jayramfootball wrote:CrimsonGunner11 wrote:jayramfootball wrote:CrimsonGunner11 wrote:jayramfootball wrote:CrimsonGunner11 wrote:EliteKiller wrote:Let's try an analogy more at the level of this debate ....
Imagine Arsenal are a second hand car - an absolute classic but in need of renovation ....
The car has two owners who can't agree to work together ... for simplicity let's say they both own 50% (you can do the same math on 66/33)
Both want to buy each other out ... they have 3,000 in the joint bank account ...
The car is worth 18,000 ... repairs will cost 3,000 ... once the car is fixed it will be worth 27,000 ...
Both want either 10,000 for their shares now, or 15,000 for their shares after repairs are completed:
1) Do the owners pay for all the repairs emptying the bank before one makes his 15,000 purchase - total cost to him 15,000
2) Does one of the owners buy the other out for 10,000 and then complete the repairs using the 3,000 in the bank - total cost to him 10,000
Can you grasp that? it's a pretty bloody basic takeover scenario ... you want the cash in the bank not the fully finished product ... making what you buy better is how you make your investment pay off ... not fixing it first then making your investment
This clear as a bell is exactly what Kroenke has done, that's why he's made 900m profit on Arsenal and his critics have worn out their keyboards trying to make him look bad ... guess that's just the way it goes
The problem with this is that it’s seeing things from Kroenke’s perspective only. It’s been a path that has only served him so far. Not to diminish the good work that's being done now under him, but we, as fans, should value the club first and foremost over the interests of the owner, not the other way round. How many unsatisfying seasons have we had to endure to get to a point like Liverpool, Chelsea, United, or City where we can say we can win the league or the CL (and, tbh, we still aren’t even there yet)? The fact that many fans most likely would have done things differently than Kroenke were they in his position all these years says it all, imo. I’m glad we’re showing signs of ambition worthy of this club and hope it continues but we could have been at this point much sooner had the club’s best interests been at heart.. I’m glad we’re showing signs of ambition worthy of this club and hope it continues but we could have been at this point much sooner had the club’s best interests been at heart.
WTF are you talking about?
Net Spend
19/20 £91m
18/19 £65m
17/18 £-3m
16/17 £92m
15/16 £21m
14/15 £77m
13/14 £34m
Gross Spend
19/20 £137m
18/19 £72m
17/18 £137m
16/17 £102m
15/16 £24m
14/15 £107m
13/14 £44m
Over that time we broke our transfer record 4 times.
This year is not even the highest level of investment.
Kroenke just continued spending the money we need, just as he has in the past.
It continues to amaze me that facts don't seem to matter in the quest to paint to Kroeke as a bogeyman.
You should be thanking your lucky stars that he continues to pour money into the club despite the horrendous waste of money he has had to put up with from his staff.
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=30558&start=1380#p1732554
Way to go. You managed to ignore the facts again and continue with your dogma.
Have fun in your alternative reality, though it sounds like a pretty crappy place.
I’m not the one worshipping a man who is partly the reason, arguably the main reason, why we’re playing EL football
There's no worship here, fella. Just facts. Unfortunately for you, those facts are not on your side.
But if you'd like to believe that accepting reality is a form of worship, have at it.
The picture you’re painting is making it out to seem that all the money we’ve been able to spend so far is coming directly from Kroenke’s pockets when in actuality all he’s doing is taking credit off the hard work of others. It’s like buying a successful franchise and bragging to your friends soon afterwards that you’re the reason the franchise is so popular.
jayramfootball wrote:CrimsonGunner11 wrote:Power n Glory wrote:CrimsonGunner11 wrote:jayramfootball wrote:CrimsonGunner11 wrote:jayramfootball wrote:CrimsonGunner11 wrote:EliteKiller wrote:Let's try an analogy more at the level of this debate ....
Imagine Arsenal are a second hand car - an absolute classic but in need of renovation ....
The car has two owners who can't agree to work together ... for simplicity let's say they both own 50% (you can do the same math on 66/33)
Both want to buy each other out ... they have 3,000 in the joint bank account ...
The car is worth 18,000 ... repairs will cost 3,000 ... once the car is fixed it will be worth 27,000 ...
Both want either 10,000 for their shares now, or 15,000 for their shares after repairs are completed:
1) Do the owners pay for all the repairs emptying the bank before one makes his 15,000 purchase - total cost to him 15,000
2) Does one of the owners buy the other out for 10,000 and then complete the repairs using the 3,000 in the bank - total cost to him 10,000
Can you grasp that? it's a pretty bloody basic takeover scenario ... you want the cash in the bank not the fully finished product ... making what you buy better is how you make your investment pay off ... not fixing it first then making your investment
This clear as a bell is exactly what Kroenke has done, that's why he's made 900m profit on Arsenal and his critics have worn out their keyboards trying to make him look bad ... guess that's just the way it goes
The problem with this is that it’s seeing things from Kroenke’s perspective only. It’s been a path that has only served him so far. Not to diminish the good work that's being done now under him, but we, as fans, should value the club first and foremost over the interests of the owner, not the other way round. How many unsatisfying seasons have we had to endure to get to a point like Liverpool, Chelsea, United, or City where we can say we can win the league or the CL (and, tbh, we still aren’t even there yet)? The fact that many fans most likely would have done things differently than Kroenke were they in his position all these years says it all, imo. I’m glad we’re showing signs of ambition worthy of this club and hope it continues but we could have been at this point much sooner had the club’s best interests been at heart.. I’m glad we’re showing signs of ambition worthy of this club and hope it continues but we could have been at this point much sooner had the club’s best interests been at heart.
WTF are you talking about?
Net Spend
19/20 £91m
18/19 £65m
17/18 £-3m
16/17 £92m
15/16 £21m
14/15 £77m
13/14 £34m
Gross Spend
19/20 £137m
18/19 £72m
17/18 £137m
16/17 £102m
15/16 £24m
14/15 £107m
13/14 £44m
Over that time we broke our transfer record 4 times.
This year is not even the highest level of investment.
Kroenke just continued spending the money we need, just as he has in the past.
It continues to amaze me that facts don't seem to matter in the quest to paint to Kroeke as a bogeyman.
You should be thanking your lucky stars that he continues to pour money into the club despite the horrendous waste of money he has had to put up with from his staff.
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=30558&start=1380#p1732554
Way to go. You managed to ignore the facts again and continue with your dogma.
Have fun in your alternative reality, though it sounds like a pretty crappy place.
I’m not the one worshipping a man who is partly the reason, arguably the main reason, why we’re playing EL football
The main reason we are here is because of David Dein, PHW and the old Board members along with Arsene Wenger.
It’s interesting that you did not mention Kroenke in that list. They are all to blame including Kroenke
How so?
He's continually invested huge amounts of cash into the squad. Would you like him to select the players we buy and do the coaching? Maybe he should have been playing CB?
Has been answered already