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Re: What next for Carl Jenkinson?

Postby gooney » Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:17 pm

Wenget asked if the palace deal is fead. He said for us no. For him i dont know. How can anyone with any pride stay when the manager is desperate to get rid of you?
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Re: What next for Carl Jenkinson?

Postby Jedi » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:27 pm

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Guess who's going to be the last one standing lmao
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Re: What next for Carl Jenkinson?

Postby Mess » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:12 pm

Treat your players as if they were your sons, refuse to see their obvious flaws, wrongly thinking they're the best and can only turn out well, watch your club's progress grind to a halt. And to think this was supposed to be our core....Jesus...
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Re: What next for Carl Jenkinson?

Postby Marsbar100 » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:30 pm

All had talent, in the end wengers supposed magical prowess with young players was a myth
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Re: What next for Carl Jenkinson?

Postby DiamondGooner » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:35 pm

Jedi wrote:Image
Guess who's going to be the last one standing lmao



The cream always rises to the top.

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Re: What next for Carl Jenkinson?

Postby Mess » Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:37 pm

Marsbar100 wrote:All had talent, in the end wengers supposed magical prowess with young players was a myth


They had talent yes, ranging from limited to OK. All kids with no spine, no character and huge flaws in their game.
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Re: What next for Carl Jenkinson?

Postby Marsbar100 » Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:39 pm

Tbf to Wenger ox, Ramsey, Gibbs had a lot of injuries, Jack was a cokehead and jenkinson was could have been just a solid plan player at best
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Re: What next for Carl Jenkinson?

Postby Santi » Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:41 pm

Marsbar100 wrote:Tbf to Wenger ox, Ramsey, Gibbs had a lot of injuries, Jack was a cokehead and jenkinson was could have been just a solid plan player at best


Jenko was always pretty shit, pussy under pressure.
Ramsey - said enough.
Gibbs - should've been a decent backup but nobody taught him to defend. Pussy as well tbh.
Ox - doesn't have as much talent as he thinks he does tbh, could've been a decent winger had he not had so many injuries and just stuck to the basics. Wants to be a CM anyway.
Wilshere - the only one with true talent imo, injuries and his lifestyle/attitude f***ked his career.
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Re: What next for Carl Jenkinson?

Postby Sims » Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:42 pm

Jenks is living the dream of every arsenal fan
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Re: What next for Carl Jenkinson?

Postby Marsbar100 » Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:52 pm

Santi wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:Tbf to Wenger ox, Ramsey, Gibbs had a lot of injuries, Jack was a cokehead and jenkinson was could have been just a solid plan player at best


Jenko was always pretty shit, pussy under pressure.
Ramsey - said enough.
Gibbs - should've been a decent backup but nobody taught him to defend. Pussy as well tbh.
Ox - doesn't have as much talent as he thinks he does tbh, could've been a decent winger had he not had so many injuries and just stuck to the basics. Wants to be a CM anyway.
Wilshere - the only one with true talent imo, injuries and his lifestyle/attitude f***ked his career.

Ramsey showed the most quality though in terms of doing it even if it was for one season maybe the only one Wenger failed with tbh.

Only thing the initial leg break affected Ramsey's natural ability, looks like he ran far less fluidly after, looked far less elegant on the ball, his brain and feet just weren't in sync the same, same with diaby imo, Eduardo was finished as a player after his injury to.

In a sense wenger was unlucky with Ramsey just like diaby and Wilshire all could have been world class without injuries, post injuries though I would say Ramsey is maybe the only one he failed with because he still could have been a great box to box player if he controlled his ego.
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Re: What next for Carl Jenkinson?

Postby Angelito » Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:38 pm

Diaby and Wilshere would have been world class without those injuries. No doubt. In the case of Wilshere, his lifestyle and attitude hurt him further, as Mesut said.

I think Marsbar has a point on Ramsey. While Ramsey isn't as comfortable on the ball as Wilshere or Diaby are/were, that horrific injury no doubt played a role in shaping him as the player he would later be.

Ramsey was highly rated as a youngster. He also couldn't fulfill his potential, sadly, and 13/14 did more harm to him than good. When Diaby and Wilshere starred for us, they did so as midfielders playing as midfielders. Ramsey's 13/14 was all about goals and assists. If you look at it, Ramsey has been average throughout his career as a pure CM.

I don't think ego is the issue with Ramsey. I just don't understand how Wenger couldn't talk to Ramsey about his role because it always seemed like Ramsey played like someone who received no instructions or guidance. Now I know Wenger had a laissez faire attitude when it came to specific instructions, but Ramsey was the only odd one out there. It got to the point where Ramsey played as a CF for us. Instead of working with Ramsey, or selling him it wasn't working, Wenger shunted Ramsey to the right, which honestly is a better position for Ramsey because he simply doesn't have the skill set of a top CM. But it was also one of those Wenger decisions that had become a staple of him.

I believe if Ramsey had played under Klopp, Simeone, or Sarri, he'd have grown to become a far better midfielder. Ramsey simply isn't a Wenger player.

I'll also say that Ramsey is a player who Wenger simply didn't know how to use. But Wenger's biggest managerial blunder is and will always be Arshavin. His mismanagement and undermining of a world class player was probably the first glance into his waning credentials, in hindsight - although, the rumor mill did have it that Arshavin was Gazidis' statement signing when Wenger didn't want to sign him at all.
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Re: What next for Carl Jenkinson?

Postby PairyGrows » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:13 am

Having seen that (now infamous) photo of our "British Core", I've been filled with an overwhelming urge to recap the careers of its members.

Carl Jenkinson: During his time at Arsenal, Jenko featured sporadically in the first team. He spent two seasons on loan with West Ham - the second of which was ruined by an injury which subsequently ended his West Ham career as well. He hasn't made an appearance for Arsenal in almost two years (since November 30th, 2016); and, despite him still being an Arsenal player, it's only a matter of time before Jenko leaves the club.

Aaron Ramsey: Arguably the most successful out of the famed "British Core", Ramsey played an instrumental role in ending our much-publicised trophy drought in the 2013-14 season. Since then his form has been more or less inconsistent (in large part due to injuries), and with the club having withdrawn their contract offer, it's fair to say Ramsey's time at Arsenal is up. For a moment he looked top-class. Only for a moment, though.

Jack Wilshere: When Wilshere burst on the scene, we thought we had unearthed a gem; a talisman who could carry us forward for years to come. We called him 'Mr Arsenal'; he was a Gooner through and through and he showcased unbelievable potential. Then the injuries ruined his development. Now at West Ham, he's still struggling with his fitness. With Jack Wilshere we'll always be asking 'what if?' His potential was truly astronomical, making the way his career has spanned out all the more disappointing.

Kieran Gibbs: Originally thought of as Gael Clichy's replacement, Gibbs became a regular starter until he was displaced by Nacho Monreal. He never looked good enough to fight for his place, and he spent the rest of his Arsenal career as a squad player. Now 29 and playing in the Championship for West Brom, it would be fair to say Gibbs never came close to Clichy's level.

Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain: Signed from Southampton in 2011, the Ox displayed huge potential right from the start. Yet inconsistent displays and constant injuries held him back, and he never took the next step. Then, as he was finally showing signs of genuine progress, we sold him to Liverpool. The Ox has slipped quite far down the pecking order at Anfield, which hasn't been helped by him suffering (yet another) long-term injury. At 25, he can still take his game to the next level. Time will tell; however, I still maintain we've made the right decision.

In retrospect, the "British Core" have become a bit of a joke - and for a bloody good reason. Some of them (Ramsey, Wilshere, the Ox) had top-class talent while others (Jenko, Gibbs) only seemed to show mediocre potential at best. None of them grew into top performers or leaders they expected to be. Perhaps they might have made it had we managed their careers properly.

Oh well, we'll never know. Now it's time to look forward.
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Re: What next for Carl Jenkinson?

Postby thebigbangtheo » Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:47 am

The last three posts above are very well balanced and reasoned with valid points and observations at their core. Kudos all round. I only wish that 90% of GW was like that instead of the other way round.
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Re: What next for Carl Jenkinson?

Postby Angelito » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:01 am

Guess who's back. :D
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Re: What next for Carl Jenkinson?

Postby Santi » Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:02 am

Plz retire
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