead be knocking on the CEO's door asking for more money.
User avatar
Phil71
Dennis Bergkamp
Dennis Bergkamp
 
Posts: 6088
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:04 pm

Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby ArsenalXP » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:38 pm

need to get us a owner like Chelsea and man city to be honest lol.
ArsenalXP
Michael Thomas
 
Posts: 64
Joined: Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:27 pm

Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby theHotHead » Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:32 am

Santi wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
yadunoe wrote:Been saying sins before wenger got fired that kroenke was the problem


..you've therefore been wrong for years.
Kroneke didn't decide on which players to bring in.
Kroenke didn't make the players make basic errors week after week.
Kroenke didn't pick Wenger's team.
Kroenke didn't make our defence one the worst around - and a laughing stock.

The problem has been really quite simple.
A decade of bad transfer decisions and sub standard players, coupled with poor team management and coaching.
User avatar
theHotHead
Dennis Bergkamp
Dennis Bergkamp
 
Posts: 7941
Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:44 am
Location: Norf Landon

Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby theHotHead » Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:32 am

ArsenalXP wrote:need to get us a owner like Chelsea and man city to be honest lol.

Liverpool and Leicester don't have owners like that ........
User avatar
theHotHead
Dennis Bergkamp
Dennis Bergkamp
 
Posts: 7941
Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:44 am
Location: Norf Landon

Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby yadunoe » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:09 am

jayramfootball wrote:
yadunoe wrote:Been saying sins before wenger got fired that kroenke was the problem


..you've therefore been wrong for years.
Kroneke didn't decide on which players to bring in.
Kroenke didn't make the players make basic errors week after week.
Kroenke didn't pick Wenger's team.
Kroenke didn't make our defence one the worst around - and a laughing stock.

The problem has been really quite simple.
A decade of bad transfer decisions and sub standard players, coupled with poor team management and coaching.

Kroenke never invested the requisite money to make arsenal a powerhouse and basically only his wallet has benefited from the Emirates move. If mbs or some other rich Arab owned us or usmonov was allowed to do something then ya we would of won more trophies for sure
User avatar
yadunoe
Tony Adams
Tony Adams
 
Posts: 2500
Joined: Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:40 pm

Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby aniym » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:26 am

^^ Unlike Chelsea or City, Kroenke wasn't trying to whitewash his ill-gotten wealth.

He's a businessman, and is trying to maximize profits with minimal investment. It used to work when the TV deals, CL football and sold out matchday seats were happening. He gave Wenger and Gazidis a ton of leeway in 2017, spending £100m on Laca+Auba and handing Ozil £17m/yr and Mhikutaryan £10m/yr.

With match day fees down 30% in a single year, some big changes might be coming down the pipeline.
aniym
Dennis Bergkamp
Dennis Bergkamp
 
Posts: 6772
Joined: Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:43 am

PreviousNext

Return to Arsenal Talk

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Brandwatch [Bot], GunnerRobert and 9 guests