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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:44 pm

Angelito wrote:

Obviously.

Arsene Knows.

I concur, nothing he is saying is rocket science, its bare common sense,
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby jayramfootball » Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:12 pm

Arteta seems to have said that Ozil will be left out of the PL squad and then have 2 months up to the end of December to 'prove himself' - at which point the squad can be changed I assume.
Not sure what 'proving himself' means if he can;t play - I suppose just training.
No matter how bad it gets, at least we don't have to put up with Wenger anymore
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby swipe right » Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:27 pm

Embarrassing this is playing out in public. Should be handled better.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby gamechannel » Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:54 pm

jayramfootball wrote:Arteta seems to have said that Ozil will be left out of the PL squad and then have 2 months up to the end of December to 'prove himself' - at which point the squad can be changed I assume.
Not sure what 'proving himself' means if he can;t play - I suppose just training.


There's nothing to prove. Arsenal are just taking the piss cuz the dude won't give them a discount before f***ing off from this club. Arteta is hell-bent on embarrassing Ozil every which way before his deal eventually runs out. Its basically a dick measuring contest between him and Ozil cuz Ozil didnt blindly follow Arteta's order of a paycut. Its obvious to see.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby ag6789 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:00 pm

If he were interested in serious football, why didn't he accept a loan move? Would'nt have hurt him monetarily at all ? It would have Just showed he's serious about his trade.Instead, he chose path of confrontation w/the club.
It would have quelled all his doubters too, and proved the current mgmt wrong.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Power n Glory » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:35 pm

Of course Wenger is going to back Ozil. The problems we have fall back on his decisions. From the babying to the ridiculous contract. It's part of his influence and what was left behind. No other manager would tolerate this nonsense hence why we are where we are with Ozil.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Alexis » Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:08 pm

Power n Glory wrote:Of course Wenger is going to back Ozil. The problems we have fall back on his decisions. From the babying to the ridiculous contract. It's part of his influence and what was left behind. No other manager would tolerate this nonsense hence why we are where we are with Ozil.


It was bald prick gazidis that gave him that contract. Wenger was against it
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Angelito » Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:13 pm

theHotHead wrote:
Angelito wrote:

Obviously.

Arsene Knows.

I concur, nothing he is saying is rocket science, its bare common sense,


Not very common though, is it? ;)

Some of the best managers in the game have praised Ozil. It's 2020. It's not 2017. He's not the player he was but if anyone thinks that this is a sporting decision, excluding him from the EL and the Cups, whilst he is on those wages—he is still an Arsenal employee—either that person is supremely biased or blinded, or they're working for Arsenal's PR.


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Power n Glory wrote:Of course Wenger is going to back Ozil. The problems we have fall back on his decisions. From the babying to the ridiculous contract. It's part of his influence and what was left behind. No other manager would tolerate this nonsense hence why we are where we are with Ozil.


It was bald prick gazidis that gave him that contract. Wenger was against it


Don't let facts get in the way of an easy narrative. :P
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Power n Glory » Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:54 pm

Alexis wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:Of course Wenger is going to back Ozil. The problems we have fall back on his decisions. From the babying to the ridiculous contract. It's part of his influence and what was left behind. No other manager would tolerate this nonsense hence why we are where we are with Ozil.


It was bald prick gazidis that gave him that contract. Wenger was against it


Let's not pretend that Wenger was ignorant when it came to contract negotiations and demands. If he felt Ozil was too difficult to manage he could have told the club to focus on making a deal with Sanchez. For years we spoke on being prudent and not doing deals that could put the club in financial trouble. Keeping the values of the club and looking out for our future. He was also against offering massive contracts to players in their 30s.

The deal Ozil is on is nuts. The base salary along with appearance and loyalty bonuses....Gazidis and Wenger have to take some responsibility for that and it's an absolute piss take considering the players we let walk for free or cheap in comparison. Heck, just go back and recall his treatment of Bergkamp in his latter years, the one year contracts and the busts ups they had with Bergkamp fighting to play but Wenger reluctant to start him. It's a joke to hear his stance on Ozil today.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby VCC » Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:58 pm

Power n Glory wrote:
Alexis wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:Of course Wenger is going to back Ozil. The problems we have fall back on his decisions. From the babying to the ridiculous contract. It's part of his influence and what was left behind. No other manager would tolerate this nonsense hence why we are where we are with Ozil.


It was bald prick gazidis that gave him that contract. Wenger was against it


Let's not pretend that Wenger was ignorant when it came to contract negotiations and demands. If he felt Ozil was too difficult to manage he could have told the club to focus on making a deal with Sanchez. For years we spoke on being prudent and not doing deals that could put the club in financial trouble. Keeping the values of the club and looking out for our future. He was also against offering massive contracts to players in their 30s.

The deal Ozil is on is nuts. The base salary along with appearance and loyalty bonuses....Gazidis and Wenger have to take some responsibility for that and it's an absolute piss take considering the players we let walk for free or cheap in comparison. Heck, just go back and recall his treatment of Bergkamp in his latter years, the one year contracts and the busts ups they had with Bergkamp fighting to play but Wenger reluctant to start him. It's a joke to hear his stance on Ozil today.

Good point Ozil isn't fit to lace Bergkamp boots
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Angelito » Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:19 pm

A few pointers:

- Wenger left a few months after Ozil signed his contract extension; by 2016, a power tussle between Gazidis and Wenger had already ensued;

- Pep said that City couldn't afford Alexis' wages;

- Gazidis and Josh were more hands-on since before Wenger signed that extension in 2017, hence, Wenger's rant on what a DoF does in a press conference;

- Even if you consider Lacazette as a core Wenger signing, he's never paid any player over £160k a week and was willing to sell Alexis in the summer of 2017, before Alexis and City couldn't agree on a deal; Pep has since declared how City could not "afford" Alexis; subsequently, ManU came around and paid him £450k a week.

To be fair to Ivan, at the time, Ozil absolutely deserved that extension and that pay bump. It was Ivan, Raul, and Josh's fault that we ended up hiring Unai Emery—a manager who should never have been here at the first place.

If we were ambitious, Conte was available at the time. A different kind of manager, a complicated figure, but he was available. We didn't go for him because we didn't want a larger than life personality after Wenger.

Blaming Wenger might warrant a sound sleep, but it doesn't correct the wrongs we've done since then.

Like in life, learn to live with failures.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Power n Glory » Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:37 pm

Gazidis, Kroenke, Josh and Wenger can all take responsibility for that contract. I don't think he came up with the bonus structure and finer details but I don't think he was ignorant of it. I also don't think it was something he stood against otherwise he wouldn't be out here saying Ozil should play. He'd probably be preaching about the dangers of massive contracts in the modern game.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Nuggets » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:38 pm

VCC wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
Alexis wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:Of course Wenger is going to back Ozil. The problems we have fall back on his decisions. From the babying to the ridiculous contract. It's part of his influence and what was left behind. No other manager would tolerate this nonsense hence why we are where we are with Ozil.


It was bald prick gazidis that gave him that contract. Wenger was against it


Let's not pretend that Wenger was ignorant when it came to contract negotiations and demands. If he felt Ozil was too difficult to manage he could have told the club to focus on making a deal with Sanchez. For years we spoke on being prudent and not doing deals that could put the club in financial trouble. Keeping the values of the club and looking out for our future. He was also against offering massive contracts to players in their 30s.

The deal Ozil is on is nuts. The base salary along with appearance and loyalty bonuses....Gazidis and Wenger have to take some responsibility for that and it's an absolute piss take considering the players we let walk for free or cheap in comparison. Heck, just go back and recall his treatment of Bergkamp in his latter years, the one year contracts and the busts ups they had with Bergkamp fighting to play but Wenger reluctant to start him. It's a joke to hear his stance on Ozil today.

Good point Ozil isn't fit to lace Bergkamp boots

Correct.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby aniym » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:16 pm

Angelito wrote:A few pointers:

To be fair to Ivan, at the time, Ozil absolutely deserved that extension and that pay bump. It was Ivan, Raul, and Josh's fault that we ended up hiring Unai Emery—a manager who should never have been here at the first place.

If we were ambitious, Conte was available at the time. A different kind of manager, a complicated figure, but he was available. We didn't go for him because we didn't want a larger than life personality after Wenger.

Blaming Wenger might warrant a sound sleep, but it doesn't correct the wrongs we've done since then.

Like in life, learn to live with failures.


We would never have hired Conte because he is a loose cannon, he spends massively and usually only stays 2 years at a club. We were in a rebuilding phase, trying to get back into CL, and Conte is about the last person you want for that job.

He would also have dropped Ozil far faster than Emery did. Ozil was used to a certain level of accommodation from Wenger. Conte doesn't play that shit.

Look at how he set up his Chelsea midfield. 2 DMs centrally, and 2 wide players (hazard/willian) supporting Costa in attack. Ozil doesn't have a place in that setup. He isn't a DM, and doesn't pose enough of a goal threat to be played in a wide role.

He would have to adapt massively, and his unwillingness to do that for 3 managers running is the entire crux of the problem.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby LMAO » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:32 pm

Angelito wrote:If we were ambitious, Conte was available at the time. A different kind of manager, a complicated figure, but he was available. We didn't go for him because we didn't want a larger than life personality after Wenger.


tbf Conte would've dropped Ozil on day one.

EDIT: What aniym said.
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