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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby VCC » Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:57 am

jayramfootball wrote:
Dejan wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
Dejan wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:As I said it's a simple equation now.
Arteta has a successful season - which means top 4 - or it is entirely his fault that we didn't.
Managers who want to make huge decisions like this live or die by them.
No excuses.


What? We didnt finish top 4 in the last 2 season. you know, seasons in which ozil played.
So why its his fault if we dont manage to get top 4 just because ozil isnt selected?

We have seen last season that we play better without ozil, so including ozil in the PL squad will not improve us very much.

Really?? When did we see that?? Pray tell .....


The end of last season we dropped ozil. Then We beat liverpool, chelsea and manchester city and drew against leicester.

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We didn't beat them because we dropped Ozil. What an idiotic thing to say.
We won those games because we defended better and scored on the break.
That can work for some games - we've seen it happen to us many times.
Arteta has given us more organisation and a better defensive set up, but we're also as bad - or worse - than we have been in 30 years in terms of getting shots on goal.
It's not an approach that will get us top 4.
Quite simply we're not creating chances and our most creative player has been left out of the squad.

So you are saying we won the game by following a game plan, having the right personnel on the feild to obtain a result through a set plan shows if nothing else what can be acheived through a bunch willing to run through walls for each other. I dont see Ozil in that picture
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Dejan » Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:35 am

jayramfootball wrote:
Dejan wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
Dejan wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:As I said it's a simple equation now.
Arteta has a successful season - which means top 4 - or it is entirely his fault that we didn't.
Managers who want to make huge decisions like this live or die by them.
No excuses.


What? We didnt finish top 4 in the last 2 season. you know, seasons in which ozil played.
So why its his fault if we dont manage to get top 4 just because ozil isnt selected?

We have seen last season that we play better without ozil, so including ozil in the PL squad will not improve us very much.

Really?? When did we see that?? Pray tell .....


The end of last season we dropped ozil. Then We beat liverpool, chelsea and manchester city and drew against leicester.

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We didn't beat them because we dropped Ozil. What an idiotic thing to say.
We won those games because we defended better and scored on the break.
That can work for some games - we've seen it happen to us many times.
Arteta has given us more organisation and a better defensive set up, but we're also as bad - or worse - than we have been in 30 years in terms of getting shots on goal.
It's not an approach that will get us top 4.
Quite simply we're not creating chances and our most creative player has been left out of the squad.


Yes.. we defender better.... why is this? because we had a better fit in midfield that allowed us to defend better.
Sure, the win wasnt only because we dropped as there are more factors evolved. However, since we dropped ozil we beat liverpool, chelsea, manchester city and drew against leicester. You are truly naive, or ozil is so far up your ass that you are dispatched with reality, if u think that its just a coincidence that we won these games without ozil.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:01 am

Dejan wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Dejan wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
Dejan wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:As I said it's a simple equation now.
Arteta has a successful season - which means top 4 - or it is entirely his fault that we didn't.
Managers who want to make huge decisions like this live or die by them.
No excuses.


What? We didnt finish top 4 in the last 2 season. you know, seasons in which ozil played.
So why its his fault if we dont manage to get top 4 just because ozil isnt selected?

We have seen last season that we play better without ozil, so including ozil in the PL squad will not improve us very much.

Really?? When did we see that?? Pray tell .....


The end of last season we dropped ozil. Then We beat liverpool, chelsea and manchester city and drew against leicester.

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We didn't beat them because we dropped Ozil. What an idiotic thing to say.
We won those games because we defended better and scored on the break.
That can work for some games - we've seen it happen to us many times.
Arteta has given us more organisation and a better defensive set up, but we're also as bad - or worse - than we have been in 30 years in terms of getting shots on goal.
It's not an approach that will get us top 4.
Quite simply we're not creating chances and our most creative player has been left out of the squad.


Yes.. we defender better.... why is this? because we had a better fit in midfield that allowed us to defend better.
Sure, the win wasnt only because we dropped as there are more factors evolved. However, since we dropped ozil we beat liverpool, chelsea, manchester city and drew against leicester. You are truly naive, or ozil is so far up your ass that you are dispatched with reality, if u think that its just a coincidence that we won these games without ozil.


It's not me who is naive if you think we won these games because Ozil was not playing, fella.
I already told you that the reason we won these games is because we managed to defend particularly well across the back line and in CM in front of the back 4.
IN terms of defending out wide with midfielders we were not particularly good in any of those games. Our midfield was actually over run a lot of the time and we couldn't retain the ball.

Arteta has made us a more defensive team so we'll have games where we manage to keep a clean sheet and score some breakaway goals to win. But with no creativity in the team we're not getting top 4.
No matter how bad it gets, at least we don't have to put up with Wenger anymore
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:02 am

Dejan wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
Dejan wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:As I said it's a simple equation now.
Arteta has a successful season - which means top 4 - or it is entirely his fault that we didn't.
Managers who want to make huge decisions like this live or die by them.
No excuses.


What? We didnt finish top 4 in the last 2 season. you know, seasons in which ozil played.
So why its his fault if we dont manage to get top 4 just because ozil isnt selected?

We have seen last season that we play better without ozil, so including ozil in the PL squad will not improve us very much.

Really?? When did we see that?? Pray tell .....


The end of last season we dropped ozil. Then We beat liverpool, chelsea and manchester city and drew against leicester.

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Nonsense, I have already kayboshed the argument that we played better without Ozil.

In case you missed it, here is what I wrote again:
6) You claim we have been better without Ozil against the top teams, Ozil played 16 games under Arteta last season, 4 of which against the so-called Top 6 sides. With Ozil Played 4, 1 win, 1 draw, 2 loss, 5 goals for, 7 goals against. Without Ozil, we played 3 games, 1 win, 2 losses, 3 goals for, 6 against. Lets analyse this season. Well ... we have only played one Top 6 team, Liverpool, and we lost 3-1. So adding to the games from last season its without Ozil Played 4, won 1, lost 3, 4 goals for and 9 goals against.

Let point 6 sink in ........ Your point that we have been good against Top6 teams since Ozil has been dropped is proven to be total bollox friend.

7) You claim we have had a better defensive record overall, lets look at that. Under Arteta last season Ozil played 17 games, since the resumption of the league we played 10 games without Ozil. With Ozil, P17, W5, D8, L4, F25, A22, GD+3. Without Ozil P10, W5, D1, L4, F16, A12 GD+4. You would have to be making the biggest exaggeration to claim we have been better defensively during that period, especially when you consider Ozil's stats were from Arteta's first games as Arsenal manager versus having had a post Covid pre season period and Martinez on top form ! so that argument is dead.

In this new season we have played 4, won 3, lost 1, for 8, against 5, goal diff +3. Now, again, consider, we had a pre season so yet more time Arteta has had to drill the team. There is no proof whatsoever that, with Ozil in the team the numbers would be any worse than they are.

Let point 7 sink in, we were meant to be better defensively but the goal difference tells a different story. What stands out, in the periods that the team were afforded pre season periods with Arteta we have drawn far fewer games. Thats about all that has improved. In any case this season's sample size is too small to compare to last season's set of data.


And, bear in mind we LOST to Man City since I posted the above, so without Ozil our performances against top 6 teams is EVEN WORSE than it was. These are league games only.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:09 am

And before some smart dick tries to over-egg the significance of the victrories in the cup games, we all know the priority for clubs like Liverpool and Man City is the league and, when it comes to the league, we often see a different beast in those teams which is why we end up losing most of the time.

EDIT - if you don't believe me, since SAF left Man U in 2013, 7 seasons ago, there have been 14 domestic cup trophies that could have been won. Considering all league titles in that period have been won by Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool and Leicester, only 8 domestic cups have been won by Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea. 100% of league titles won by 4 clubs, 57% of domestic cups won by the 4 clubs.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby EliteKiller » Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:20 am

theHotHead wrote:And before some smart dick tries to over-egg the significance of the victrories in the cup games, we all know the priority for clubs like Liverpool and Man City is the league and, when it comes to the league, we often see a different beast in those teams which is why we end up losing most of the time.

EDIT - if you don't believe me, since SAF left Man U in 2013, 7 seasons ago, there have been 14 domestic cup trophies that could have been won. Considering all league titles in that period have been won by Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool and Leicester, only 8 domestic cups have been won by Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea. 100% of league titles won by 4 clubs, 57% of domestic cups won by the 4 clubs.


Just stop - Ozil is history move on
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:11 am

Mate, seriously, if people are going to come on here and post nonsense or comments that are untrue it is my duty to highlight it and challenge it. I would do the same for ANY player, not just Ozil.

You just don't like an anti Ozil argument being disproved.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Angelito » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:15 pm

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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby alexafc12 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:18 pm

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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:23 pm

Mesut Ozil, still making f***ers choke on their hatred.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Power n Glory » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:23 pm

alexafc12 wrote:"wherever possible use my voice against inhumanity and for justice"


They need that in America right now. MLS awaits.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Mustafi » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:46 pm

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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Marsbar100 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:48 pm

Should have used him, what is done is done
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Ach » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:50 pm

Love the guy. Brings a tear to the eye
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby UFGN » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:55 pm

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Bitch, please

Theres obviously a reason and obviously knows what it is.
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