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Re: Héctor Bellerín (24)

Postby arsenalpan » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:36 pm

Angelito wrote:
Tony_Adams wrote:Ideally suited to the wing in a formation with a back three:

Alexis--Giroud
Ozil
Chamberlain--Xhaka--Ramsey--Bellerin
Koscielny--Mustafi--Gabriel
Cech


I like this. It will work only if Ramsey realizes that he's a CM and not a striker. Sadly, our manager can't ensure that.

If he could play like Khedira, this team will be up by one level.
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Re: Héctor Bellerín (24)

Postby Arsenal Tone » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:36 pm

Angelito wrote:
Tony_Adams wrote:Ideally suited to the wing in a formation with a back three:

Alexis--Giroud
Ozil
Chamberlain--Xhaka--Ramsey--Bellerin
Koscielny--Mustafi--Gabriel
Cech


I like this. It will work only if Ramsey realizes that he's a CM and not a striker. Sadly, our manager can't ensure that.


Thing is, with three CBs behind him, he can do that without leaving us short of cover for the defence.
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Re: Héctor Bellerín (24)

Postby ALLCAPS_ » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:39 pm

EliteKiller wrote:
Tony_Adams wrote:Ideally suited to the wing in a formation with a back three:

Alexis--Giroud
Ozil
Chamberlain--Xhaka--Ramsey--Bellerin
Koscielny--Mustafi--Gabriel
Cech


Yup .... back three with attacking wing-backs is the way to go .... and that's where Bellerin would shine .....

I like the look of that.

Lwb, cb, cm, st in the summer suited to that formation that could be pretty nice.

Never gonna happen sadly
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Re: Héctor Bellerín (24)

Postby Marsbar100 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:47 pm

I prefer Chelseas version of 3 at the back because they have two top wide players in Pedro and hazard plus Moses whilst isn't a top winger he use to be a wide player and is a far better attacking wide player than bellerin.
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Re: Héctor Bellerín (24)

Postby Marsbar100 » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:51 pm

.................... Sanchez................theo

............Ozil

................... Xhaka.............Elneny

Ox........................................................bellerin


......................Gabriel.........Kos...........Mustafi

Prefer something like this
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Re: Héctor Bellerín (24)

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Re: Héctor Bellerín (24)

Postby GoonerAlexandre » Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:03 pm

"It’s also true that we have a few games in hand, we are a few games behind some of the teams on top of us. But we knew this year it was going to be very competitive. There were six or seven teams that were going to compete for the Champions League spots.
"We knew that it was going to get tough. It was going to be one of the hardest leagues probably in the last few years. We knew it could happen but we still have loads of games for us to recover and make it into the top four.
"I think it’s just ours for the taking."

Read more at http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archiv ... wXLdtws.99

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Literally does.

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Re: Héctor Bellerín (24)

Postby Angelito » Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:17 pm

Tony_Adams wrote:
Angelito wrote:
Tony_Adams wrote:Ideally suited to the wing in a formation with a back three:

Alexis--Giroud
Ozil
Chamberlain--Xhaka--Ramsey--Bellerin
Koscielny--Mustafi--Gabriel
Cech


I like this. It will work only if Ramsey realizes that he's a CM and not a striker. Sadly, our manager can't ensure that.


Thing is, with three CBs behind him, he can do that without leaving us short of cover for the defence.


For a 3-5-2 to work, you'd need 2 competent CMs who play like B2B players, with one sitting back when the other goes to attack. We already have Ozil who will have the free role behind the strikers. Xhaka is effective when he has space and time. Ramsey must work his shoes off to allow Xhaka the space and time, whilst ensuring we're not exposed. I think Elneny is more equipped for such a role.

The FBs, in this system, have the license to bomb forward and at such times, Ramsey and Xhaka will have to stay back to cover for them. Chambo and Bellerin are both attack-minded players. I'd be confident under any other manager because frankly, this seems to be a formation to get the best out of our players. With Wenger in charge, we'd be so naive - Ramsey playing alongside Giroud, Alexis trying to do all by himself, Ozil playing as a CM, Xhaka not having clue in the middle, and the likes of Bellerin/Chambo getting caught out of position, we might be worse off. All these players occupying each other's position will only create a meddled setup.

During such times, even 3 at the back won't help. It's all about drilling our players and ensuring they understand their roles. Would you trust Wenger to do that? I don't.

Have you noticed that we don't seem to have as big problems when Cazorla is playing? Simply put, when Cazorla is there, Ozil doesn't have to drop deep, and Coq doesn't have to play as a B2B player. Santi's passing, close control, dribbling, vision, and ambidexterity allows Coq to stay simple and Ozil to hold the fort in the final third - where he's most effective. We need a world class CM to replace Cazorla if anything.
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Re: Héctor Bellerín (24)

Postby Arsenal Tone » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:17 pm

^ good points
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Re: Héctor Bellerín (24)

Postby MecurialGooner » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:20 pm

After his latest comments, I hope he's sold ASAP. can't deal with this f**king loser.
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Re: Héctor Bellerín (24)

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:25 pm

Bellerin as a wing back would be great, but I don't see Wenger going with it. Hector has been moving inside far more this season by design. He should have scored with that center box run on Wed. Theo has been much better at covering for Bellerin this year as well.

Ox, not sure he is willing to track back hard enough to make the switch as Moses did. I have always liked him in the Ramsey central role. he is always more engaged and plays his best there.
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Re: Héctor Bellerín (24)

Postby Sims » Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:12 am

He's been dogshit for a while now but he's needed surgery on his ankle for months. Really ain't his fault he's playing whilst injured
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Re: Héctor Bellerín (24)

Postby coach8smallball » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:30 pm

Angelito wrote:
Tony_Adams wrote:
Angelito wrote:
Tony_Adams wrote:Ideally suited to the wing in a formation with a back three:

Alexis--Giroud
Ozil
Chamberlain--Xhaka--Ramsey--Bellerin
Koscielny--Mustafi--Gabriel
Cech


I like this. It will work only if Ramsey realizes that he's a CM and not a striker. Sadly, our manager can't ensure that.


Thing is, with three CBs behind him, he can do that without leaving us short of cover for the defence.


For a 3-5-2 to work, you'd need 2 competent CMs who play like B2B players, with one sitting back when the other goes to attack. We already have Ozil who will have the free role behind the strikers. Xhaka is effective when he has space and time. Ramsey must work his shoes off to allow Xhaka the space and time, whilst ensuring we're not exposed. I think Elneny is more equipped for such a role.

The FBs, in this system, have the license to bomb forward and at such times, Ramsey and Xhaka will have to stay back to cover for them. Chambo and Bellerin are both attack-minded players. I'd be confident under any other manager because frankly, this seems to be a formation to get the best out of our players. With Wenger in charge, we'd be so naive - Ramsey playing alongside Giroud, Alexis trying to do all by himself, Ozil playing as a CM, Xhaka not having clue in the middle, and the likes of Bellerin/Chambo getting caught out of position, we might be worse off. All these players occupying each other's position will only create a meddled setup.

During such times, even 3 at the back won't help. It's all about drilling our players and ensuring they understand their roles. Would you trust Wenger to do that? I don't.

Have you noticed that we don't seem to have as big problems when Cazorla is playing? Simply put, when Cazorla is there, Ozil doesn't have to drop deep, and Coq doesn't have to play as a B2B player. Santi's passing, close control, dribbling, vision, and ambidexterity allows Coq to stay simple and Ozil to hold the fort in the final third - where he's most effective. We need a world class CM to replace Cazorla if anything.


in the 3-5-2, you'd be going to 3 players in the back that strictly defend. in a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3 you have 2 CB's that strictly defend.

we couldn't have any of those 3 bombing forward. just provide depth for support on the wings and change the point of attack if needed. I'd be satisfied with a mustafi/kos/monreal setup. and based on our current form (as much as I hate to admit), we'd be better off with the lamp post up top with alexis. when healthy, lucas could play left and either walnut/welbz on the right. ozil/elneny/xhaka or ramsey in the middle.

just my 2 cents worth....
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Re: Héctor Bellerín (24)

Postby Gunpowder » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:43 pm

Wenger shouldn't have frozen Debuchy out. This kid isn't that good
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Re: Héctor Bellerín (24)

Postby Nuggets » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:45 pm

Gunpowder wrote:Wenger shouldn't have frozen Debuchy out. This kid isn't that good


He is going backwards, he is getting like Walnut all speed and fook all else. :biggrin:
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