EliteKiller wrote:jayramfootball wrote:EliteKiller wrote:theHotHead wrote:EK, I sourced player ratings from a variety of sources - none of which I don't believe were Whoscored. In any case, if you have a rating system that goes from 1-10, 10 being the highest score, mathematically there are 2 middle scores, 5 and 6, 5 being lower middle and 6 being upper middle. The middle scores are therefore the average, as in, the player was neither good or bad. Scores below 5 are below average, scores above 6 are above average.

Now, if you are taking an Arithmetic Mean average (which clearly none of the ratings I claimed are using and clearly I am not referencing), by totalling the ratings scored and dividing that total by the number of players, that is a totally different value that you are retrieving. Now, assuming you are quoting arithmetic mean averages (which I was not!), if the average in a game is 7, that tells me that by and large most players had higher than average performances. If Ozil scored a 6, but the average works out to be 7, Ozil performed lower than the team's average - but he still put in a performance that was upper average in the scale of 1-10. So even in this scenario, Ozil performed better than Aniym's claimed "He did nothing whatsoever in those games" statement !

You are way over complicating ....

An average is worked out by adding up a set of data and dividing it by the number of units in that set ... the range may be 1 > 10 but that's entirely irrelevant ... if every player gets a 9 and Ozil gets an 8 he is not above average and has not performed better than anyone, he's just been rated above the mid-point but is still below average for that game.

In a football match you have 22 players who are rated, thus to find the average you add those 22 ratings then divide by 22 to get a figure ...

The average in the entire EPL this season, that's every player's game rating added together and divided by the number of games they've all played, is 6.74 ... it's not 5 ... lower than 6.74 is thus a below average rating, higher than 6.74 is an above average rating.

Ozil is rated at 6.71 this season against an EPL average of 6.74 ... does that make sense now?

Erm no. It's whoscored that over complicates the overall rating. They use so many variables and apply them to all positions. It results in Adama Traore being ranked the 3rd best player in the league, well ahead of, for example, David Silva - who had more goals, more assists, more passes (3 times as many!), better completion rate of passes (by miles), more key passes. (by miles)

One of the primary reasons is that Traore got 6 MOTM awards given by Whoscored. But being decent in a game full of shit performances provides man of the match awards.

Use whoscored for inidividual stats, not their ridiculous rating system.

Erm Yes - that is how an average is worked out, did you not do basic math? ... doh

You may not like whoscored (or Opta or Sqwaka) but they all say the same thing ... Ozil was great he is now below average ... shooting the messenger doesn't change the message.

I am not arguing about averages.

I am saying that the average is irrelevant because the Whoscored overall rating itself is complete nonsense.

I am going to flesh out the example i gave you:

Adama Traore - played across the midfield this year, but mainly as a wide midfielder. He made the team of the season based on his ratings and that rating also placed him as 3rd best player in the Premier League.

Scored 4 goals and got 9 assists.

He averaged 1.2 shots per game.

His passes per game were very low, just 19.2 per game and he didn't do a good job of finding his team mates, with just a 74.4% pass completion rate.

He averaged 1.3 key passes per game and put in 1.2 crosses per game.

Defensively he had 0.9 tackles per game and 0.4 interceptions per game, 0.4 clearances and 0.1 blocks per game

He was dispossessed 1.8 times per game on average and had 2.4 poor touches per game

He was given 6 MoTM awards

Let's looks at David Silva.

Scored 6 goals and got 10 assists.

He averaged 1.7 shots per game.

His passes per game were 54.9 and he had an 89.3% pass completion rate.

He averaged 1.8 key passes per game and put in 0.1 crosses per game.

Defensively he had 1.0 tackles per game and 0.5 interceptions per game, 0.2 clearances and 0.1 blocks per game

He was dispossessed 0.7 times per game on average and had 1.3 poor touches per game

He was given 3 MoTM awards

For Silva I have colour coded where he had better numbers than Troare in green and worse numbers in red.

Despite all of that Silva had a rating of 7.29 and Traore a rating of 7.49.

This is just 1 example, but there are many oddities. Saint-Maximillion is also rated higher than David Silva...Pepe is rated higher than Aubameyang... Ricardo Pereira was apparently the second best player in the entire league.

Tell me why - show that you understand these summary ratings for players first, before we get to discussions about averages.