2016-17 Squad analysis and Tactics

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Re: 2016-17 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Santi » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:24 pm

City's squad isn't really that impressive. Chelsea's is weak af beyond their first XI.

Good defensive backups: Sagna, Kompany
Good midfield backups: Gundogan, Toure
Good wing backups: None - potentially Sane but he's been nothing special
Good striker backups: None (I like Kelechi but he's not that good)

Chelsea

Good defensive backups: Zouma
Good midfield backups: Cesc
Good wing backups: Willian
Good striker backups: Batman

Arsenal

Good defensive backups: Gibbs (maybe Gabs but I'll let him slide)
Good midfield backups: Xhaka or Coq depending who starts (also Elneny and Ramsey are better than Chelsea's Loftus Cheek and Chalobah options but again let it slide)
Good wing backups: None, our starters are barely good enough. Lets put Welbeck here though.
Good striker backups: Giroud
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Re: 2016-17 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Angelito » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:48 pm

Just a random stat:

Arsenal 11 who've played most minutes this season (PL):

    1. Petr Cech 1890' (Has played every minute of the League season, so far)
    2. Alexis Sanchez 1786'
    3. Laurent Koscielny 1774'
    4. Nacho Monreal 1713'
    5. Mesut Ozil 1507'
    6. Hector Bellerin 1505'
    7. Theo Walcott 1347'
    8. Granit Xhaka 1318'
    9. Francis Coquelin 1198'
    10. Shkodran Mustafi 1195'
    11. Alex Iwobi 973'
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Re: 2016-17 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Pudpop » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:58 pm

That Monreal is annoying af. Hasn't deserved a guaranteed starting place this season
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Re: 2016-17 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby KG3 » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:34 pm

Angelito wrote:Just a random stat:

Arsenal 11 who've played most minutes this season (PL):

    1. Petr Cech 1890' (Has played every minute of the League season, so far)
    2. Alexis Sanchez 1786'
    3. Laurent Koscielny 1774'
    4. Nacho Monreal 1713'
    5. Mesut Ozil 1507'
    6. Hector Bellerin 1505'
    7. Theo Walcott 1347'
    8. Granit Xhaka 1318'
    9. Francis Coquelin 1198'
    10. Shkodran Mustafi 1195'
    11. Alex Iwobi 973'


So basically the team Wenger picks every game
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Re: 2016-17 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby ThisIsNotAnID » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:41 am

Maybe this can put to rest all the talks about Alexis as a striker:

http://statsbomb.com/2017/01/is-there-a ... esut-ozil/
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Re: 2016-17 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Santi » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:39 pm

Sanchez should be RW ideally but given our options he's still the best option for CF, fvck Ozil if he can't find him well enough, Sanchez scores on his own.
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Re: 2016-17 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby ThisIsNotAnID » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:57 pm

Mesüt wrote:Sanchez should be RW ideally but given our options he's still the best option for CF, fvck Ozil if he can't find him well enough, Sanchez scores on his own.

It's not that Ozil can't find him. Alexis simply doesn't possess the movement of a natural striker and also likes to drop deep in search of the ball. This congests Ozil's area, forcing Ozil to sometimes play ahead of Alexis which is not his ideal position.
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Re: 2016-17 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Angelito » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:40 pm

Thing is we could try:

Alexis - Welbeck - Lucas
Ozil

Or..

Alexis - Giroud - Lucas
Ozil


Giroud restricts our mobility in some ways, while Welbeck is a poorer finisher as compared to Giroud or Alexis. Alexis, finally, plays like a false #9 and he's not Messi.

Personally, I still prefer Alexis as a striker - provided that we play Lucas at RW as opposed to Theo, who's the definition of a limited player. He's (Theo) better off the bench in the final 30 - 40 minutes. That's the part we ignore. We may have the best central attacking midfield player in the world right now, and a world class forward in Alexis - but they're playing alongside Theo and Ox, and someone like Iwobi (who will be class someday, but he's still young). This season, our right flank has been a problem because Theo has transformed into a poacher (except for August and half of Sept.), and provides nothing building up. That's where Lucas, or even Welbz, may come handy.

Welbz is all action; Lucas' technique puts most of our players to shame.


Mesüt wrote:Sanchez should be RW ideally but given our options he's still the best option for CF, fvck Ozil if he can't find him well enough, Sanchez scores on his own.


Ozil's performance last season is soooooo criminally underrated. It's only second to van Persie this decade. Ideally, with another top quality striker (when Giroud was busy show-boating), we'd have won the League and Ozil would have had 25 assists minimum. Last season, Ozil was 10/10. We just couldn't push through because we only had Giroud, who was in awful form for half of the season.
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Re: 2016-17 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby KG3 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:30 pm

Angelito wrote:Thing is we could try:

Alexis - Welbeck - Lucas
Ozil

Or..

Alexis - Giroud - Lucas
Ozil


For a second there I though you were suggesting that Giroud and Welbeck should play as 10s to accommodate Ozil as a CF. :lol:
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Re: 2016-17 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby ThisIsNotAnID » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:47 pm

@Angelito

Isn't it better then to play Iwobi instead of Lucas since he plays more like a midfielder and contributes more to our build-up play and in maintaining possession?
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Re: 2016-17 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby KG3 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:16 pm

ThisIsNotAnID wrote:@Angelito

Isn't it better then to play Iwobi instead of Lucas since he plays more like a midfielder and contributes more to our build-up play and in maintaining possession?


No Iwobi has no end product
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Re: 2016-17 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Angelito » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:16 pm

ThisIsNotAnID wrote:@Angelito

Isn't it better then to play Iwobi instead of Lucas since he plays more like a midfielder and contributes more to our build-up play and in maintaining possession?


In principal, that's how it is. Yet, Iwobi isn't as experienced or skillful as we'd like him to be. I have no doubt that he will reach a certain echelon someday, but as of now - I think we shouldn't put the weight on him.

Lucas, on the other hand, has the technique, composure, and finishing we'd desire from a winger. However, it depends on who we're playing. If we're playing Barca, someone with Iwobi's attributes would be more helpful. Notice that I didn't say Iwobi himself. If we're playing in the Prem against most oppositions, Lucas would be more helpful. That would be further accentuated if we could finish or create more chances than we have been creating or finishing. Lucas' movement allows us that.

Overall, I think we need a segregation between borderline awfulness that Theo provides as a winger (during the build-up) to the more astute build-up that Iwobi provides, or the efficient involvement that Lucas provides in the overall game play.
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Re: 2016-17 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Arsene Nose » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:42 pm

Would you blow the entire summer transfer budget on this one player? I would.
http://www.thesportbible.com/football/n ... g-20170125
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Re: 2016-17 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Pudpop » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:37 pm

Meh. Anything other than Antoine is a disappointment
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Re: 2016-17 Squad analysis and Tactics

Postby Arsene Nose » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:44 pm

Pudpop wrote:Meh. Anything other than Antoine is a disappointment

What would you prefer?
1. Sanchez as CF, Greizman on the flank
2. Auba as CF, Sanchez on the flank

I prefer 2.
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