by swipe right » Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:37 am
by UFGN » Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:56 am
swipe right wrote:Money wins the league. Period. Leicester fluke apart every team that has got to the top did it with money. Elite fella is conveniently ignoring the piles of cash City wasted on the likes of Ade, Nasir, Jo, Robinho etc before they got stability. Or the billion dollars Roman threw at Chelsea to get them to this level. Even fergie spent a shit ton on the likes of Rio back in the day. If Kroenke doesn’t spend 5-6 is our level no matter what the management.
by swipe right » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:07 am
UFGN wrote:swipe right wrote:Money wins the league. Period. Leicester fluke apart every team that has got to the top did it with money. Elite fella is conveniently ignoring the piles of cash City wasted on the likes of Ade, Nasir, Jo, Robinho etc before they got stability. Or the billion dollars Roman threw at Chelsea to get them to this level. Even fergie spent a shit ton on the likes of Rio back in the day. If Kroenke doesn’t spend 5-6 is our level no matter what the management.
Every time this club has won the league since the 1930's, it's always been against clubs with more money.
by CrimsonGunner11 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:17 am
EliteKiller wrote:Money spent on players (nett) over the last five years:
City - 565m
Utd - 495m
Arsenal - 253m
Chelsea - 204m
Dippers - 192m
Spuds - 33m
So Kronke's club has spent more than three of the clubs currently above them ...
How about the last five years salaries?
Utd - 1,134m
City - 1,091m
Chelsea - 937m
Arsenal - 922m
Dippers - 901m
Spuds - 654m
So Kronke's club has spent more than two of the clubs currently above them ...
EliteKiller wrote:the fact we're dropping back is 90% down to miss-management, and perhaps 10% down to our Stan.
CrimsonGunner11 wrote:Sims wrote:Were the only club in the last 10 years in the prem to not get a single penny invested directly from the owner
(especially when you consider the fine print)
EliteKiller wrote:Joe Lewis has put feck all into Spuds, but you don't hear 90% of their fans blaming him, maybe it's because they have a chairman and a manager who just get on with the job ... just maybe that's our problem, not some useless fat Yank ...
swipe right wrote:Except the dippers and spuds haven’t won a toothpick yet.
by swipe right » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:27 am
by theHotHead » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:19 am
EliteKiller wrote:Love this thread should be called The Kroenke Excuse ... no denying that Kroenke is not an Arab Sheik or a Russian Oligarch but then Spurs, Liverpool, Man Utd don't have these either .... look at the facts
Money spent on players (nett) over the last five years:
City - 565m
Utd - 495m
Arsenal - 253m
Chelsea - 204m
Dippers - 192m
Spuds - 33m
So Kronke's club has spent more than three of the clubs currently above them ...
How about the last five years salaries?
Utd - 1,134m
City - 1,091m
Chelsea - 937m
Arsenal - 922m
Dippers - 901m
Spuds - 654m
So Kronke's club has spent more than two of the clubs currently above them ...
I'm not defending Kroenke he's an absentee owner who does nothing that helps the club, but equally the few million he takes out a year are not the 'rape and pillage' some would like to claim.
The truth is that since Stan took over we've been as well or better funded than all bar the two Manc money machines ... the fact we're dropping back is 90% down to miss-management, and perhaps 10% down to our Stan.
Joe Lewis has put feck all into Spuds, but you don't hear 90% of their fans blaming him, maybe it's because they have a chairman and a manager who just get on with the job ... just maybe that's our problem, not some useless fat Yank ...
by theHotHead » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:29 am
by Luzh 22 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:41 am
by PairyGrows » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:42 am
by Luzh 22 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:47 am
PairyGrows wrote:Whether or not self-sufficiency or mismanagement has got us into this mess is irrelevant. The only question worth asking is what will get us out of this mess. Unfortunately, it's quite clear that our self-sufficient model has run its course at least for now.
by EliteKiller » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:40 am
PairyGrows wrote:Whether or not self-sufficiency or mismanagement has got us into this mess is irrelevant. The only question worth asking is what will get us out of this mess. Unfortunately, it's quite clear that our self-sufficient model has run its course at least for now.
Why? Falling out of the Champions League means our broadcast and commercial revenues have shrunk and are unlikely to recover as long as we're in the Europa League. Matchday income is difficult to grow without raising the ticket prices, which, for obvious reasons, is out of the question. Selling players is no option either since we have no players to sell. Cutting costs isn't a viable solution either since our wage bill is bound to increase due to the scandalous mismanagement of our wage bill.
It's clear we're out of options as far as self-sufficiency is concerned. Either the new regime (Emery, Mislintat, Sanllehi, Venkatesham) works wonders on a shoestring budget, or Kroenke pulls his cheque book out and invests his own money in the club. Those are the only ways we can get back to the Champions League.
If we keep insisting on self-sufficiency, eventually we'll be forced to sell our best players and replace them with below-par players. This means that, in 10 years, we will be a regular mid-table outfit battling it out with the likes of Everton, Leicester and West Ham for positions between 6th and 12th.
That, to me, is incredibly depressing.
by CrimsonGunner11 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:54 am
theHotHead wrote:Crimson, Arsenal owners have never in recent modern football at least, invested money, from my knowledge, we have been self sustaining for years, so Kroenke is doing nothing abnormal.
We won doubles, we won league titles across 3 decades by not spending the most and by our owners not spending their dosh.
Liverpool have only been able to spend so much money because they have sold their best players for big bucks, its no different to what we did during the stadium move years, the only difference is Wenger became a stubborn t**t and refused to buy the 2 players we needed to be able to win the league
First we needed a keeper, then we needed a DM and he faffed about and refused to accept what every Arsenal fan and pundit were saying. We should have won at least 2 league titles since moving to the Emirates. The blame is squarely with Wenger!!!
by Nejch » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:36 pm
by Sims » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:39 pm