The Kroenke Problem

[Nuggets]

The guy has short arms and deep pockets.

[theHotHead]

The only thing that will make Kroenke leave is a thoroughly negative environment. That will take a while to create and will have a negative impact on the team. Look how long it took to get Wenger out!!

Then the next hurdle is getting Arsenal supporters on board to create that negative environment. Why would they? We have a new manager, the ghost of Wenger is disappearing, we are slowly improving, why would fans want to stop progress by creating a negative environment at this point?!

There is very little justification to it, Kroenke hasn't hampered us. He needs to f**k up first before the Kroenke Out movement gathers any momentum.

Guys we don't need to create a negative environment for the Players or Managers at all just for Kroenke.

Remember unlike Newcastle our team gets more worldwide coverage on both traditional and social media.

If all the fans around the world watch an Arsenal game on TV and hear the whole stadiums sing f**k Off Stan Kroenke say a few times during a game (Like f**k off Mou style) it will get such huge media coverage it would be like whoa....pundits and critics and the whole football world would hear it. It would have to be done at every home game.

Then would come the interviews and analysis and all that stuff....we don't need an empty stadium our players need the backing but we can boycott sales of merchandise...which would give Adidas a huge seizure lol.

Mate you are dreaming if you think the fans singing a song about Kroenke will move him at all. There were Kroenke out songs when we wanted Wenger Out too, it has no affect, he doesn't care, he is never there to hear them.

[weaponx57]

The only thing that will make Kroenke leave is a thoroughly negative environment. That will take a while to create and will have a negative impact on the team. Look how long it took to get Wenger out!!

Then the next hurdle is getting Arsenal supporters on board to create that negative environment. Why would they? We have a new manager, the ghost of Wenger is disappearing, we are slowly improving, why would fans want to stop progress by creating a negative environment at this point?!

There is very little justification to it, Kroenke hasn't hampered us. He needs to f**k up first before the Kroenke Out movement gathers any momentum.

Guys we don't need to create a negative environment for the Players or Managers at all just for Kroenke.

Remember unlike Newcastle our team gets more worldwide coverage on both traditional and social media.

If all the fans around the world watch an Arsenal game on TV and hear the whole stadiums sing f**k Off Stan Kroenke say a few times during a game (Like f**k off Mou style) it will get such huge media coverage it would be like whoa....pundits and critics and the whole football world would hear it. It would have to be done at every home game.

Then would come the interviews and analysis and all that stuff....we don't need an empty stadium our players need the backing but we can boycott sales of merchandise...which would give Adidas a huge seizure lol.

Mate you are dreaming if you think the fans singing a song about Kroenke will move him at all. There were Kroenke out songs when we wanted Wenger Out too, it has no affect, he doesn't care, he is never there to hear them.

Please there were barely any protests against Kroenke it was more about Wenger and it only happened for what at most the tail end of 17/18 season?

It needs to be consistent....every game for the full season for probably more than one season of protests targeting him and then there will be results....doing it for a couple of months won't do squat it will take a couple of years of consistent protesting to move a billionaire.

[Power n Glory]

AC Milan banned from the UEFA Cup for breching FFP rules. We need to pay attention.

[Zanatos3]

AGREED 100% Totally withing Financial Regulations, just Enhancing the Self Sustaining model,
due to the stagnating setbacks of recent seasons.

Just checking .... you are fully aware that we've spent right up to the maximum under FFP for the last three years, that in fact our wages budget is so maxed-out we couldn't afford to pay and keep Ramsey? you do know all that don't you?

We get a new owner that actually cares about winning who adds in the maximum allowed every window to help us improve

So that's exactly the same amount we spend now .... the maximum an owner can add to the FFP revenue stream is nil ... owners can only pay for infrastructure with any money raised by that infrastructure then being available as new income - Liverpool spent 257m on infrastructure funded by FSG loans, Spurs spent 800m underwritten by ENIC, City spent an alleged billion but of course we know they cheated and used it for transfers, and it looks like they got caught .... we already had the Emirates all we can do is tart it up and raise ticket prices ...

The reality is billionaire owner or not when your income goes down the maximum you can increase your spend by per annum is 7m a year .... only money raised under the allowable UEFA criteria can be counted as extra revenue for any additional spending.

Only a club's outgoings in transfers, employee benefits (including wages), amortisation of transfers, finance costs and dividends will be counted over income from gate receipts, TV revenue, advertising, merchandising, disposal of tangible fixed assets, sales of players and prize money. Any money spent on infrastructure, training facilities or youth development will not be included.

Bottom line Kroenke can't put in 100m for players even if he wanted to ... we wouldn't be allowed to spend one penny of his money directly on players or wages, that's the whole point of FFP ... maybe it will take City getting banned from Europe 2020/21 before people will finally get the picture ...

FFP was accepted by the Top Clubs because in essence it allows the elite rich clubs to spend vastly more than the small clubs thus protecting and indeed ensuring their elite status ... a side effect that the big clubs possibly overlooked was when things go a bit wrong on the pitch FFP won't allow them to just spend unlimited cash ... they actually have to manage a proper business, albeit one with a huge guaranteed advantage over 90% of their rivals.

In the end that fact we have a massive income that permits us to spend 220m a year on salaries, compared to the teams 7th and below who's income only allows them to spend around 140m, means that with even competent management our top six position is safe ... the fact we haven't had even barely competent manager for a decade is why we're now worst of the top six ... blame the owner all you like but Kroenke gave Gazidis and Wonger a Mercedes and the maximum allowed to run it, if they got beaten by Fords and Vauxhalls with half their budget, is that really all Kroenke's fault?

NOPE- Not all Kronkes Fault! Thanks for breaking down FFP for me, I don't know much about it or the deep inner workings of the club, just check out an article on another fan site detailing the same thing you just broke down,

The sad Finacial State of Arsenal - HEADLINE Can someone lend Arsenal a pot to p*** in?
https://www.onlinegooner.com/articles/view/4794

Heres a taste of just the first paragraph,

" The Arsenal Supporters Trust released a sobering analysis of the club’s current financial situation, authored by Simon Hill earlier this week.

It’s worth reading in full to get a complete understanding of Arsenal’s finances, but here’s the conclusion…

“Arsenal are cash strapped, boxed in by FFP and saddled with existing debt obligations of £200m that would cost £250m to refinance early. Their rival clubs have much more free cash flow to invest in transfers and salaries and arguably start with stronger squads so it is going to be an uphill struggle to narrow the gap. "

Check it out to get the down low which you just graciously summarized for me.

[Zanatos3]

Still Chelsea can Find a way to spend 40Mil while still under a transfer ban.
If we need more Sponsors to Compete while satisfying FFP , Kronke's ppl should be working on that, but then the Adidas deal is evidence of that,
Legal means of increasing club revenue with an Improved Kit deal, one of the best. Yet still I Feel theres more that could be done, Liverpool made such smart moves, spent their money wisely Over Time. we Can't change the past, we have to just keep moving foward, FFP is now making BIG Serious Money moves, 10 & 20 yrs ago they weren't & Chelsea & every other top club was abusing the system, some how you almost wish Kronke cared more & had done the same thing, but that would have been wrong.

Now everyone has to play by the rules, no more cheating, Ac milan, Chelsea everyones reeling from the new sheriff in town.
Kronke played by the rules but I just wish going foward we can get someone Smarter
letting Wenger stay 22yrs was his mistake, the sad state of the club NOW is his fault,
Sven Mislinat staying for 2 hrs, bringing in REAL QUALITY & flying out so soon was because Kronke is not handling the Business end of Arsenal well,
I'd like us to find an Owner who is a better Businessman, not CORRUPT, not 1 to cheat, can't fault Kronke there,
But 1 who is WOKE & make smarter business decisions. A passionate Businessman, 1 who cares about his customers, the end product
& the future.

[Zanatos3]

A little piece from the headline of this same article mentioned previously

No way to run a football club? The mistakes of the last ten years (not spending, spending badly, player contracts) are now paying dividends.

from the article listed in this link Gooner Fans page & AST Trust Arsenal Analysis
https://www.onlinegooner.com/articles/view/4794

headline : Can someone lend Arsenal a pot to p*** in?
Writer :Kevin Whitcher JUN 22, 2019

That's management, Kronke's overall fault, poor management

We can do better, I fully support protests ,100%

But I also believe we can Simultaneously use in Non-Negative, PROACTIVE Approach
Work on both fronts with the same goal, to remove kronke

WE can find suitors for Better Ownership of Arsenal FC,

Kronke is the Problem, but we never mention MUCH, on this page, THE SOLUTION

New potential owners, emailing them with the prospect of Bidding for Arsenal FC,
maybe in conjunction with a few other Multi-billionaires from business we chose all around the world,
Ideas are powerful, & strength comes in numbers. we have numbers, not dollars, but conversation
can lead to change, Imagine we, AST TRUST & other fans that know really Sucessful Billionares,
Maybe some are Arsenal fans 2, 7 we organised a coalition of them from around the world or in Europe that
can surmount a BID, or Several BIDS that KRONKE CAN'T REFUSE! a business plan show real intent to Improve Arsenal
if he hands over the Reigns.

I don't know man, it's just an Idea, I currently don;t now any Sheiks or Oprahs.... but maybe some ppl on this forum do,
or can slide in their DM's, my old fashion Email, or stone age actual FACE 2 FACE conversation with some potential
suitors for new ownership.

It's a dream, I know,

Usmanov made 1 bid, 1 Man, 1 mogul,

if we can gather an army of them,...maybe some real fans 2,
Aliko Dangote, Jay-Z, the Queen of England, .... I don't now man...(joking about some obviously )

I had a dream, decided to write it down.

Backing Turkish & his protest on the 1st of July, to remove the main root ppf the problem,
I just think as fans we should really think about, talk about & work on the Solution too,
Think ahead, should Kronke sell, in a Happy future, after this Dystopia, who do we want in charge?

[weaponx57]

Did someone mention that Man City would get penalized? HAHAHAHAHAHA what are you smoking? City are owned by a fund which is owned by an entire country who have lawyers who would f**k UEFA over any day of the week. All Arab owned teams will never be subject to FFP because they are owned by countries otherwise Man City would be banned by now.....be nice if we were owned by the Dubai Sheikh then we could spend as much as we want withour repercussions.

If the people at FFP had any balls they would penalize these clubs but instead they get bribed out....how do you think a repressive country with absolutely no care for basic humanity like Qatar gets the world cup? While they were building their stadiums so many Indians and other south asian workers died from over heating and over work, terrible work condtitions and just forced to build the stadiums as fast as possibe.... FIFA, UEFA, even the British FA are nothing more than a bunch of corrupt organizations.

[bushayes]

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[BS221B]

Get used to it. I have no doubt that we will be worse than Everton in two seasons. They are doing everything right while we doing absolutely nothing. Usmanov abandoned Arsenal and invested on Everton for a reason.

[DiamondGooner]

............... and they sold the club to this guy?

Arsenal is just a business now, the team is a spectacle, it is not a competitive sports club.

Making me sick tbh.

I'd rather support a smaller team who does everything they can to win rather than a big team who does everything they can to not achieve their potential.

[Luzh 22]

Get used to it. I have no doubt that we will be worse than Everton in two seasons. They are doing everything right while we doing absolutely nothing. Usmanov abandoned Arsenal and invested on Everton for a reason.

Said it for ages now, mediocrity is the ultimate aim. They (the ownership and board) want it to tick over to get all the prem revenue, and invest minimal funds to keep the team some what competitive, to give the illusion that they're trying their best, to keep the stands full and the merchandise selling.

It's more profitable than trying to compete with the upper echelons of the league and trying to get into the champions league, especially when there are no guarantee's that even with an investment in the squad that makes it competitve at the very top (probably looking at £150m - £200m at this point) would ensure a place in the top 4. There are too many other teams doing the same.

Like he said "I didn't buy Arsenal to win trophies". So what exactly did he buy it for, if not for profit?


Get used to it lads, without some miracle signings or some excellent youth coming through the ranks, this is how it's gonna be from now on.

[EliteKiller]

Get used to it. I have no doubt that we will be worse than Everton in two seasons. They are doing everything right while we doing absolutely nothing. Usmanov abandoned Arsenal and invested on Everton for a reason.

We are miles ahead of Everton .... let's not get carried away with who our rivals are Everton half less than 50% of our revenue sure they could "do a Leicester" but they are nowhere near our level



Maybe Everton in five years with a new ground (and that's Usmanov's vision) or even West Ham if they rebuild the running track, but the chances are the big six will remain the big six for at least another decade .... that was after all the whole point of FFP to keep the rich at the top.

[LMAO]

If you're gonna slate Kroenke, at least use up-to-date info.

Arsenal: 5th PL & EL runners-up (2018-19 PL)
Colorado Rapids: 11/12 place Western Conference & 21/23 overall (2018 MLS)
Colorado Avalanche: 8th best record Western Conference, reached Western Conference semifinals and lost series 4-3 (2018-19 NHL)
Denver Nuggets: 2nd seed Western Conference, reached Western Conference semifinals and lost series 4-3 (2018-19 NBA)
LA Rams: Won NFC West, 2-seed in NFC, Super Bowl runners-up (2018 NFL)

Seems like his teams have improved since that graphic

[Luzh 22]

Get used to it. I have no doubt that we will be worse than Everton in two seasons. They are doing everything right while we doing absolutely nothing. Usmanov abandoned Arsenal and invested on Everton for a reason.

We are miles ahead of Everton .... let's not get carried away with who our rivals are Everton half less than 50% of our revenue sure they could "do a Leicester" but they are nowhere near our level



Maybe Everton in five years with a new ground (and that's Usmanov's vision) or even West Ham if they rebuild the running track, but the chances are the big six will remain the big six for at least another decade .... that was after all the whole point of FFP to keep the rich at the top.

Firstly, I didn't say that

Secondly, massive revenue doesn't matter when re-investment is worse than most of the teams in the premier league. We kind of need a graphic for investment/revenue. That would make interesting reading for sure.