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Re: Why can't we sell players?

Postby EliteKiller » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:32 am

It goes back to when we believed that players contracts would get shorter and that wages would be the paramount factor - to support that theory we started paying higher wages and allowing contracts to run down ... this wasn't an accident it was bad management.

Why five years later is that still a problem? Well there are two main reasons, firstly we have 'older' players who we either allow to leave for free or pay massive salaries for their final contract - Ozil, Auba, Willian, Luiz all on big money all who have left or will leave for almost no transfer value, secondly we have very average players Bellerin, Kola, Xhaka, Soares on 100k a week or more, no other club will take them on and pay a decent transfer fee - those high salaries also mean other players Partey, Pepe, Tierney, Martinelli will only sign for similar huge wages ....

This creates a never ending cycle - older players on big salaries leaving for free at end of contract (256m asset loss in the last five years) - overpaid average players either on gardening leave whilst their contract runs down or we pay other clubs to loan them - new players signed on very high salaries some of whom become overpaid average players either on gardening leave whilst their contract runs down or we pay other clubs to loan them.

It also means youngsters have almost no chance of getting in the squad and look to move away.

It's a cluster-feck that goes back years and sadly is very much still with us - when we have a wages bill similar to Chelsea and Liverpool yet a squad that's not even close (and don't even mention Spurs !!!!!!) something is badly wrong.

Unfortunately the solution is drastic, get rid of Auba, Laca, Willian, Luiz and lose another 250m in asset value, get rid of Bellerin, Kola, Pepe, Xhaka and take whatever we can get for them .... bring in 8 or 9 players under 27 on 50k maximum and make them earn bonuses and pay-rises ... the trouble is that will be a huge risk with an inexperienced manager at the helm, and our recruiting team so far hasn't been up to the task.

But if we don't change we will see not only City, Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea move out of reach but also Spurs, Everton and possible others. You can't operate a club on a failed philosophy even one as big as ours.
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Re: Why can't we sell players?

Postby StockGooner » Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:48 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:Arteta has run the transfer value of our players in to the ground. By openly alienating them he has made it clear they are available for a distress sale. Immature manager.


True - we'll be lucky to get 10million for Saliba and 15m for Martinelli when they leave.
Guendouzi , we'll get nothing for. Torriera we'll get nothing for.
List goes on.


Overall I agree we don't get value for players, it's long been a gripe, but in some ways might we be seeing a change?

Things is with those listed:
Torreira we won't get what we paid, totally agreed. we thought we were getting something different form what we did.
With Saliba, if he's tied into a long contract we can only hope that one day he'll be brought back or that he plays so well on loan in the next two years a club will come in and buy him for the same value or a profit. I will say this situation is a true mess at the moment though and maybe we overpaid to take this kind of risk.
With Guendo and Martinelli though, we should see profit on both (Sadly, as I'd rather these skillsets be retained) and whilst profit doesn't make the club it does mean we can then take a punt on four/five more players who might make the grade. Or even if two or three make the grade, we sell them for enough to try again.

Sadly, this is our level within football for now and we have to play the game. But equally it involves not wasting cash on has been players as well
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Re: Why can't we sell players?

Postby jayramfootball » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:03 pm

StockGooner wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
swipe right wrote:Arteta has run the transfer value of our players in to the ground. By openly alienating them he has made it clear they are available for a distress sale. Immature manager.


True - we'll be lucky to get 10million for Saliba and 15m for Martinelli when they leave.
Guendouzi , we'll get nothing for. Torriera we'll get nothing for.
List goes on.


Overall I agree we don't get value for players, it's long been a gripe, but in some ways might we be seeing a change?

Things is with those listed:
Torreira we won't get what we paid, totally agreed. we thought we were getting something different form what we did.
With Saliba, if he's tied into a long contract we can only hope that one day he'll be brought back or that he plays so well on loan in the next two years a club will come in and buy him for the same value or a profit. I will say this situation is a true mess at the moment though and maybe we overpaid to take this kind of risk.
With Guendo and Martinelli though, we should see profit on both (Sadly, as I'd rather these skillsets be retained) and whilst profit doesn't make the club it does mean we can then take a punt on four/five more players who might make the grade. Or even if two or three make the grade, we sell them for enough to try again.

Sadly, this is our level within football for now and we have to play the game. But equally it involves not wasting cash on has been players as well



With players like Guendouzi and even more so Martinelli, it's less about comparing what we paid to what we will sell for. yes, we'll make a profit, but our actions have cost us a massive amount of money IMO.

50million would be realistic for Martinelli if he'd have played enough this year and given the chance to show the same talent he showed last year.
With Guendouzi, it was not long ago he made the list of the top 20 most talented youngsters in Europe. He was a hot prospect and he did perform for Arsenal too in his first year. He was cast aside and his reputation tarnished. His value would have plummeted.
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Re: Why can't we sell players?

Postby VCC » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:09 pm

Can't sell players because we are crap.

If we won the league everyone would want them and the value would be through the roof.
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Re: Why can't we sell players?

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:56 pm

The only thing that's changed is how we perceive player sales.

Fabregas, Nasri, RVP, Vermaelen, Song, Alexis, --- all left because they were wanted by a big club. We did not want to sell them.

We had trouble shifting deadwood back then too. Remember record signing Arshavin leaving for nothing in 2013? Chamakh, Bendtner and Santos were similar. I think we got 2.5m for Podolski though.

Today our squad is filled with mediocre players who are comfortable chasing a Top 6 finish and are happy to see out their contract. The vast majority of them know they won't do any better than Arsenal.
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Re: Why can't we sell players?

Postby ag6789 » Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:25 pm

Agree w/aniym. We have been buying aged players of late for a quick fix. Sokratis, Luiz, Willian are few such examples.
Problem is clubs like MC and Chelsea are offering so much that even first choice players are willing to be bench warmers.
That's why even when we've vacancies in key positions we cannot attract top talent.
Also worrisome are incidents like Pepe acquisition. Here we splashed top money for mediocrity.
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Re: Why can't we sell players?

Postby KG3 » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:41 pm

The squad is stacked with far too many players just like last year why are Kolasinac, Niles/Bellerin, Willock, Xhaka, Torreria, Willian, Nelson, Nketiah all still here?

How many of them will be sent out on pointless loans which don’t benefit us, like Saliba, Mavropanos and Guendouzi?

For those three players it’s another year wasted on their contracts, which gives us less bargaining power when we try and sell then in the future.

Not all the players on that list are actually bad and I’d be happy for some of them to stay and play, however seeing as the manager doesn’t rate them or they’re not good enough then the logical option would be to sell.

I guarantee you by the end of the window everyone on that list will either be on loan, sold for peanuts or still here, as usual then someone like Liverpool will sell a player who’s worse than Nketiah for 20M
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Re: Why can't we sell players?

Postby swipe right » Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:17 pm

So how much do you think Saka’s value dropped with that penalty miss? I’d say about 20-30 mil. He was doing so well through the tournament and probably would’ve peaked at around 100 mil and then fluffed his big moment. I’d say he’s worth about 70 mil right now.
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Re: Why can't we sell players?

Postby Highbury Hillbilly » Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:14 pm

swipe right wrote:So how much do you think Saka’s value dropped with that penalty miss? I’d say about 20-30 mil. He was doing so well through the tournament and probably would’ve peaked at around 100 mil and then fluffed his big moment. I’d say he’s worth about 70 mil right now.


Haaland must be worth a packet of chips then, 0 goals 0 assists at the Euros
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Re: Why can't we sell players?

Postby Zenith » Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:30 pm

TedLasso wrote:lol imagine thinking one missed pen would affect a market value that much
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Re: Why can't we sell players?

Postby swipe right » Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:33 pm

TedLasso wrote:lol imagine thinking one missed pen would affect a market value that much

Imagine if he’d have gone top bins with that. The last kick of the ball from the English side to win the Euros. Yeah, his value would’ve rocketed. Just our damn luck.
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Re: Why can't we sell players?

Postby DiamondGooner » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:14 pm

VCC wrote:Can't sell players because we are crap.

If we won the league everyone would want them and the value would be through the roof.


Pretty much, its not exactly rocket science.

This group of players have taken Arsenal, a once top 4 guaranteed club to 8th place and no Europe.

........... any one part of that, I'm sure other clubs don't want anything to do with them.
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Re: Why can't we sell players?

Postby Johnf » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:36 pm

I doubt that Saka hasn't, for one second, given a thought to his value.
He is to level headed for that, and a damn sight more intelligent than some here.
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Re: Why can't we sell players?

Postby swipe right » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:36 pm

TedLasso wrote:
swipe right wrote:
TedLasso wrote:lol imagine thinking one missed pen would affect a market value that much

Imagine if he’d have gone top bins with that. The last kick of the ball from the English side to win the Euros. Yeah, his value would’ve rocketed. Just our damn luck.


1) It would have tied PKs at 3, not win it.
2) Honestly, who cares what Saka’s value is right now on the market when literally no one thinks we should sell him. Unless you do?

Every man has his price :sneaky:
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