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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby jayramfootball » Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:36 pm

elkanofan wrote:
Losmeister wrote:he was fine/ok

goal was jamm as fuxck cos he tapped it directl;y at the gk as if he wanted it to land as softly as possible in his arms, but the gk dropped it. awful goal.

good team play to get it to the doorstep.

and carrying theball thru 45 yards of empty space is something wilshere can do.

but, ya know, its reall ozil football club, not arsenal
It does concern me how carried away our fanbase gets we get as soon as he actually has one decent game. Its why so many of our fans have had such a hard time accepting our situation and steady downfall over the years.

Its not hard to see why and how Ozil did well yesterday. Newcastle have averaged less than 35% possession in all games this season and collapse when going 2-0 down bar that jammy as f**k draw vs Everton.


Your argument is a classic straw man argument.
I am positive about Ozil because I can see he is playing consistently well.
Nothing to do with one game.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Losmeister » Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:50 pm

fwiw, i am happy that any AFC player plays well.

so he had a decent game and a jammy goal. like laca. we need better.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby StLGooner » Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:13 pm

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Marsbar100 wrote:Good performance but let's not forget the other 15 games this season with no goal or assist, if anyone can rescue him I feel it will be arteta let's hope he does.


He played exactly the same in the other 15 games.
Top class - every single time he plays.

The difference today was the improvement in the movement of our forwards and Ceballos proved an excellent partner (similar to Cazorla)


Ozil moved more himself as well. He and a few others were actually moving around when they didn't have the ball and getting in open space. As opposed to how we've been playing recently, just standing there most of the time, ball watching.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:07 am

But thats not what Ozil does, Ozil always moves, thats why he is in the top quartile of players distance covered in the squad. Contrary to the pathetic "he is lazy" narrative people like to spin.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Power n Glory » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:03 am

StLGooner wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:Good performance but let's not forget the other 15 games this season with no goal or assist, if anyone can rescue him I feel it will be arteta let's hope he does.


He played exactly the same in the other 15 games.
Top class - every single time he plays.

The difference today was the improvement in the movement of our forwards and Ceballos proved an excellent partner (similar to Cazorla)


Ozil moved more himself as well. He and a few others were actually moving around when they didn't have the ball and getting in open space. As opposed to how we've been playing recently, just standing there most of the time, ball watching.



It's nuts how anyone can say this type of the performance.....



is the same as this one!



It's not just the goal but in the game against Sheffield he's overhitting passes into the box. He's not as sharp or aggressively trying to get into the box or looking for the forward pass. He's not a passenger against Newcastle.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:43 am

Power n Glory wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:Good performance but let's not forget the other 15 games this season with no goal or assist, if anyone can rescue him I feel it will be arteta let's hope he does.


He played exactly the same in the other 15 games.
Top class - every single time he plays.

The difference today was the improvement in the movement of our forwards and Ceballos proved an excellent partner (similar to Cazorla)


Ozil moved more himself as well. He and a few others were actually moving around when they didn't have the ball and getting in open space. As opposed to how we've been playing recently, just standing there most of the time, ball watching.



It's nuts how anyone can say this type of the performance.....



is the same as this one!



It's not just the goal but in the game against Sheffield he's overhitting passes into the box. He's not as sharp or aggressively trying to get into the box or looking for the forward pass. He's not a passenger against Newcastle.


What is more crazy is that anyone could take a couple of youtube clips and compare performances.
Managers are gettingit all wrong... all the performance data they have and all they needed was Youtube.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby jayramfootball » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:45 am

StLGooner wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:Good performance but let's not forget the other 15 games this season with no goal or assist, if anyone can rescue him I feel it will be arteta let's hope he does.


He played exactly the same in the other 15 games.
Top class - every single time he plays.

The difference today was the improvement in the movement of our forwards and Ceballos proved an excellent partner (similar to Cazorla)


Ozil moved more himself as well. He and a few others were actually moving around when they didn't have the ball and getting in open space. As opposed to how we've been playing recently, just standing there most of the time, ball watching.


You don;t watch Arsenal games if you think Ozil has been 'standing there most of the time'.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Losmeister » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:52 am

mesut ozil is way better than cr7 and messi, you guys just know know how to watch footy.pele carries his gym bag.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Losmeister » Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:53 am

ozil is bettre than wayne gretzky.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Power n Glory » Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:10 am

jayramfootball wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:Good performance but let's not forget the other 15 games this season with no goal or assist, if anyone can rescue him I feel it will be arteta let's hope he does.


He played exactly the same in the other 15 games.
Top class - every single time he plays.

The difference today was the improvement in the movement of our forwards and Ceballos proved an excellent partner (similar to Cazorla)


Ozil moved more himself as well. He and a few others were actually moving around when they didn't have the ball and getting in open space. As opposed to how we've been playing recently, just standing there most of the time, ball watching.



It's nuts how anyone can say this type of the performance.....



is the same as this one!



It's not just the goal but in the game against Sheffield he's overhitting passes into the box. He's not as sharp or aggressively trying to get into the box or looking for the forward pass. He's not a passenger against Newcastle.


What is more crazy is that anyone could take a couple of youtube clips and compare performances.
Managers are gettingit all wrong... all the performance data they have and all they needed was Youtube.
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You need these clips for context so you can actually see what most people are talking about when they say it's a different performance. But considering you still can't see the difference, maybe I should stop wasting my time and you should probably get your eye sight tested.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:21 pm

Power n Glory wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:Good performance but let's not forget the other 15 games this season with no goal or assist, if anyone can rescue him I feel it will be arteta let's hope he does.


He played exactly the same in the other 15 games.
Top class - every single time he plays.

The difference today was the improvement in the movement of our forwards and Ceballos proved an excellent partner (similar to Cazorla)


Ozil moved more himself as well. He and a few others were actually moving around when they didn't have the ball and getting in open space. As opposed to how we've been playing recently, just standing there most of the time, ball watching.



It's nuts how anyone can say this type of the performance.....



is the same as this one!



It's not just the goal but in the game against Sheffield he's overhitting passes into the box. He's not as sharp or aggressively trying to get into the box or looking for the forward pass. He's not a passenger against Newcastle.

PNG you are clutching at serious straws here!! There is hardly any difference between Ozil's 2 performances. He has more space to run with the ball against Newcastle but Sheffield United were a much better organised team and those spaces were not afforded to him as often. I saw the same movement, the same urgency and the same type of play when he had the ball in similar positions - in both games.

In both games:
He tracked back and gave away free kicks.
He drove forward with the ball if he had the space to.
Not every pass went to its intended target.
Some neat and tidy play.

The differences you mention are not worthy of discussion insomuch as you are splitting hairs really.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:47 pm

Take Ozil's stats vs Sheffield United (whoscored.com):

Shots - 0. ShotsOT - 0. Key Passes - 4. Pass Accuracy - 88%. Aerials won - 0. Touches - 59. Dribbles - 2. Dispossessed - 0. Bad control - 2. Rating - 7.01.

Mesut Ozil vs Newcastle:
Shots - 1. Shots OT - 1. Key Passes - 4. Pass Accuracy - 95.9%. Aerials won - 0. Touches - 57. Dribbles - 1. Dispossessed - 0. Bad Control - 0. Rating - 7.91.

Like I said, hardly any difference in the above stats, yes, vs Newcastle the stats are better but there is nothing that stands out as a marked improvement.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby StLGooner » Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:52 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:Good performance but let's not forget the other 15 games this season with no goal or assist, if anyone can rescue him I feel it will be arteta let's hope he does.


He played exactly the same in the other 15 games.
Top class - every single time he plays.

The difference today was the improvement in the movement of our forwards and Ceballos proved an excellent partner (similar to Cazorla)


Ozil moved more himself as well. He and a few others were actually moving around when they didn't have the ball and getting in open space. As opposed to how we've been playing recently, just standing there most of the time, ball watching.


You don;t watch Arsenal games if you think Ozil has been 'standing there most of the time'.




When in attack too many times our players get into or near the box then don't move enough. Obviously saying "most of the time" is an exaggeration. I always have thought that the worst possible argument you can have on this forum is to say someone must not watch the games. But the overall all point was, he and others moved more, they got into open space more than they do normally. I don't think that was hard to see that we were better doing that in this game. :dontknow:
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby StLGooner » Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:53 pm

Power n Glory wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:Good performance but let's not forget the other 15 games this season with no goal or assist, if anyone can rescue him I feel it will be arteta let's hope he does.


He played exactly the same in the other 15 games.
Top class - every single time he plays.

The difference today was the improvement in the movement of our forwards and Ceballos proved an excellent partner (similar to Cazorla)


Ozil moved more himself as well. He and a few others were actually moving around when they didn't have the ball and getting in open space. As opposed to how we've been playing recently, just standing there most of the time, ball watching.



It's nuts how anyone can say this type of the performance.....



is the same as this one!



It's not just the goal but in the game against Sheffield he's overhitting passes into the box. He's not as sharp or aggressively trying to get into the box or looking for the forward pass. He's not a passenger against Newcastle.


So you are agreeing with me?
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Power n Glory » Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:54 pm

theHotHead wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:Good performance but let's not forget the other 15 games this season with no goal or assist, if anyone can rescue him I feel it will be arteta let's hope he does.


He played exactly the same in the other 15 games.
Top class - every single time he plays.

The difference today was the improvement in the movement of our forwards and Ceballos proved an excellent partner (similar to Cazorla)


Ozil moved more himself as well. He and a few others were actually moving around when they didn't have the ball and getting in open space. As opposed to how we've been playing recently, just standing there most of the time, ball watching.



It's nuts how anyone can say this type of the performance.....



is the same as this one!



It's not just the goal but in the game against Sheffield he's overhitting passes into the box. He's not as sharp or aggressively trying to get into the box or looking for the forward pass. He's not a passenger against Newcastle.

PNG you are clutching at serious straws here!! There is hardly any difference between Ozil's 2 performances. He has more space to run with the ball against Newcastle but Sheffield United were a much better organised team and those spaces were not afforded to him as often. I saw the same movement, the same urgency and the same type of play when he had the ball in similar positions - in both games.

In both games:
He tracked back and gave away free kicks.
He drove forward with the ball if he had the space to.
Not every pass went to its intended target.
Some neat and tidy play.

The differences you mention are not worthy of discussion insomuch as you are splitting hairs really.


So if that's the case....would it be fair to say Newcastle is his level and can't perform against better opponents? See where this is going?

If you guys can't notice the difference between these clips in his performance then I really don't want to have another discussion on Ozil because I can't trust any opinion you have on his subtle qualities. Are seriously telling me you can't see the passes he was overhitting to Martinelli when in the final third or hitting behind him? (00.35, 02.10, 03.17) or how often he's playing it backwards in comparison?

Ozil had a slow 30 minutes against Newcastle. The whole attack were looking a bit out of sorts but noticed he was the one starting to take more risks and up the tempo then the chances started to come. You see it around the 1.45 mark with that nice bit of skill and pass, the overstep dummy after where he's darting into the box to score (which is rare for Ozil) and the pass into the box for Nkteiah to try and shoot first time. If you can't see the difference when it's right in front of you....
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