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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby theHotHead » Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:45 pm

If Kroenke doesn't care about Arteta costing him millions ...... it doesn't bother me, so long as we are able to buy players.
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby Angelito » Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:47 pm

DiamondGooner wrote:........... but you also can't allow a keeper to be a liability as well.

Winning games should be our first and foremost priority, that success will bring money in itself.

Worrying about tanking your players value is why we were stuck with players like Xhaka and Mustafi.


Leno is far from a liability. Arteta knew what he had when he opted for Leno over Martínez. A phenomenal shot-stopper, a quiet guy, someone not with the energy of Emi, nor the ability with the ball on his feet, but with better instincts.

We can't complain about mediocrity, whilst we continue to defend it. That's the problem with Arsenal fans.

Arteta isn't simply a head coach here. He is a manager. He has a responsibility towards the financial side as well.

We've seen it all too often with him. As soon as some player falls out of favor under Arteta, they become worthless here.

That £150m loan isn't going to pay itself. Nor is Kroenke an Abramovich.

It will reach a point where we'd have to sell Saka and/or ESR to balance the books. That would bring us back to square one.

The situations with Xhaka and Mustafi isn't relevant here. Xhaka is Arteta's main man. Wenger wanted to sell Mustafi after a season. Heck, If you believe the reports, Arteta offered Mustafi a contract extension.

People only look at what we've spent. Not, how we've spent. Arteta is a manager who behaves like a head coach and Edu is a TD who doesn't want to assume all the responsibilities.

If a huge club like Barcelona are in a financial puddle, Arsenal won't be an exception. Unlike Barca, winning isn't imperative here. However, from fans' perspective, if all that's left is competing for top-8, well, that's a bummer.

Kroenkes bought a "self-sustainable" club. Since Wenger left, there is nothing self-sustainable about Arsenal. If this continues, we are set to be Everton under Moyes.
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby VCC » Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:56 pm

Angelito wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:........... but you also can't allow a keeper to be a liability as well.

Winning games should be our first and foremost priority, that success will bring money in itself.

Worrying about tanking your players value is why we were stuck with players like Xhaka and Mustafi.


Leno is far from a liability. Arteta knew what he had when he opted for Leno over Martínez. A phenomenal shot-stopper, a quiet guy, someone not with the energy of Emi, nor the ability with the ball on his feet, but with better instincts.

We can't complain about mediocrity, whilst we continue to defend it. That's the problem with Arsenal fans.

Arteta isn't simply a head coach here. He is a manager. He has a responsibility towards the financial side as well.

We've seen it all too often with him. As soon as some player falls out of favor under Arteta, they become worthless here.

That £150m loan isn't going to pay itself. Nor is Kroenke an Abramovich.

It will reach a point where we'd have to sell Saka and/or ESR to balance the books. That would bring us back to square one.

The situations with Xhaka and Mustafi isn't relevant here. Xhaka is Arteta's main man. Wenger wanted to sell Mustafi after a season. Heck, If you believe the reports, Arteta offered Mustafi a contract extension.

People only look at what we've spent. Not, how we've spent. Arteta is a manager who behaves like a head coach and Edu is a TD who doesn't want to assume all the responsibilities.

If a huge club like Barcelona are in a financial puddle, Arsenal won't be an exception. Unlike Barca, winning isn't imperative here. However, from fans' perspective, if all that's left is competing for top-8, well, that's a bummer.

Kroenkes bought a "self-sustainable" club. Since Wenger left, there is nothing self-sustainable about Arsenal. If this continues, we are set to be Everton under Moyes.

Imo was not sustainable under AW either, although i admit he held it together longer than i thought it would.
I agree with the most part on Arteta and Edu. Project youth needs the right mentors AW had them and sold them initially Arteta does not have them imo
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:31 pm

Angelito wrote:
DiamondGooner wrote:........... but you also can't allow a keeper to be a liability as well.

Winning games should be our first and foremost priority, that success will bring money in itself.

Worrying about tanking your players value is why we were stuck with players like Xhaka and Mustafi.


Leno is far from a liability. Arteta knew what he had when he opted for Leno over Martínez. A phenomenal shot-stopper, a quiet guy, someone not with the energy of Emi, nor the ability with the ball on his feet, but with better instincts.

We can't complain about mediocrity, whilst we continue to defend it. That's the problem with Arsenal fans.

Arteta isn't simply a head coach here. He is a manager. He has a responsibility towards the financial side as well.

We've seen it all too often with him. As soon as some player falls out of favor under Arteta, they become worthless here.

That £150m loan isn't going to pay itself. Nor is Kroenke an Abramovich.

It will reach a point where we'd have to sell Saka and/or ESR to balance the books. That would bring us back to square one.

The situations with Xhaka and Mustafi isn't relevant here. Xhaka is Arteta's main man. Wenger wanted to sell Mustafi after a season. Heck, If you believe the reports, Arteta offered Mustafi a contract extension.

People only look at what we've spent. Not, how we've spent. Arteta is a manager who behaves like a head coach and Edu is a TD who doesn't want to assume all the responsibilities.

If a huge club like Barcelona are in a financial puddle, Arsenal won't be an exception. Unlike Barca, winning isn't imperative here. However, from fans' perspective, if all that's left is competing for top-8, well, that's a bummer.

Kroenkes bought a "self-sustainable" club. Since Wenger left, there is nothing self-sustainable about Arsenal. If this continues, we are set to be Everton under Moyes.



I think the last couple of transfer windows have directly addressed what you are talking about. I can not see anything other than the asset value of these young players increasing substantially.

You can take individual cases - like Leno - where clearly we are not going to get the money we paid for him or anything like it. His value will of course be decreasing whilst he is on the bench, but you also have to look a the whole. When you compare the position we were in a couple of years back we are in a far better position in terms of the future increases in player value.

Some of our younger players WILL move on, for sure.
We will only be back to square one if we don't replace them properly.
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby Fran Solo » Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:45 am

Wait a minute, Leno. You didn't look committed to the club months before Ramsdale came.

"I don't know what will come in the future, but I'm open to everything. Maybe for a new adventure or to stay at Arsenal."

https://www.arsenal.com/news/arsenal-be ... our-target
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby swipe right » Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:00 am

Very soon we could have a world class eleven of players Arteta has fallen out with.
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby jayramfootball » Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:21 am

Fran Solo wrote:Wait a minute, Leno. You didn't look committed to the club months before Ramsdale came.

"I don't know what will come in the future, but I'm open to everything. Maybe for a new adventure or to stay at Arsenal."

https://www.arsenal.com/news/arsenal-be ... our-target


Yeah, he does seem to 'wonder' about leaving quite a bit.
He won't need to wonder much longer.
He's not a good player for the dressing room. I doubt he will get much respect for moaning to the press.
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby Angelito » Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:50 pm

Just for the record, Aaron lad did what Leno has been doing for us all along.

Ramsdale was probably our MOTM against 'Pool like Leno was countless times when he saved us from further humiliation.

We've had 3 stellar goalkeepes over the past few years. It's not their fault that they've had to play for a side with a tepid midfield.

If a club wins the Ballon d'Or for banishing Ozil, whilst having the one of the worst creative stats in the Prem, you probably deserve what you get.
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby KG3 » Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:28 pm

swipe right wrote:Very soon we could have a world class eleven of players Arteta has fallen out with.

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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby Losmeister » Wed Dec 22, 2021 2:43 am

Leno is the Xhaka between the posts
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby Losmeister » Wed Dec 22, 2021 2:51 am

BTW, Angelito's thinking on Leno is baffling to me...

we disagree HUGELY

not gonna try to convert or argue or insult...

its interesting since his analysis I often find pretty spot on...
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby Ach » Wed Dec 22, 2021 2:57 am

Another good game.
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby ag6789 » Wed Dec 22, 2021 3:03 am

Good, but as said before, needs to command his area better, and work on his ability as a sweeper behind the B4.
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:45 am

Out too late for their goal.
Went to ground too soon also.
Distribution not very good.
One good save.

Did just ok for a Number 2 goalkeeper
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Re: Bernd Leno (1)

Postby Ach » Wed Dec 22, 2021 7:50 am

jayramfootball wrote:Out too late for their goal.
Went to ground too soon also.
Distribution not very good.
One good save.

Did just ok for a Number 2 goalkeeper

Troll trolling. It's a new day. Same old crap
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