The Kroenke Problem

[EliteKiller]

Let's try an analogy more at the level of this debate ....

Imagine Arsenal are a second hand car - an absolute classic but in need of renovation ....

The car has two owners who can't agree to work together ... for simplicity let's say they both own 50% (you can do the same math on 66/33)

Both want to buy each other out ... they have 3,000 in the joint bank account ...

The car is worth 18,000 ... repairs will cost 3,000 ... once the car is fixed it will be worth 27,000 ...

Both want either 10,000 for their shares now, or 15,000 for their shares after repairs are completed:

1) Do the owners pay for all the repairs emptying the bank before one makes his 15,000 purchase - total cost to him 15,000

2) Does one of the owners buy the other out for 10,000 and then complete the repairs using the 3,000 in the bank - total cost to him 10,000

Can you grasp that? it's a pretty bloody basic takeover scenario ... you want the cash in the bank not the fully finished product ... making what you buy better is how you make your investment pay off ... not fixing it first then making your investment

This clear as a bell is exactly what Kroenke has done, that's why he's made 900m profit on Arsenal and his critics have worn out their keyboards trying to make him look bad ... guess that's just the way it goes

[north bank gooner]

Let's try an analogy more at the level of this debate ....

Imagine Arsenal are a second hand car - an absolute classic but in need of renovation ....

The car has two owners who can't agree to work together ... for simplicity let's say they both own 50% (you can do the same math on 66/33)

Both want to buy each other out ... they have 3,000 in the joint bank account ...

The car is worth 18,000 ... repairs will cost 3,000 ... once the car is fixed it will be worth 27,000 ...

Both want either 10,000 for their shares now, or 15,000 for their shares after repairs are completed:

1) Do the owners pay for all the repairs emptying the bank before one makes his 15,000 purchase - total cost to him 15,000

2) Does one of the owners buy the other out for 10,000 and then complete the repairs using the 3,000 in the bank - total cost to him 10,000

Can you grasp that? it's a pretty bloody basic takeover scenario ... you want the cash in the bank not the fully finished product ... making what you buy better is how you make your investment pay off ... not fixing it first then making your investment

This clear as a bell is exactly what Kroenke has done, that's why he's made 900m profit on Arsenal and his critics have worn out their keyboards trying to make him look bad ... guess that's just the way it goes

Sorry wrong thread - Mods move to the Kronke thread or just delete

Just delete it, what a mind f**k of a post first thing in the morning. Maybe Eric Cantona will understand it.

[Power n Glory]

All the panic for nothing. Everyone happy?

Of course, if we start messing up again this topic will be on fire again for the January or summer transfer window.

[theHotHead]

Yup, exactly !

Raul has a touch of the David Dein's about him, lets hope those gems we picked up become the real deal. With a manager that looks like he knows what he is doing (jury is still out) happy days might be here again. all I want is optimism, thats all I want, optimism allows me to dream and isn't that what being a football fan is all about ?!!

[Power n Glory]

Impressed with how quickly Raul and his team pulled these deals together. His approach with knowing agents and having the right contacts might not be as bad as first reported. Heck, if we've managed to have only spent £45m - £60m in this widow, that's pretty good work. None of the players sound like absolute bums and it's been high praise for them so hopefully they really push us on this season. Exciting times man. Even if we don't get it 100% right this season, it's important that we have a team behind the scenes that have the ability to bring in new talent. I can see why they didn't give Sven a promotion or take to his approach.

[StLGooner]

I know many of you argued that Stan doesn't run the club and isn't responsible for certain things, but we won't get into that again. As some of you know I will never forgive Stan for what he did to my city, and that makes me a bit different in a sense as to the reasons why I don't like the guy. But having said that, we have shown ambition and that's all that I asked. Whoever is responsible for that I guess really doesn't matter, but I will give credit to whoever wants to take it, even if it is Stan. Obviously we still haven't won anything yet and we're not back in the CL, but it seems that we have changed our recent horrible ways, and that we are heading in the right direction. We know we can't fix everything overnight, but this is a good start and it's hard to realistically ask for more than that. Lets hope this type of ambition continues. COYG!!

[CrimsonGunner11]

Let's try an analogy more at the level of this debate ....

Imagine Arsenal are a second hand car - an absolute classic but in need of renovation ....

The car has two owners who can't agree to work together ... for simplicity let's say they both own 50% (you can do the same math on 66/33)

Both want to buy each other out ... they have 3,000 in the joint bank account ...

The car is worth 18,000 ... repairs will cost 3,000 ... once the car is fixed it will be worth 27,000 ...

Both want either 10,000 for their shares now, or 15,000 for their shares after repairs are completed:

1) Do the owners pay for all the repairs emptying the bank before one makes his 15,000 purchase - total cost to him 15,000

2) Does one of the owners buy the other out for 10,000 and then complete the repairs using the 3,000 in the bank - total cost to him 10,000

Can you grasp that? it's a pretty bloody basic takeover scenario ... you want the cash in the bank not the fully finished product ... making what you buy better is how you make your investment pay off ... not fixing it first then making your investment

This clear as a bell is exactly what Kroenke has done, that's why he's made 900m profit on Arsenal and his critics have worn out their keyboards trying to make him look bad ... guess that's just the way it goes

The problem with this is that it’s seeing things from Kroenke’s perspective only. It’s been a path that has only served him so far. Not to diminish the good work that's being done now under him, but we, as fans, should value the club first and foremost over the interests of the owner, not the other way round. How many unsatisfying seasons have we had to endure to get to a point like Liverpool, Chelsea, United, or City where we can say we can win the league or the CL (and, tbh, we still aren’t even there yet)? The fact that many fans most likely would have done things differently than Kroenke were they in his position all these years says it all, imo. I’m glad we’re showing signs of ambition worthy of this club and hope it continues but we could have been at this point much sooner had the club’s best interests been at heart.

[jayramfootball]

Let's try an analogy more at the level of this debate ....

Imagine Arsenal are a second hand car - an absolute classic but in need of renovation ....

The car has two owners who can't agree to work together ... for simplicity let's say they both own 50% (you can do the same math on 66/33)

Both want to buy each other out ... they have 3,000 in the joint bank account ...

The car is worth 18,000 ... repairs will cost 3,000 ... once the car is fixed it will be worth 27,000 ...

Both want either 10,000 for their shares now, or 15,000 for their shares after repairs are completed:

1) Do the owners pay for all the repairs emptying the bank before one makes his 15,000 purchase - total cost to him 15,000

2) Does one of the owners buy the other out for 10,000 and then complete the repairs using the 3,000 in the bank - total cost to him 10,000

Can you grasp that? it's a pretty bloody basic takeover scenario ... you want the cash in the bank not the fully finished product ... making what you buy better is how you make your investment pay off ... not fixing it first then making your investment

This clear as a bell is exactly what Kroenke has done, that's why he's made 900m profit on Arsenal and his critics have worn out their keyboards trying to make him look bad ... guess that's just the way it goes

The problem with this is that it’s seeing things from Kroenke’s perspective only. It’s been a path that has only served him so far. Not to diminish the good work that's being done now under him, but we, as fans, should value the club first and foremost over the interests of the owner, not the other way round. How many unsatisfying seasons have we had to endure to get to a point like Liverpool, Chelsea, United, or City where we can say we can win the league or the CL (and, tbh, we still aren’t even there yet)? The fact that many fans most likely would have done things differently than Kroenke were they in his position all these years says it all, imo. I’m glad we’re showing signs of ambition worthy of this club and hope it continues but we could have been at this point much sooner had the club’s best interests been at heart.

. I’m glad we’re showing signs of ambition worthy of this club and hope it continues but we could have been at this point much sooner had the club’s best interests been at heart.

WTF are you talking about?

Net Spend
19/20 £91m
18/19 £65m
17/18 £-3m
16/17 £92m
15/16 £21m
14/15 £77m
13/14 £34m

Gross Spend
19/20 £137m
18/19 £72m
17/18 £137m
16/17 £102m
15/16 £24m
14/15 £107m
13/14 £44m

Over that time we broke our transfer record 4 times.
This year is not even the highest level of investment.

Kroenke just continued spending the money we need, just as he has in the past.

It continues to amaze me that facts don't seem to matter in the quest to paint to Kroeke as a bogeyman.
You should be thanking your lucky stars that he continues to pour money into the club despite the horrendous waste of money he has had to put up with from his staff.

[CrimsonGunner11]

Let's try an analogy more at the level of this debate ....

Imagine Arsenal are a second hand car - an absolute classic but in need of renovation ....

The car has two owners who can't agree to work together ... for simplicity let's say they both own 50% (you can do the same math on 66/33)

Both want to buy each other out ... they have 3,000 in the joint bank account ...

The car is worth 18,000 ... repairs will cost 3,000 ... once the car is fixed it will be worth 27,000 ...

Both want either 10,000 for their shares now, or 15,000 for their shares after repairs are completed:

1) Do the owners pay for all the repairs emptying the bank before one makes his 15,000 purchase - total cost to him 15,000

2) Does one of the owners buy the other out for 10,000 and then complete the repairs using the 3,000 in the bank - total cost to him 10,000

Can you grasp that? it's a pretty bloody basic takeover scenario ... you want the cash in the bank not the fully finished product ... making what you buy better is how you make your investment pay off ... not fixing it first then making your investment

This clear as a bell is exactly what Kroenke has done, that's why he's made 900m profit on Arsenal and his critics have worn out their keyboards trying to make him look bad ... guess that's just the way it goes

The problem with this is that it’s seeing things from Kroenke’s perspective only. It’s been a path that has only served him so far. Not to diminish the good work that's being done now under him, but we, as fans, should value the club first and foremost over the interests of the owner, not the other way round. How many unsatisfying seasons have we had to endure to get to a point like Liverpool, Chelsea, United, or City where we can say we can win the league or the CL (and, tbh, we still aren’t even there yet)? The fact that many fans most likely would have done things differently than Kroenke were they in his position all these years says it all, imo. I’m glad we’re showing signs of ambition worthy of this club and hope it continues but we could have been at this point much sooner had the club’s best interests been at heart.

. I’m glad we’re showing signs of ambition worthy of this club and hope it continues but we could have been at this point much sooner had the club’s best interests been at heart.

WTF are you talking about?

Net Spend
19/20 £91m
18/19 £65m
17/18 £-3m
16/17 £92m
15/16 £21m
14/15 £77m
13/14 £34m

Gross Spend
19/20 £137m
18/19 £72m
17/18 £137m
16/17 £102m
15/16 £24m
14/15 £107m
13/14 £44m

Over that time we broke our transfer record 4 times.
This year is not even the highest level of investment.

Kroenke just continued spending the money we need, just as he has in the past.

It continues to amaze me that facts don't seem to matter in the quest to paint to Kroeke as a bogeyman.
You should be thanking your lucky stars that he continues to pour money into the club despite the horrendous waste of money he has had to put up with from his staff.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=30558&start=1380#p1732554

[jayramfootball]

Let's try an analogy more at the level of this debate ....

Imagine Arsenal are a second hand car - an absolute classic but in need of renovation ....

The car has two owners who can't agree to work together ... for simplicity let's say they both own 50% (you can do the same math on 66/33)

Both want to buy each other out ... they have 3,000 in the joint bank account ...

The car is worth 18,000 ... repairs will cost 3,000 ... once the car is fixed it will be worth 27,000 ...

Both want either 10,000 for their shares now, or 15,000 for their shares after repairs are completed:

1) Do the owners pay for all the repairs emptying the bank before one makes his 15,000 purchase - total cost to him 15,000

2) Does one of the owners buy the other out for 10,000 and then complete the repairs using the 3,000 in the bank - total cost to him 10,000

Can you grasp that? it's a pretty bloody basic takeover scenario ... you want the cash in the bank not the fully finished product ... making what you buy better is how you make your investment pay off ... not fixing it first then making your investment

This clear as a bell is exactly what Kroenke has done, that's why he's made 900m profit on Arsenal and his critics have worn out their keyboards trying to make him look bad ... guess that's just the way it goes

The problem with this is that it’s seeing things from Kroenke’s perspective only. It’s been a path that has only served him so far. Not to diminish the good work that's being done now under him, but we, as fans, should value the club first and foremost over the interests of the owner, not the other way round. How many unsatisfying seasons have we had to endure to get to a point like Liverpool, Chelsea, United, or City where we can say we can win the league or the CL (and, tbh, we still aren’t even there yet)? The fact that many fans most likely would have done things differently than Kroenke were they in his position all these years says it all, imo. I’m glad we’re showing signs of ambition worthy of this club and hope it continues but we could have been at this point much sooner had the club’s best interests been at heart.

. I’m glad we’re showing signs of ambition worthy of this club and hope it continues but we could have been at this point much sooner had the club’s best interests been at heart.

WTF are you talking about?

Net Spend
19/20 £91m
18/19 £65m
17/18 £-3m
16/17 £92m
15/16 £21m
14/15 £77m
13/14 £34m

Gross Spend
19/20 £137m
18/19 £72m
17/18 £137m
16/17 £102m
15/16 £24m
14/15 £107m
13/14 £44m

Over that time we broke our transfer record 4 times.
This year is not even the highest level of investment.

Kroenke just continued spending the money we need, just as he has in the past.

It continues to amaze me that facts don't seem to matter in the quest to paint to Kroeke as a bogeyman.
You should be thanking your lucky stars that he continues to pour money into the club despite the horrendous waste of money he has had to put up with from his staff.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=30558&start=1380#p1732554

Way to go. You managed to ignore the facts again and continue with your dogma.
Have fun in your alternative reality, though it sounds like a pretty crappy place.

[CrimsonGunner11]

Let's try an analogy more at the level of this debate ....

Imagine Arsenal are a second hand car - an absolute classic but in need of renovation ....

The car has two owners who can't agree to work together ... for simplicity let's say they both own 50% (you can do the same math on 66/33)

Both want to buy each other out ... they have 3,000 in the joint bank account ...

The car is worth 18,000 ... repairs will cost 3,000 ... once the car is fixed it will be worth 27,000 ...

Both want either 10,000 for their shares now, or 15,000 for their shares after repairs are completed:

1) Do the owners pay for all the repairs emptying the bank before one makes his 15,000 purchase - total cost to him 15,000

2) Does one of the owners buy the other out for 10,000 and then complete the repairs using the 3,000 in the bank - total cost to him 10,000

Can you grasp that? it's a pretty bloody basic takeover scenario ... you want the cash in the bank not the fully finished product ... making what you buy better is how you make your investment pay off ... not fixing it first then making your investment

This clear as a bell is exactly what Kroenke has done, that's why he's made 900m profit on Arsenal and his critics have worn out their keyboards trying to make him look bad ... guess that's just the way it goes

The problem with this is that it’s seeing things from Kroenke’s perspective only. It’s been a path that has only served him so far. Not to diminish the good work that's being done now under him, but we, as fans, should value the club first and foremost over the interests of the owner, not the other way round. How many unsatisfying seasons have we had to endure to get to a point like Liverpool, Chelsea, United, or City where we can say we can win the league or the CL (and, tbh, we still aren’t even there yet)? The fact that many fans most likely would have done things differently than Kroenke were they in his position all these years says it all, imo. I’m glad we’re showing signs of ambition worthy of this club and hope it continues but we could have been at this point much sooner had the club’s best interests been at heart.

. I’m glad we’re showing signs of ambition worthy of this club and hope it continues but we could have been at this point much sooner had the club’s best interests been at heart.

WTF are you talking about?

Net Spend
19/20 £91m
18/19 £65m
17/18 £-3m
16/17 £92m
15/16 £21m
14/15 £77m
13/14 £34m

Gross Spend
19/20 £137m
18/19 £72m
17/18 £137m
16/17 £102m
15/16 £24m
14/15 £107m
13/14 £44m

Over that time we broke our transfer record 4 times.
This year is not even the highest level of investment.

Kroenke just continued spending the money we need, just as he has in the past.

It continues to amaze me that facts don't seem to matter in the quest to paint to Kroeke as a bogeyman.
You should be thanking your lucky stars that he continues to pour money into the club despite the horrendous waste of money he has had to put up with from his staff.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=30558&start=1380#p1732554

Way to go. You managed to ignore the facts again and continue with your dogma.
Have fun in your alternative reality, though it sounds like a pretty crappy place.

I’m not the one worshipping a man who is partly the reason, arguably the main reason, why we’re playing EL football

[Power n Glory]

Let's try an analogy more at the level of this debate ....

Imagine Arsenal are a second hand car - an absolute classic but in need of renovation ....

The car has two owners who can't agree to work together ... for simplicity let's say they both own 50% (you can do the same math on 66/33)

Both want to buy each other out ... they have 3,000 in the joint bank account ...

The car is worth 18,000 ... repairs will cost 3,000 ... once the car is fixed it will be worth 27,000 ...

Both want either 10,000 for their shares now, or 15,000 for their shares after repairs are completed:

1) Do the owners pay for all the repairs emptying the bank before one makes his 15,000 purchase - total cost to him 15,000

2) Does one of the owners buy the other out for 10,000 and then complete the repairs using the 3,000 in the bank - total cost to him 10,000

Can you grasp that? it's a pretty bloody basic takeover scenario ... you want the cash in the bank not the fully finished product ... making what you buy better is how you make your investment pay off ... not fixing it first then making your investment

This clear as a bell is exactly what Kroenke has done, that's why he's made 900m profit on Arsenal and his critics have worn out their keyboards trying to make him look bad ... guess that's just the way it goes

The problem with this is that it’s seeing things from Kroenke’s perspective only. It’s been a path that has only served him so far. Not to diminish the good work that's being done now under him, but we, as fans, should value the club first and foremost over the interests of the owner, not the other way round. How many unsatisfying seasons have we had to endure to get to a point like Liverpool, Chelsea, United, or City where we can say we can win the league or the CL (and, tbh, we still aren’t even there yet)? The fact that many fans most likely would have done things differently than Kroenke were they in his position all these years says it all, imo. I’m glad we’re showing signs of ambition worthy of this club and hope it continues but we could have been at this point much sooner had the club’s best interests been at heart.

. I’m glad we’re showing signs of ambition worthy of this club and hope it continues but we could have been at this point much sooner had the club’s best interests been at heart.

WTF are you talking about?

Net Spend
19/20 £91m
18/19 £65m
17/18 £-3m
16/17 £92m
15/16 £21m
14/15 £77m
13/14 £34m

Gross Spend
19/20 £137m
18/19 £72m
17/18 £137m
16/17 £102m
15/16 £24m
14/15 £107m
13/14 £44m

Over that time we broke our transfer record 4 times.
This year is not even the highest level of investment.

Kroenke just continued spending the money we need, just as he has in the past.

It continues to amaze me that facts don't seem to matter in the quest to paint to Kroeke as a bogeyman.
You should be thanking your lucky stars that he continues to pour money into the club despite the horrendous waste of money he has had to put up with from his staff.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=30558&start=1380#p1732554

Way to go. You managed to ignore the facts again and continue with your dogma.
Have fun in your alternative reality, though it sounds like a pretty crappy place.

I’m not the one worshipping a man who is partly the reason, arguably the main reason, why we’re playing EL football

The main reason we are here is because of David Dein, PHW and the old Board members along with Arsene Wenger.

[CrimsonGunner11]

Let's try an analogy more at the level of this debate ....

Imagine Arsenal are a second hand car - an absolute classic but in need of renovation ....

The car has two owners who can't agree to work together ... for simplicity let's say they both own 50% (you can do the same math on 66/33)

Both want to buy each other out ... they have 3,000 in the joint bank account ...

The car is worth 18,000 ... repairs will cost 3,000 ... once the car is fixed it will be worth 27,000 ...

Both want either 10,000 for their shares now, or 15,000 for their shares after repairs are completed:

1) Do the owners pay for all the repairs emptying the bank before one makes his 15,000 purchase - total cost to him 15,000

2) Does one of the owners buy the other out for 10,000 and then complete the repairs using the 3,000 in the bank - total cost to him 10,000

Can you grasp that? it's a pretty bloody basic takeover scenario ... you want the cash in the bank not the fully finished product ... making what you buy better is how you make your investment pay off ... not fixing it first then making your investment

This clear as a bell is exactly what Kroenke has done, that's why he's made 900m profit on Arsenal and his critics have worn out their keyboards trying to make him look bad ... guess that's just the way it goes

The problem with this is that it’s seeing things from Kroenke’s perspective only. It’s been a path that has only served him so far. Not to diminish the good work that's being done now under him, but we, as fans, should value the club first and foremost over the interests of the owner, not the other way round. How many unsatisfying seasons have we had to endure to get to a point like Liverpool, Chelsea, United, or City where we can say we can win the league or the CL (and, tbh, we still aren’t even there yet)? The fact that many fans most likely would have done things differently than Kroenke were they in his position all these years says it all, imo. I’m glad we’re showing signs of ambition worthy of this club and hope it continues but we could have been at this point much sooner had the club’s best interests been at heart.

. I’m glad we’re showing signs of ambition worthy of this club and hope it continues but we could have been at this point much sooner had the club’s best interests been at heart.

WTF are you talking about?

Net Spend
19/20 £91m
18/19 £65m
17/18 £-3m
16/17 £92m
15/16 £21m
14/15 £77m
13/14 £34m

Gross Spend
19/20 £137m
18/19 £72m
17/18 £137m
16/17 £102m
15/16 £24m
14/15 £107m
13/14 £44m

Over that time we broke our transfer record 4 times.
This year is not even the highest level of investment.

Kroenke just continued spending the money we need, just as he has in the past.

It continues to amaze me that facts don't seem to matter in the quest to paint to Kroeke as a bogeyman.
You should be thanking your lucky stars that he continues to pour money into the club despite the horrendous waste of money he has had to put up with from his staff.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=30558&start=1380#p1732554

Way to go. You managed to ignore the facts again and continue with your dogma.
Have fun in your alternative reality, though it sounds like a pretty crappy place.

I’m not the one worshipping a man who is partly the reason, arguably the main reason, why we’re playing EL football

The main reason we are here is because of David Dein, PHW and the old Board members along with Arsene Wenger.

It’s interesting that you did not mention Kroenke in that list. They are all to blame including Kroenke

[jayramfootball]

Let's try an analogy more at the level of this debate ....

Imagine Arsenal are a second hand car - an absolute classic but in need of renovation ....

The car has two owners who can't agree to work together ... for simplicity let's say they both own 50% (you can do the same math on 66/33)

Both want to buy each other out ... they have 3,000 in the joint bank account ...

The car is worth 18,000 ... repairs will cost 3,000 ... once the car is fixed it will be worth 27,000 ...

Both want either 10,000 for their shares now, or 15,000 for their shares after repairs are completed:

1) Do the owners pay for all the repairs emptying the bank before one makes his 15,000 purchase - total cost to him 15,000

2) Does one of the owners buy the other out for 10,000 and then complete the repairs using the 3,000 in the bank - total cost to him 10,000

Can you grasp that? it's a pretty bloody basic takeover scenario ... you want the cash in the bank not the fully finished product ... making what you buy better is how you make your investment pay off ... not fixing it first then making your investment

This clear as a bell is exactly what Kroenke has done, that's why he's made 900m profit on Arsenal and his critics have worn out their keyboards trying to make him look bad ... guess that's just the way it goes

The problem with this is that it’s seeing things from Kroenke’s perspective only. It’s been a path that has only served him so far. Not to diminish the good work that's being done now under him, but we, as fans, should value the club first and foremost over the interests of the owner, not the other way round. How many unsatisfying seasons have we had to endure to get to a point like Liverpool, Chelsea, United, or City where we can say we can win the league or the CL (and, tbh, we still aren’t even there yet)? The fact that many fans most likely would have done things differently than Kroenke were they in his position all these years says it all, imo. I’m glad we’re showing signs of ambition worthy of this club and hope it continues but we could have been at this point much sooner had the club’s best interests been at heart.

. I’m glad we’re showing signs of ambition worthy of this club and hope it continues but we could have been at this point much sooner had the club’s best interests been at heart.

WTF are you talking about?

Net Spend
19/20 £91m
18/19 £65m
17/18 £-3m
16/17 £92m
15/16 £21m
14/15 £77m
13/14 £34m

Gross Spend
19/20 £137m
18/19 £72m
17/18 £137m
16/17 £102m
15/16 £24m
14/15 £107m
13/14 £44m

Over that time we broke our transfer record 4 times.
This year is not even the highest level of investment.

Kroenke just continued spending the money we need, just as he has in the past.

It continues to amaze me that facts don't seem to matter in the quest to paint to Kroeke as a bogeyman.
You should be thanking your lucky stars that he continues to pour money into the club despite the horrendous waste of money he has had to put up with from his staff.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=30558&start=1380#p1732554

Way to go. You managed to ignore the facts again and continue with your dogma.
Have fun in your alternative reality, though it sounds like a pretty crappy place.

I’m not the one worshipping a man who is partly the reason, arguably the main reason, why we’re playing EL football

There's no worship here, fella. Just facts. Unfortunately for you, those facts are not on your side.
But if you'd like to believe that accepting reality is a form of worship, have at it.

[jayramfootball]

Let's try an analogy more at the level of this debate ....

Imagine Arsenal are a second hand car - an absolute classic but in need of renovation ....

The car has two owners who can't agree to work together ... for simplicity let's say they both own 50% (you can do the same math on 66/33)

Both want to buy each other out ... they have 3,000 in the joint bank account ...

The car is worth 18,000 ... repairs will cost 3,000 ... once the car is fixed it will be worth 27,000 ...

Both want either 10,000 for their shares now, or 15,000 for their shares after repairs are completed:

1) Do the owners pay for all the repairs emptying the bank before one makes his 15,000 purchase - total cost to him 15,000

2) Does one of the owners buy the other out for 10,000 and then complete the repairs using the 3,000 in the bank - total cost to him 10,000

Can you grasp that? it's a pretty bloody basic takeover scenario ... you want the cash in the bank not the fully finished product ... making what you buy better is how you make your investment pay off ... not fixing it first then making your investment

This clear as a bell is exactly what Kroenke has done, that's why he's made 900m profit on Arsenal and his critics have worn out their keyboards trying to make him look bad ... guess that's just the way it goes

The problem with this is that it’s seeing things from Kroenke’s perspective only. It’s been a path that has only served him so far. Not to diminish the good work that's being done now under him, but we, as fans, should value the club first and foremost over the interests of the owner, not the other way round. How many unsatisfying seasons have we had to endure to get to a point like Liverpool, Chelsea, United, or City where we can say we can win the league or the CL (and, tbh, we still aren’t even there yet)? The fact that many fans most likely would have done things differently than Kroenke were they in his position all these years says it all, imo. I’m glad we’re showing signs of ambition worthy of this club and hope it continues but we could have been at this point much sooner had the club’s best interests been at heart.

. I’m glad we’re showing signs of ambition worthy of this club and hope it continues but we could have been at this point much sooner had the club’s best interests been at heart.

WTF are you talking about?

Net Spend
19/20 £91m
18/19 £65m
17/18 £-3m
16/17 £92m
15/16 £21m
14/15 £77m
13/14 £34m

Gross Spend
19/20 £137m
18/19 £72m
17/18 £137m
16/17 £102m
15/16 £24m
14/15 £107m
13/14 £44m

Over that time we broke our transfer record 4 times.
This year is not even the highest level of investment.

Kroenke just continued spending the money we need, just as he has in the past.

It continues to amaze me that facts don't seem to matter in the quest to paint to Kroeke as a bogeyman.
You should be thanking your lucky stars that he continues to pour money into the club despite the horrendous waste of money he has had to put up with from his staff.

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Way to go. You managed to ignore the facts again and continue with your dogma.
Have fun in your alternative reality, though it sounds like a pretty crappy place.

I’m not the one worshipping a man who is partly the reason, arguably the main reason, why we’re playing EL football

The main reason we are here is because of David Dein, PHW and the old Board members along with Arsene Wenger.

It’s interesting that you did not mention Kroenke in that list. They are all to blame including Kroenke

How so?
He's continually invested huge amounts of cash into the squad. Would you like him to select the players we buy and do the coaching? Maybe he should have been playing CB?