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Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby firfi » Mon May 17, 2021 5:20 am

yadunoe wrote:ive been saying kroenke out for last 10 plus years on this forum finally fans are realizing we need to protest every game till kroenke is gone

I don't see any other club in the world with that kind of turnover in terms of revenue and stature to keep a manager that has made 8th and 9th in season and a half and with no sign of improvements( in fact quite the opposite) and keep him. This shows what kind of owner Kronke is.Sadly we have a lot of fans that still buy merch and so on and support that ownership....
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Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby swipe right » Mon May 17, 2021 5:49 am

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firfi wrote:You very well know that we sold those players to build our Stadium.And we couldn't offer them the same money the other clubs did.But can u really say they were better after they left.Winning titles sure ,but where they really better.Apart from Ashley Cole ,but he left for money reasons(Cashley).

Patrick Vieira - £18m, was worth much more, especially when you consider in that same season, we signed Hleb for £13.5m !

Ashley Cole - £6.6m plus Gallas ! That same season, we bought Denilson for £4.5m !

Thierry Henry - £21m !! Was worth much more than that !!!! Consider, we brought in Eduardo the same season for £12.5m !!

Hleb - £15m, that same season we brought in Nasri for a similar amount AND Arshavin for again a similar amount !!

We sold Kolo Toure and Adebayor to Man City for a combined £43m, but we spent £27m that season and the next on 3 CBs alone.

We sold Fabregas for £30m, much less than he was worth, we also sold Nasri and Clichy to Man City for a combined £30m, but we spent £60m that season on Arteta, Oxo, Gervinho, Mertesaker (yet another CB), Santos and the Park (the Korean).

We sold RVP, Song and Vela the next season, for £56m, but we spent £50m the same season on Giroud, Monreal, Cazorla and Podolski.

After that season we bought Ozil, the rest is history, we have been splashing the cash. Your narrative that Wenger had to sell our best players to build our stadium is nonsense. If that was the case he would've sold our best players for top whack and maximised our returns, but he didn't, we sold most of them for stupidly low money. The second reason why what you wrote is nonsense is, Wenger didn't have a choice ! Vieira wanted to leave to win the CL, Henry wanted to leave for the same reason, Fabregas wanted to leave, Nasri wanted to leave. Half the time we sold our best players we spent the same on replacements, so how can it be that we sold players to build the stadium ?!!!

HH,
There are a number of factors you are not including.

For instance, Henry signed a new contract on an absurdly high loyalty bonus. His legs were starting to go at that stage. He was out almost half of that final year. He had also become a bully on the training ground and was hampering the development of younger players. In fact, he and Cesc even had a falling out at that time. Selling him was smart decision. He gave Barca one good season after disappearing to the MLS.

It was the same with Vieira. He was on his last legs by the time we sold him. In fact when he came back with Juve he got absolutely schooled by Cesc. He won a few more trophies in Italy, but that’s Italy, before semi retirement at city.

We were building a great squad back then and these guys would have hampered it. Shame it didn’t work as planned. But RvP, Ade, Eduardo, Hleb, Reyes, Cesc, Diaby, Rosicky had the makings of a superb follow up act to the Invincibles.
Henry on his last legs when he left? He came back five years later and still did the business! Similar with Sol Campbell who came back four years after being released.

Neither did the business. It was embarrassing having them back. Henry scored against Leeds and Sunderland. Of course his class and experience matters but he was finished. As was Sol. Doesn’t make them any less great or legends but time waits for no one.
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Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby Goonerred » Mon May 17, 2021 7:26 am

We hit bad luck with Rosicky and Eduardo, the latter was never tha same after that leg break and Rosick, who was pure class developed that weird injury that would not go away.
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Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby theHotHead » Mon May 17, 2021 12:17 pm

firfi wrote:
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firfi wrote:
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firfi wrote:It's not only about money.We don't have people that can spend the money wisely .We cannot battle with CIty ,United or Chelsea in the spending spree. What we can do is spend it better we're buying unproven 1 season player Pepe for 72m + under the table only god knows how much with structure for 4-5 seasons to be paid that amount when the guy has had 1 good season and we did basically zero scouting on him.Even kid in high school can just check his stats and reasonably decide hes never worth that money.More than half of his goals we're from the penalty spot which can hardly be counted as the same value goals as open play ones. Besides that his ball control is really poor to average his passing ability is pretty average and the only thing he can do well is shoot.That played is worth around 30-45mil MAX.Yet we overpaid like over twice that just because we hired people that don't have a clue what they're doing and now that's draging us backwards.
Same people sacked Wenger without giving him really a good budget to spend and see what can happen.Same people hired Emery a bottlejob from PSG ,because they sacked Wenger and there weren't any good options available at the time.They just sacked him because that's what they felt was right without thinking of replacement at all.
Hiring a manager without experience in a club that wants instant improvements(Arteta) was on the same boat decision.
Combined we spend so much money in those seasons since Wenger left that we could have hired a manager like Alegri(proven) or someone of that caliber and given him the money to spend instead they decided to waste it.
We spent shitloads on players like chambers, xhaka and mustafi when Wenger was in charge though (and whilst ignoring gaping holes in the squad). Wenger going wasn't the problem, Wenger started the problem. It was always going to take years rather than a couple of transfer windows to undo the mess he left us with.

I agree those transfers were awful esp Mustafi.The other 2 are kinda average players we can get some return on our money.Buying young players for 20-35mil is kinda okay cause u can get half of the money returned quite easily.Which we don't do as often as we should.

But what about the fact Wenger turned Alexis into a beast of the other's he made players basically even in the last few seasons.His issue was always getting rid of players at the right time and buying new ones more smartly.Besides that he coached them super well.


Alexis was one of the best players in the world when we signed him. Wenger didn't 'make' anyone since Fabregas and Van Persie imo.

Wenger didn't make them 2 either. Fabregas was a top talent from his first games after signing for us, you could see it immediately, all Wenger did was allow him to groww. Same with RVP, when we signed him RVP was rated as one of the best young players in the world.

Both Fabregas and RVP would've become top players anywhere they went, playing under any manager


That's the same saying Ronaldo would be top2 player of our generation if he didn't go to Man united and playing under Fergie.It's just guess work.

Ronaldo would've been one of the best players in the world, absolutely. What your saying is like saying Bobby Robson made the Real Ronaldo the best player in the world because he had him at PSV Eindhoven and Barca. He would've been the best regardless.
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Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby theHotHead » Mon May 17, 2021 12:19 pm

Ach wrote:Vieira was 13.75m

Henry was 16m

Blimey, that makes the point even more salient
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Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby Ach » Mon May 17, 2021 12:28 pm

I remember back on 606 days there was a lot of debate on the transfer fees.

Obviously it wasn't as ridiculous as they are now but surely we could've got more.

I remember shevchenko leaving Milan for Chelsea at the age of 29 for 30m+. We sold Henry for 16m who was just as good at a similar age.

We were inept even then.

Add the Wenger literally going to our board to get them to lower the transfer fee for cesc so he can join Barca, seriously wtf?

Should've been sacked there and then but not only did the board not do that, they listened to him and lowered it.
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Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby theHotHead » Mon May 17, 2021 12:54 pm

swipe right wrote:
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firfi wrote:You very well know that we sold those players to build our Stadium.And we couldn't offer them the same money the other clubs did.But can u really say they were better after they left.Winning titles sure ,but where they really better.Apart from Ashley Cole ,but he left for money reasons(Cashley).

Patrick Vieira - £18m, was worth much more, especially when you consider in that same season, we signed Hleb for £13.5m !

Ashley Cole - £6.6m plus Gallas ! That same season, we bought Denilson for £4.5m !

Thierry Henry - £21m !! Was worth much more than that !!!! Consider, we brought in Eduardo the same season for £12.5m !!

Hleb - £15m, that same season we brought in Nasri for a similar amount AND Arshavin for again a similar amount !!

We sold Kolo Toure and Adebayor to Man City for a combined £43m, but we spent £27m that season and the next on 3 CBs alone.

We sold Fabregas for £30m, much less than he was worth, we also sold Nasri and Clichy to Man City for a combined £30m, but we spent £60m that season on Arteta, Oxo, Gervinho, Mertesaker (yet another CB), Santos and the Park (the Korean).

We sold RVP, Song and Vela the next season, for £56m, but we spent £50m the same season on Giroud, Monreal, Cazorla and Podolski.

After that season we bought Ozil, the rest is history, we have been splashing the cash. Your narrative that Wenger had to sell our best players to build our stadium is nonsense. If that was the case he would've sold our best players for top whack and maximised our returns, but he didn't, we sold most of them for stupidly low money. The second reason why what you wrote is nonsense is, Wenger didn't have a choice ! Vieira wanted to leave to win the CL, Henry wanted to leave for the same reason, Fabregas wanted to leave, Nasri wanted to leave. Half the time we sold our best players we spent the same on replacements, so how can it be that we sold players to build the stadium ?!!!

HH,
There are a number of factors you are not including.

For instance, Henry signed a new contract on an absurdly high loyalty bonus. His legs were starting to go at that stage. He was out almost half of that final year. He had also become a bully on the training ground and was hampering the development of younger players. In fact, he and Cesc even had a falling out at that time. Selling him was smart decision. He gave Barca one good season after disappearing to the MLS.

It was the same with Vieira. He was on his last legs by the time we sold him. In fact when he came back with Juve he got absolutely schooled by Cesc. He won a few more trophies in Italy, but that’s Italy, before semi retirement at city.

We were building a great squad back then and these guys would have hampered it. Shame it didn’t work as planned. But RvP, Ade, Eduardo, Hleb, Reyes, Cesc, Diaby, Rosicky had the makings of a superb follow up act to the Invincibles.

No way Swipe Right !! How is it that Henry had 2 good seasons at Barca, if his legs were starting to go how was he able to play for the best club in the world at the highest level ? He played full seasons there. Henry did become more demanding, you could see it on field, but thats a prt of being a winner.

Vieira only played one more full season after Arsenal so I can accept that argument for him.

Your argument that Henry would've hampered the development of players is bonkers. Thats like saying sell "insert world class player name" a few seasons before they are past their prime to allow "insert young player name" to develop. Who in their right mind would do that ??? You don't sell your world class players before you need to because you have a young prospect waiting in the wings.
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Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby theHotHead » Mon May 17, 2021 12:59 pm

firfi wrote:
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firfi wrote:You very well know that we sold those players to build our Stadium.And we couldn't offer them the same money the other clubs did.But can u really say they were better after they left.Winning titles sure ,but where they really better.Apart from Ashley Cole ,but he left for money reasons(Cashley).

Patrick Vieira - £18m, was worth much more, especially when you consider in that same season, we signed Hleb for £13.5m !

Ashley Cole - £6.6m plus Gallas ! That same season, we bought Denilson for £4.5m !

Thierry Henry - £21m !! Was worth much more than that !!!! Consider, we brought in Eduardo the same season for £12.5m !!

Hleb - £15m, that same season we brought in Nasri for a similar amount AND Arshavin for again a similar amount !!

We sold Kolo Toure and Adebayor to Man City for a combined £43m, but we spent £27m that season and the next on 3 CBs alone.

We sold Fabregas for £30m, much less than he was worth, we also sold Nasri and Clichy to Man City for a combined £30m, but we spent £60m that season on Arteta, Oxo, Gervinho, Mertesaker (yet another CB), Santos and the Park (the Korean).

We sold RVP, Song and Vela the next season, for £56m, but we spent £50m the same season on Giroud, Monreal, Cazorla and Podolski.

After that season we bought Ozil, the rest is history, we have been splashing the cash. Your narrative that Wenger had to sell our best players to build our stadium is nonsense. If that was the case he would've sold our best players for top whack and maximised our returns, but he didn't, we sold most of them for stupidly low money. The second reason why what you wrote is nonsense is, Wenger didn't have a choice ! Vieira wanted to leave to win the CL, Henry wanted to leave for the same reason, Fabregas wanted to leave, Nasri wanted to leave. Half the time we sold our best players we spent the same on replacements, so how can it be that we sold players to build the stadium ?!!!



I never said Wenger was any good on the transfer market.After David Dein left the club we became shambles.The contracts we're running down and we had to sell to retain some value from the players. RVP was that example that was allowed to run his contract down to 1 year and instead of spending big to keep him kroenke's decided it was better to offload him for 20mil.
But then again All those players wanted to leave so the fee's were low and u know how it works.

But thats the point, the argument was made that those key big players for us were sold to build the stadium, but thats not true. They were sold because they wanted to go otherwise they would've stayed and played. Don't forget, Wenger talked Vieira into staying at Arsenal when he initially wanted to go to Juve, he made him captain. He did the very same with Henry and Fabregas. If money for the stadium was needed surely he would've sold them rather than tempt them to stay on by making them club captain.
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Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby theHotHead » Mon May 17, 2021 1:01 pm

Ach wrote:I remember back on 606 days there was a lot of debate on the transfer fees.

Obviously it wasn't as ridiculous as they are now but surely we could've got more.

I remember shevchenko leaving Milan for Chelsea at the age of 29 for 30m+. We sold Henry for 16m who was just as good at a similar age.

We were inept even then.

Add the Wenger literally going to our board to get them to lower the transfer fee for cesc so he can join Barca, seriously wtf?

Should've been sacked there and then but not only did the board not do that, they listened to him and lowered it.

I totally forgot about that !! Slap in the face of the argument he was sold to pay off the stadium.
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Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby EliteKiller » Mon May 17, 2021 1:19 pm

theHotHead wrote:No way Swipe Right !! How is it that Henry had 2 good seasons at Barca, if his legs were starting to go how was he able to play for the best club in the world at the highest level ? He played full seasons there. Henry did become more demanding, you could see it on field, but thats a prt of being a winner.

Vieira only played one more full season after Arsenal so I can accept that argument for him.

Your argument that Henry would've hampered the development of players is bonkers. Thats like saying sell "insert world class player name" a few seasons before they are past their prime to allow "insert young player name" to develop. Who in their right mind would do that ??? You don't sell your world class players before you need to because you have a young prospect waiting in the wings.


That's just one side of the argument .... selling players at top price is vital

Liverpool sold Coutinho 142m (many Liverpool fans were going mental) - used the money to build an EPL winning squad.
Chelsea sold Hazard 88m and are in the CL final
Spurs sold Bale 85m and went from mid-table to top four
City sold Leroy Sane 55m and won the title
United sold Ronaldo 80m and won two of the next four titles

We should have sold Henry, Vieira, RvP, Cesc and a whole load more for far more than we did ... and we're still making the same mistake Ozil, Laca and soon Auba all going for a fraction of what they should have fetched.
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Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby jayramfootball » Mon May 17, 2021 1:51 pm

theHotHead wrote:
swipe right wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
firfi wrote:You very well know that we sold those players to build our Stadium.And we couldn't offer them the same money the other clubs did.But can u really say they were better after they left.Winning titles sure ,but where they really better.Apart from Ashley Cole ,but he left for money reasons(Cashley).

Patrick Vieira - £18m, was worth much more, especially when you consider in that same season, we signed Hleb for £13.5m !

Ashley Cole - £6.6m plus Gallas ! That same season, we bought Denilson for £4.5m !

Thierry Henry - £21m !! Was worth much more than that !!!! Consider, we brought in Eduardo the same season for £12.5m !!

Hleb - £15m, that same season we brought in Nasri for a similar amount AND Arshavin for again a similar amount !!

We sold Kolo Toure and Adebayor to Man City for a combined £43m, but we spent £27m that season and the next on 3 CBs alone.

We sold Fabregas for £30m, much less than he was worth, we also sold Nasri and Clichy to Man City for a combined £30m, but we spent £60m that season on Arteta, Oxo, Gervinho, Mertesaker (yet another CB), Santos and the Park (the Korean).

We sold RVP, Song and Vela the next season, for £56m, but we spent £50m the same season on Giroud, Monreal, Cazorla and Podolski.

After that season we bought Ozil, the rest is history, we have been splashing the cash. Your narrative that Wenger had to sell our best players to build our stadium is nonsense. If that was the case he would've sold our best players for top whack and maximised our returns, but he didn't, we sold most of them for stupidly low money. The second reason why what you wrote is nonsense is, Wenger didn't have a choice ! Vieira wanted to leave to win the CL, Henry wanted to leave for the same reason, Fabregas wanted to leave, Nasri wanted to leave. Half the time we sold our best players we spent the same on replacements, so how can it be that we sold players to build the stadium ?!!!

HH,
There are a number of factors you are not including.

For instance, Henry signed a new contract on an absurdly high loyalty bonus. His legs were starting to go at that stage. He was out almost half of that final year. He had also become a bully on the training ground and was hampering the development of younger players. In fact, he and Cesc even had a falling out at that time. Selling him was smart decision. He gave Barca one good season after disappearing to the MLS.

It was the same with Vieira. He was on his last legs by the time we sold him. In fact when he came back with Juve he got absolutely schooled by Cesc. He won a few more trophies in Italy, but that’s Italy, before semi retirement at city.

We were building a great squad back then and these guys would have hampered it. Shame it didn’t work as planned. But RvP, Ade, Eduardo, Hleb, Reyes, Cesc, Diaby, Rosicky had the makings of a superb follow up act to the Invincibles.

No way Swipe Right !! How is it that Henry had 2 good seasons at Barca, if his legs were starting to go how was he able to play for the best club in the world at the highest level ? He played full seasons there. Henry did become more demanding, you could see it on field, but thats a prt of being a winner.

Vieira only played one more full season after Arsenal so I can accept that argument for him.

Your argument that Henry would've hampered the development of players is bonkers. Thats like saying sell "insert world class player name" a few seasons before they are past their prime to allow "insert young player name" to develop. Who in their right mind would do that ??? You don't sell your world class players before you need to because you have a young prospect waiting in the wings.


Henry did have 2 good seasons at Barca, but they were not great - certainly not at the level he played for us up to 2006.
2007 he was injured most of the season.
Hindsight is always a wonderful thing, but we'd probably have been better off selling him after the CL final.
I do think we hang on to older stars too long and have suffered financially because of it.
We did it again last year.
I don't think 30 is in any way too old, but we should always be balancing the potential transfer fee with what a late 20's player can bring to the team over 2 or 3 seasons.
Doesn't feel from the outside looking in that there has been a coherent strategy in terms of player recruitment and development for years.
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Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby swipe right » Mon May 17, 2021 2:23 pm

theHotHead wrote:
swipe right wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
firfi wrote:You very well know that we sold those players to build our Stadium.And we couldn't offer them the same money the other clubs did.But can u really say they were better after they left.Winning titles sure ,but where they really better.Apart from Ashley Cole ,but he left for money reasons(Cashley).

Patrick Vieira - £18m, was worth much more, especially when you consider in that same season, we signed Hleb for £13.5m !

Ashley Cole - £6.6m plus Gallas ! That same season, we bought Denilson for £4.5m !

Thierry Henry - £21m !! Was worth much more than that !!!! Consider, we brought in Eduardo the same season for £12.5m !!

Hleb - £15m, that same season we brought in Nasri for a similar amount AND Arshavin for again a similar amount !!

We sold Kolo Toure and Adebayor to Man City for a combined £43m, but we spent £27m that season and the next on 3 CBs alone.

We sold Fabregas for £30m, much less than he was worth, we also sold Nasri and Clichy to Man City for a combined £30m, but we spent £60m that season on Arteta, Oxo, Gervinho, Mertesaker (yet another CB), Santos and the Park (the Korean).

We sold RVP, Song and Vela the next season, for £56m, but we spent £50m the same season on Giroud, Monreal, Cazorla and Podolski.

After that season we bought Ozil, the rest is history, we have been splashing the cash. Your narrative that Wenger had to sell our best players to build our stadium is nonsense. If that was the case he would've sold our best players for top whack and maximised our returns, but he didn't, we sold most of them for stupidly low money. The second reason why what you wrote is nonsense is, Wenger didn't have a choice ! Vieira wanted to leave to win the CL, Henry wanted to leave for the same reason, Fabregas wanted to leave, Nasri wanted to leave. Half the time we sold our best players we spent the same on replacements, so how can it be that we sold players to build the stadium ?!!!

HH,
There are a number of factors you are not including.

For instance, Henry signed a new contract on an absurdly high loyalty bonus. His legs were starting to go at that stage. He was out almost half of that final year. He had also become a bully on the training ground and was hampering the development of younger players. In fact, he and Cesc even had a falling out at that time. Selling him was smart decision. He gave Barca one good season after disappearing to the MLS.

It was the same with Vieira. He was on his last legs by the time we sold him. In fact when he came back with Juve he got absolutely schooled by Cesc. He won a few more trophies in Italy, but that’s Italy, before semi retirement at city.

We were building a great squad back then and these guys would have hampered it. Shame it didn’t work as planned. But RvP, Ade, Eduardo, Hleb, Reyes, Cesc, Diaby, Rosicky had the makings of a superb follow up act to the Invincibles.

No way Swipe Right !! How is it that Henry had 2 good seasons at Barca, if his legs were starting to go how was he able to play for the best club in the world at the highest level ? He played full seasons there. Henry did become more demanding, you could see it on field, but thats a prt of being a winner.

Vieira only played one more full season after Arsenal so I can accept that argument for him.

Your argument that Henry would've hampered the development of players is bonkers. Thats like saying sell "insert world class player name" a few seasons before they are past their prime to allow "insert young player name" to develop. Who in their right mind would do that ??? You don't sell your world class players before you need to because you have a young prospect waiting in the wings.

But he did not HH. When Henry went to Barca he was supposed to replace Eto’o. But instead Rijkard pushed him to the left as a replacement to Ronaldinho. That last season of Rijkards was a disaster but Henry did modestly well, nothing great. In his second season he had Pep as manager. It was that great season for Barca where Eto’o and Messi ran riot. Henry too put up big numbers but nothing compared to them. He was then benched in his third seasons for Pedro. Henry was frequently whistled to at the Nou Camp and left a figment of the player he was for us. He didn’t do much in the MLS either other than some showboating. Unfortunately he was done by the 2016 final.
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Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby firfi » Mon May 17, 2021 3:40 pm

theHotHead wrote:
firfi wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
firfi wrote:You very well know that we sold those players to build our Stadium.And we couldn't offer them the same money the other clubs did.But can u really say they were better after they left.Winning titles sure ,but where they really better.Apart from Ashley Cole ,but he left for money reasons(Cashley).

Patrick Vieira - £18m, was worth much more, especially when you consider in that same season, we signed Hleb for £13.5m !

Ashley Cole - £6.6m plus Gallas ! That same season, we bought Denilson for £4.5m !

Thierry Henry - £21m !! Was worth much more than that !!!! Consider, we brought in Eduardo the same season for £12.5m !!

Hleb - £15m, that same season we brought in Nasri for a similar amount AND Arshavin for again a similar amount !!

We sold Kolo Toure and Adebayor to Man City for a combined £43m, but we spent £27m that season and the next on 3 CBs alone.

We sold Fabregas for £30m, much less than he was worth, we also sold Nasri and Clichy to Man City for a combined £30m, but we spent £60m that season on Arteta, Oxo, Gervinho, Mertesaker (yet another CB), Santos and the Park (the Korean).

We sold RVP, Song and Vela the next season, for £56m, but we spent £50m the same season on Giroud, Monreal, Cazorla and Podolski.

After that season we bought Ozil, the rest is history, we have been splashing the cash. Your narrative that Wenger had to sell our best players to build our stadium is nonsense. If that was the case he would've sold our best players for top whack and maximised our returns, but he didn't, we sold most of them for stupidly low money. The second reason why what you wrote is nonsense is, Wenger didn't have a choice ! Vieira wanted to leave to win the CL, Henry wanted to leave for the same reason, Fabregas wanted to leave, Nasri wanted to leave. Half the time we sold our best players we spent the same on replacements, so how can it be that we sold players to build the stadium ?!!!



I never said Wenger was any good on the transfer market.After David Dein left the club we became shambles.The contracts we're running down and we had to sell to retain some value from the players. RVP was that example that was allowed to run his contract down to 1 year and instead of spending big to keep him kroenke's decided it was better to offload him for 20mil.
But then again All those players wanted to leave so the fee's were low and u know how it works.

But thats the point, the argument was made that those key big players for us were sold to build the stadium, but thats not true. They were sold because they wanted to go otherwise they would've stayed and played. Don't forget, Wenger talked Vieira into staying at Arsenal when he initially wanted to go to Juve, he made him captain. He did the very same with Henry and Fabregas. If money for the stadium was needed surely he would've sold them rather than tempt them to stay on by making them club captain.


It's a cycle.They wanted to leave because the club didn't spend enough money and they felt they were left behind. Around that time Arsenal decided to put cap on salaries when everywhere else the salaries were exploding.Wenger didn't really want to sell them ,but foolishly let them run their contracts down and couldn't get decent fees for them.Like someone else said in the posts above look at the Chelsea transfer business and Liverpool etc in recent years.We simply have no assets for ages.Since 2013 or so we don't have a single asset that we can sell apart from Alexis.
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Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby theHotHead » Tue May 18, 2021 9:29 am

And that has been one of Arsenal's biggest problems, what we recoup on players sales is a pittance to what we should get. Yes we got a pretty penny for Iwobi, Walcott and Oxo but for me its too little too late, when the squad was rocking and full of quality thats when we should have been taking full advantage of our position in the game. We were recent league winners, double winners, CL finalists, the route we took then has led us to where we are now.
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Re: The Kroenke Problem

Postby swipe right » Wed May 19, 2021 12:22 am

City buying Kane
United in for Halaand
Chelsea want Sancho

Kroenke: hold my beer, I too want to do something big. Get Ryan Bertrand on the phone.
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