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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby KG3 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:27 pm

swipe right wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
VCC wrote:
VCC wrote:Lol how the Ozalists will grasp at any thread at all to keep face

And before you jump on what I have written ponder this,
What is the difference between the defenders when Adam's played behind Bergkamp, and the defenders playing behind Ozil.

Well there are a few points I will make.

Firstly the defenders were better during Bergkamp's era, that should be obviously clear to everyone. In the midfield we played 4-4-2, personnel were Petit, Vieira, Ljungberg, Gilberto and possibly Flamini (can't remember when he joined). That set of midfielders profided infinitely more and better defensive cover than the half players Ozil has been surrounded by during his time at Arsenal. Look at who Ozil had behind him, Rosicky, Arteta, Wilshere, Ramsey, Cazorla, shit Flamini, Coquelin, xhaka, Elneny !

Be interested to know what answer you wwere fishing for and what response you are preparing to give.

That team with Cesc, RVP, Ade, Nasri, Rosicky, Hleb, Diaby would have given the Invincibles a spanking had they reached their peak together.


Nasri and Hleb never played together as Hleb left for Barcelona a few days after Nasri joined.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby VCC » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:05 pm

theHotHead wrote:
VCC wrote:
VCC wrote:Lol how the Ozalists will grasp at any thread at all to keep face

And before you jump on what I have written ponder this,
What is the difference between the defenders when Adam's played behind Bergkamp, and the defenders playing behind Ozil.

Well there are a few points I will make.

Firstly the defenders were better during Bergkamp's era, that should be obviously clear to everyone. In the midfield we played 4-4-2, personnel were Petit, Vieira, Ljungberg, Gilberto and possibly Flamini (can't remember when he joined). That set of midfielders profided infinitely more and better defensive cover than the half players Ozil has been surrounded by during his time at Arsenal. Look at who Ozil had behind him, Rosicky, Arteta, Wilshere, Ramsey, Cazorla, shit Flamini, Coquelin, xhaka, Elneny !

Be interested to know what answer you wwere fishing for and what response you are preparing to give.

Exactly
So with a shit defence behind him and a crap midfeild around him
What difference is Ozil going to make, dont awnser there is no need.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Power n Glory » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:34 pm

https://www.goal.com/en-kw/amp/news/ozi ... lrovbot3m0

George Graham enters the ring.
“It’s very difficult. The first thing you say is, ‘who is the person who sorted the contract?" the former Gunners boss told talkSPORT.

“Did the rest of the board see that contract and agree to it? That was a bad decision. We’ve got to try and get rid of him and pay half his wages if he goes to another club, but even then it’s too expensive."

Graham added on Ozil being the wrong fit for Arteta's set-up: “He’s got to be in a team that’s dominating games and he’s got to be on the ball as much as possible.

“Without the ball, just no. He is definitely lacking, not even at the top level. Without the ball he’s not good enough. With the ball he can be good enough, but he has to be in a good team.

“He was up and down like a yo-yo under Arsene Wenger. He obviously isn’t playing into the new manager’s style. You play when you’ve got the ball but you also play when you haven’t got possession. He’s just not up to the standard that Arteta wants.”
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby aniym » Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:41 pm

Power n Glory wrote:https://www.goal.com/en-kw/amp/news/ozil-contract-arsenal-sell-midfielder-graham/18yphk48m9ykf1e4lrovbot3m0

George Graham enters the ring.
“Without the ball, just no. He is definitely lacking, not even at the top level. Without the ball he’s not good enough. With the ball he can be good enough, but he has to be in a good team.

“He was up and down like a yo-yo under Arsene Wenger. He obviously isn’t playing into the new manager’s style. You play when you’ve got the ball but you also play when you haven’t got possession. He’s just not up to the standard that Arteta wants.”


This might be the only take I've ever seen from a coach/pundit/player that acknowledges that Ozil was pretty inconsistent under Wenger as well.

Much of the Ozil discussion from pundits always seems to accept the premise that Wenger had Ozil playing amazingly and he fell off right after 2018. That's simply not true, he was inconsistent for long spells of time, even with the positional freedom that Wenger let the top players have.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:50 pm

An obvious huge mistake to exclude him from the squad.
What a mess.
All on Arteta - pressure is on him to get the team playing creatively. Only a matter of time before the players turn on him.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby swipe right » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:49 pm

Power n Glory wrote:https://www.goal.com/en-kw/amp/news/ozil-contract-arsenal-sell-midfielder-graham/18yphk48m9ykf1e4lrovbot3m0

George Graham enters the ring.
“It’s very difficult. The first thing you say is, ‘who is the person who sorted the contract?" the former Gunners boss told talkSPORT.

“Did the rest of the board see that contract and agree to it? That was a bad decision. We’ve got to try and get rid of him and pay half his wages if he goes to another club, but even then it’s too expensive."

Graham added on Ozil being the wrong fit for Arteta's set-up: “He’s got to be in a team that’s dominating games and he’s got to be on the ball as much as possible.

“Without the ball, just no. He is definitely lacking, not even at the top level. Without the ball he’s not good enough. With the ball he can be good enough, but he has to be in a good team.

“He was up and down like a yo-yo under Arsene Wenger. He obviously isn’t playing into the new manager’s style. You play when you’ve got the ball but you also play when you haven’t got possession. He’s just not up to the standard that Arteta wants.”

Enter the bloke who sold Andy Cole after one game for being too lazy. How’d that work out?
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Tony Adams » Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:48 am

Power n Glory wrote:https://www.goal.com/en-kw/amp/news/ozil-contract-arsenal-sell-midfielder-graham/18yphk48m9ykf1e4lrovbot3m0

George Graham enters the ring.
“It’s very difficult. The first thing you say is, ‘who is the person who sorted the contract?" the former Gunners boss told talkSPORT.

“Did the rest of the board see that contract and agree to it? That was a bad decision. We’ve got to try and get rid of him and pay half his wages if he goes to another club, but even then it’s too expensive."

Graham added on Ozil being the wrong fit for Arteta's set-up: “He’s got to be in a team that’s dominating games and he’s got to be on the ball as much as possible.

“Without the ball, just no. He is definitely lacking, not even at the top level. Without the ball he’s not good enough. With the ball he can be good enough, but he has to be in a good team.

“He was up and down like a yo-yo under Arsene Wenger. He obviously isn’t playing into the new manager’s style. You play when you’ve got the ball but you also play when you haven’t got possession. He’s just not up to the standard that Arteta wants.”
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby swipe right » Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:55 am

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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:18 am

swipe right wrote:Enjoy...
https://youtu.be/pb4KXYQZVq4


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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:22 pm

VCC wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
VCC wrote:
VCC wrote:Lol how the Ozalists will grasp at any thread at all to keep face

And before you jump on what I have written ponder this,
What is the difference between the defenders when Adam's played behind Bergkamp, and the defenders playing behind Ozil.

Well there are a few points I will make.

Firstly the defenders were better during Bergkamp's era, that should be obviously clear to everyone. In the midfield we played 4-4-2, personnel were Petit, Vieira, Ljungberg, Gilberto and possibly Flamini (can't remember when he joined). That set of midfielders profided infinitely more and better defensive cover than the half players Ozil has been surrounded by during his time at Arsenal. Look at who Ozil had behind him, Rosicky, Arteta, Wilshere, Ramsey, Cazorla, shit Flamini, Coquelin, xhaka, Elneny !

Be interested to know what answer you wwere fishing for and what response you are preparing to give.

Exactly
So with a shit defence behind him and a crap midfeild around him
What difference is Ozil going to make, dont awnser there is no need.

Oh but I must.

Defensively we have improved, everyone knows that. Partey is the piece of the puzzle that fixes our midfield. Nobody is talking about perfection, I am saying the team we have right now is the best version Arsenal team we have had in the past 5 years. We are able to defend now, Ozil needs to be brought back.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby swipe right » Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:57 am

King of social media, Mesut Ozil, now destroying another manager :rofll:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... Spain.html
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby EliteKiller » Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:40 am

How to make yourself so unpopular no manager will want you anywhere near them - it will become know as "doing an Ozil"
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:37 pm

EliteKiller wrote:How to make yourself so unpopular no manager will want you anywhere near them - it will become know as "doing an Ozil"

Thing is .. he is right though, he has been right all along with everything he has said. He has no intention of playing for Low again, hje probably won't play for Arsenal again - especially with Arteta cutting off his nose to spite his face. I don't think anyone else would have a problem employing Ozil, if Balotelli can walk into club after club, leaving a trail of destruction behind him by acting like a donkey, Ozil will have no probs going elsewhere.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby EliteKiller » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:00 pm

theHotHead wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:How to make yourself so unpopular no manager will want you anywhere near them - it will become know as "doing an Ozil"

Thing is .. he is right though, he has been right all along with everything he has said. He has no intention of playing for Low again, hje probably won't play for Arsenal again - especially with Arteta cutting off his nose to spite his face. I don't think anyone else would have a problem employing Ozil, if Balotelli can walk into club after club, leaving a trail of destruction behind him by acting like a donkey, Ozil will have no probs going elsewhere.


Being right isn't much good when at 32 your career is finished and you're sitting at home playing the "big-man" on the internet ... it's a tragic waste of talent, Ozil is long finished at International level and now probably top club level as well ... he's probably wasted what would have been the last five years of his career for what? a few more dollars and the ability to say "I was right" that's a sad end.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Angelito » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:49 pm

Lel. Germany has been poor for its high standards since the World Cup in 2018.

Wanna know who leads their assists chart?

Yep. One Mesut Ozil.

Ozil retired in 2018 from the national team. The second guy with most assists for them, Muller, was dropped by Low after the World Cup.

Top-5 assisters in international football?

1. Messi ~ 47
2. Neymar ~ 43
3. Ronaldo ~ 41
4. Ozil ~ 40
5. Cesc ~ 37

The next in the lot are Muller and de Bryune with 36 each.

Three of them in that list are three of the finest players of the last 15 years, whilst the other two are the greatest creators of their generation.

Most Germans wanted Low gone after the 2018 WC. Ozil Is absolutely correct in his appraisal of him. Heck, most of their fans believe that Germany won the World Cup in spite of Low and not because of Low. If Higuain weren't an absolutely pathetic bottler, Germany wouldn't even have that World Cup.

In addition, in Arsenal's modern history, only three players have notched more assists than Ozil (for Arsenal): Bergkamp, Henry, and Cesc.

It's about time we look at the existing crisis at Arsenal than find vindication in Arteta's treatment of one our finest players of the last decade.
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