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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby Özim » Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:18 am

Martinez is gone now, so that’s not even a conversation really, I think the point really is that Leno needs to improve in some areas.

Basic error at the weekend and feel he’s started the season slowly.

Agree with PNG about Ceballos, Xhaka and Luiz best no the root cause which lead to the Leno error, but that’s on the manager and he insists on playing Xhaka and Luiz week in week out despite their obvious flaws and mistakes.

This blind spot for substandard players worries me, that’s something Wenger also had.
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby theHotHead » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:30 am

Well when people refuse to face reality let stats help them see the truth.

2020/21 season
Emiliano Martinez - 4 games, 3 clean sheets, 4 wins, 14 saves, 2 goals conceded, 0 punches, 5 high claims, 3 catches.
Berndt Leno - 5 games, 1 clean sheet, 3 wins, 14 saves, 6 goals conceded, 0 punches, 2 high claims, 2 catches.

Lets check last season
Emiliano Martinez - 9 games, 3 clean sheets, 5 wins, 34 saves, 9 goals conceded, 1 punch, 8 high claims, 4 catches.
Berndt Leno - 30 games, 7 clean sheets, 9 wins, 113 saves, 39 goals conceded, 17 punches, 17 high claims, 11 catches.

Now, consider in the 2020/21 season, Martinez is playing for Aston Villa, a team that stayed up through the skin of their teeth last season, there is no argument that he is playing behind worse quality players than us, his stats are convincingly better than Leno's. During last season the stats bear EXACTLY THE SAME data, that Martinez gets more clean sheets, the team therefore wins more games, made roughly the same number of saves as Leno, concedes fewer goals, punches the ball far far less and is much more dominant in the air, as seen by the number of high claims (all relative to Leno's numbers).

Why is this even an argument, Martinez is comfortably out-performing Leno. I understand the argument for keeping Leno and for selling Martinez, the fact it funded the Partey purchase justifies it. But don't try to make out Leno is on a par with Martinez - or better than him, that argument doesn't wash.
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby Ach » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:05 pm

Thank god gw wasn't around in 97/98.

Manninger better than Seaman would be doing the rounds.
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby Santi » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:10 pm

Martínez was comfortably better in the short spell we saw here. Only question is whether he could and can keep it up long term.

Arsenal gambled on ‘no’ and we’re left with a good keeper who played really well before his injury. Hopefully can get back to that level and stop these poor parries.
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby Ach » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:13 pm

It's not even like he parries long range shots, then I'd say it's a problem. These are shots from barely any distance and he's produced great saves.

The Liverpool one still makes me laugh to this day how anyone can blame him. Great save.

But but mr one month is better.
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby Power n Glory » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:22 pm

Özim wrote:Martinez is gone now, so that’s not even a conversation really, I think the point really is that Leno needs to improve in some areas.

Basic error at the weekend and feel he’s started the season slowly.

Agree with PNG about Ceballos, Xhaka and Luiz best no the root cause which lead to the Leno error, but that’s on the manager and he insists on playing Xhaka and Luiz week in week out despite their obvious flaws and mistakes.

This blind spot for substandard players worries me, that’s something Wenger also had.



Yep. Hoping it's not a decision we regret.

Regarding the team selection thing....it will eventually start to grate if Aretat keeps on getting the wrong combinations. The Aubameyang thing is a bit of a worry. With Xhaka, over the last few games he's been subbed or left on the bench so hopefully that means Partey will take his place soon.
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby theHotHead » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:07 pm

Ach wrote:Thank god gw wasn't around in 97/98.

Manninger better than Seaman would be doing the rounds.

You can either embrace new tech and modernise or you can live in the past and hanker to days of old.

Actually I am being a bit toungue in cheek, I refuse to modernise in so many ways, new tech/modernisation sucks in a few areas of life.
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby Dubs4Sam » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:27 pm

Martinez is like that injured player you pine for when they are out, as they would have been the one who would have saved us from losing.

This has been done to death we needed money for the Partey and he was unexpected financial asset we cashed in on.
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby Power n Glory » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:33 pm

Dubs4Sam wrote:Martinez is like that injured player you pine for when they are out, as they would have been the one who would have saved us from losing.

This has been done to death we needed money for the Partey and he was unexpected financial asset we cashed in on.


Seems like it. I remember last year when Bellerin was out injured I heard claims that he'd be key to our success. Absence makes the heart grow fonder.
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby theHotHead » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:36 pm

Bellerin became a better player while being out injured than he was before he got injured :lol:
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby Ach » Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:58 pm

King of getting better whilst being injured is undoubtedly Santi Cazorla.

Jack wilshere the Prince
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby yadunoe » Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:39 pm

leno needs to command his box alot better and parrie his shots away fromt he danger zone he loves to parrie instead of catching the ball.
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby Nuggets » Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:25 pm

We fcuked up big time by selling Martinez and we are going to regret it.
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby Ach » Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:35 pm

f***ked up by selling the inferior keeper?
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby Nuggets » Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:14 pm

Ach wrote:f***ked up by selling the inferior keeper?

No fcuked up by keeping the inferior keeper!
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