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theHotHead wrote:

BS221B wrote:

Mike Dean wrote:

Mesüt wrote:Sanchez >>>>>>> Ozil & Wenger


as much as I love Mesut, if he's planting his flag in Wengerland then he can go with him.

Sanchez is gone if Ozil leaves.

He wont if we sell Ozil and buy one of his Chilean teammates.

Iwobi has shown he is better and more dynamic number 10 than Ozil anyway. Wouldnt mind if we buy Vargas.

How ?

This season:
Ozil - 22 starts, 9 goals, 6 assists.
Iwobi - 19 starts, 3 goals, 4 assists.

The stats suggest Iwobi is not better. Dynamic ? Iwobi is faster for sure, but I wouldn't necessarily say that makes him more dynamic, Ozil finds space for himself beautifully, his movement does not catch the eye, its more David Silva-like.

Praise Pablo wrote:It seems this guy only performs when we play teams Arsenal should (and mostly do) be beating anyway, even during the 'banter' era.

I love the guy but im sick off him going missing when we need him the most.

Praise Pablo wrote:It seems this guy only performs when we play teams Arsenal should (and mostly do) be beating anyway, even during the 'banter' era.

I love the guy but im sick off him going missing when we need him the most.

Angelito wrote:

Praise Pablo wrote:It seems this guy only performs when we play teams Arsenal should (and mostly do) be beating anyway, even during the 'banter' era.

I love the guy but im sick off him going missing when we need him the most.

Angelito wrote:

theHotHead wrote:

diesel wrote:Oh the reason he's here is wenger is it? Not the 60,000 mugs that sing his name, pay his wages and who suffer, come hell or high water for the club we love? Well, fvck off then and any player that doesn't want to give everything can fvck off as well. Ambition and passion to be successful for the badge and being frustrated when it doesn't happen I have no problem, but someone who is in any job only for his immediate manager and come to that an immediate manager who no longer has the ruthlessness or desire to be a true winner shows a lack of ambition and disrespect to my (our) club. They can both p*ss off.

I never really used to look at it like that but you are absolutely right; if a player is only here because of the manager, if that player feels no affinity or loyalty to the fans and the club he represents he is nothing but a charlatan, a mercenary.

I love Ozil, but to be honest if the manager is more important to him than the fans and the club itself then .. loving Ozil will be much harder for me

Understand one thing: Ozil rejected David Moyes' ManU and PSG to come to Arsenal because he believed in Wenger's philosophy.

Now, consider this - wouldn't he be concerned who'd replace Wenger if he retires at the end of the season? He rejected Moyes because obviously, he didn't trust Moyes at ManU. And, he trusted Wenger's vision because, of course, Wenger is a superior manager but also has a history of assembling great teams in the past.

As a player, it's completely normal to behave in that manner. Let's say our board lose their mind and hire Roy Hodgson. If you're an Ozil or an Alexis, what would you feel? Precisely.

Conversely, if Simeone, Allegri, Klopp (wishful thinking), et al join Arsenal, both Ozil and Alexis would be okay with that.

theHotHead wrote:

BS221B wrote:

Mike Dean wrote:

Mesüt wrote:Sanchez >>>>>>> Ozil & Wenger


as much as I love Mesut, if he's planting his flag in Wengerland then he can go with him.

Sanchez is gone if Ozil leaves.

He wont if we sell Ozil and buy one of his Chilean teammates.

Iwobi has shown he is better and more dynamic number 10 than Ozil anyway. Wouldnt mind if we buy Vargas.

How ?

This season:
Ozil - 22 starts, 9 goals, 6 assists.
Iwobi - 19 starts, 3 goals, 4 assists.

The stats suggest Iwobi is not better. Dynamic ? Iwobi is faster for sure, but I wouldn't necessarily say that makes him more dynamic, Ozil finds space for himself beautifully, his movement does not catch the eye, its more David Silva-like.

ThisIsNotAnID wrote:

theHotHead wrote:

BS221B wrote:

Mike Dean wrote:

Mesüt wrote:Sanchez >>>>>>> Ozil & Wenger


as much as I love Mesut, if he's planting his flag in Wengerland then he can go with him.

Sanchez is gone if Ozil leaves.

He wont if we sell Ozil and buy one of his Chilean teammates.

Iwobi has shown he is better and more dynamic number 10 than Ozil anyway. Wouldnt mind if we buy Vargas.

How ?

This season:
Ozil - 22 starts, 9 goals, 6 assists.
Iwobi - 19 starts, 3 goals, 4 assists.

The stats suggest Iwobi is not better. Dynamic ? Iwobi is faster for sure, but I wouldn't necessarily say that makes him more dynamic, Ozil finds space for himself beautifully, his movement does not catch the eye, its more David Silva-like.

Why are you even trying to argue that Ozil is better than Iwobi?
It's actually insulting to Ozil.

NJ_Gunner wrote:People on here seriously comparing Iwobi to Özil? How delusional are some of you?

NJ_Gunner wrote:People on here seriously comparing Iwobi to Özil? How delusional are some of you?

Goonerz wrote:

NJ_Gunner wrote:People on here seriously comparing Iwobi to Özil? How delusional are some of you?

I think It's called having an opinion, every single person / fan has their own opinion when it comes to players. You don't expect everyone to just jump on the Ozil bandwagon just because his biggest fans say so. People watch football, look at formations, players, managers etc and come to different analysis / interpretations. That's the beauty of human nature. People are all different (Different tastes etc).