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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:06 pm
by ag6789
Emery said, when he was hired, he was going to improve upon the existing squad; build the team around Ramsey, so on and on. So all those were just lies to get the cushy AFC job? After 15 months most of the squad he inherited is largely gone, we're still stuck in mediocrity..so what's the verdict? Isn't he a great fruadster, a con man like big T of US?
And trolls on this site keep coming up with one excuse after another. Really Funny, isn't it??
Age of the Con man!!

Re: Mesut Özil (10)

PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:24 pm
by elkanofan
StLGooner wrote:
elkanofan wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
Yea he did everything right if you're happy with mediocrity.


We are mediocrity. This is not because of Emery this is because the board have not given a shit for so long so the squad is shit now. We haven't spent well and we have sold so f***ing poorly.



Will you at least admit that there is a possibility it's both?


Because i saw enough at Valencia, Sevilla and especially in 2017-2018 with PSG he gets results and trophies when he is able to get the players he wants.

I'm seeing it now, we have a incompetent, flawed team and we still lost just one game away to liverpool so far and been able to grind out result even playing badly with our flaws.


That's the sign we are in transition, we aren't a great side and this will take time.

Re: Mesut Özil (10)

PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:25 pm
by Highbury Hillbilly
ag6789 wrote:Emery said, when he was hired, he was going to improve upon the existing squad; build the team around Ramsey, so on and on. So all those were just lies to get the cushy AFC job? After 15 months most of the squad he inherited is largely gone, we're still stuck in mediocrity..so what's the verdict? Isn't he a great fruadster, a con man like big T of US?
And trolls on this site keep coming up with one excuse after another. Really Funny, isn't it??
Age of the Con man!!


Shame on Emery for not predicting that 5 of his first XI would be gone in 12 months and that two key defenders would be injured for a year.

Re: Mesut Özil (10)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:59 am
by Zenith
Sims wrote:
Dejan wrote:Sorry sims i was first with calling there are probably some mental health issues.

I dont think we will get to know tho

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Yeah forgive me I don’t remember anyone saying it

Something has been up for a while though, maybe we’ll have to wait 10/15 years to find out

You don't have to ask for his forgiveness because Dejan wasn't first himself.

February 9 - viewtopic.php?f=5&t=28687&p=1696199#p1696199

February 16 - viewtopic.php?f=5&t=28687&p=1697916#p1697916

:smartass:

On a serious note, Dejan feels it's probable, whereas I merely suggested it as one several possibilities for his multiple ''illness-related'' absences.

Also feel the club has every right to keep such matters private as, frankly, it's none of our business.

Re: Mesut Özil (10)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:57 am
by Power n Glory
elkanofan wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
elkanofan wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
Yea he did everything right if you're happy with mediocrity.


We are mediocrity. This is not because of Emery this is because the board have not given a shit for so long so the squad is shit now. We haven't spent well and we have sold so f***ing poorly.



Will you at least admit that there is a possibility it's both?


Because i saw enough at Valencia, Sevilla and especially in 2017-2018 with PSG he gets results and trophies when he is able to get the players he wants.

I'm seeing it now, we have a incompetent, flawed team and we still lost just one game away to liverpool so far and been able to grind out result even playing badly with our flaws.


That's the sign we are in transition, we aren't a great side and this will take time.


You mean the year PSG bought Neymar, Mbappe and Dani Alves? The year Monaco's best players were poached after beating PSG to the title the season before?

Emery won't get a chance to spend £200m on a player like Neymar here at Arsenal. It's not happening so there needs to be a rethink about the players he needs and the cost you're looking at PSG as an example.

Anyone could win a French Ligue 1 title under those circumstances. It's not as if Emery took on a struggling team and won against the odds. PSG are always favourites. They had won 4 back to back Ligue 1 titles in a row. Laurent Blanc won it 3 titles in row along with all the domestic trophies twice in row. After the billionaire takeover, anyone that has coached there has won a Ligue 1 title. They didn't buy Emery and invest in Neymar for more domestic trophies. The aim was a Champions League win. Two years in a row they were knocked out in the final 16 which was worst than what Ancelotti and Blanc could achieve with QF knockouts.

Re: Mesut Özil (10)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:18 am
by Santi
aniym wrote:
ag6789 wrote:Emery said, when he was hired, he was going to improve upon the existing squad; build the team around Ramsey, so on and on. So all those were just lies to get the cushy AFC job? After 15 months most of the squad he inherited is largely gone, we're still stuck in mediocrity..so what's the verdict? Isn't he a great fruadster, a con man like big T of US?
And trolls on this site keep coming up with one excuse after another. Really Funny, isn't it??
Age of the Con man!!


Shame on Emery for not predicting that 5 of his first XI would be gone in 12 months and that two key defenders would be injured for a year.


whats predictions got to do with it? he let them go (ramsey, monreal, kos, iwobi, dont even know who the 5th is). The reported reasoning for him getting the job was exactly as stated - he can improve the current lot of players and make them more of a team, well he hasn't.

If it was never mentioned about that and he always planned to bring in 10-11 new players then I would have no problem but our lot were underperforming, anyone could walk in and buy new players.

Re: Mesut Özil (10)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:28 am
by Dejan
Zenith wrote:
Sims wrote:
Dejan wrote:Sorry sims i was first with calling there are probably some mental health issues.

I dont think we will get to know tho

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Yeah forgive me I don’t remember anyone saying it

Something has been up for a while though, maybe we’ll have to wait 10/15 years to find out

You don't have to ask for his forgiveness because Dejan wasn't first himself.

February 9 - viewtopic.php?f=5&t=28687&p=1696199#p1696199

February 16 - viewtopic.php?f=5&t=28687&p=1697916#p1697916

:smartass:

On a serious note, Dejan feels it's probable, whereas I merely suggested it as one several possibilities for his multiple ''illness-related'' absences.

Also feel the club has every right to keep such matters private as, frankly, it's none of our business.
Well, shit

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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:33 am
by DiamondGooner
I knew it, low brow Moped robbers, not Turkish mafia or whatever BS stories people are coming up with.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... -kolasinac

Re: Mesut Özil (10)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:35 am
by Ach
Hope they get the death sentence

Re: Mesut Özil (10)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:38 am
by UFGN
Going round robbing people on a moped at age 30

His mother must be so proud

Re: Mesut Özil (10)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:55 am
by StLGooner
Power n Glory wrote:
elkanofan wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
elkanofan wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
Yea he did everything right if you're happy with mediocrity.


We are mediocrity. This is not because of Emery this is because the board have not given a shit for so long so the squad is shit now. We haven't spent well and we have sold so f***ing poorly.



Will you at least admit that there is a possibility it's both?


Because i saw enough at Valencia, Sevilla and especially in 2017-2018 with PSG he gets results and trophies when he is able to get the players he wants.

I'm seeing it now, we have a incompetent, flawed team and we still lost just one game away to liverpool so far and been able to grind out result even playing badly with our flaws.


That's the sign we are in transition, we aren't a great side and this will take time.


You mean the year PSG bought Neymar, Mbappe and Dani Alves? The year Monaco's best players were poached after beating PSG to the title the season before?

Emery won't get a chance to spend £200m on a player like Neymar here at Arsenal. It's not happening so there needs to be a rethink about the players he needs and the cost you're looking at PSG as an example.

Anyone could win a French Ligue 1 title under those circumstances. It's not as if Emery took on a struggling team and won against the odds. PSG are always favourites. They had won 4 back to back Ligue 1 titles in a row. Laurent Blanc won it 3 titles in row along with all the domestic trophies twice in row. After the billionaire takeover, anyone that has coached there has won a Ligue 1 title. They didn't buy Emery and invest in Neymar for more domestic trophies. The aim was a Champions League win. Two years in a row they were knocked out in the final 16 which was worst than what Ancelotti and Blanc could achieve with QF knockouts.




Elk has set himself up to where he'll never lose this argument. Cause he'll just change his stance when we win, and he'll change his stance when we lose. When we lose it will be because the players aren't good enough, when we win it will be because of Emery, which will then in his mind prove his point. This is how these guys work. They don't play fair. And again, everyone seemed happy with the players we had after the transfer window, but now when the writing is on the wall, it's back to "oh we don't have good enough players". It's quite comical really. Oh yeah, and we don't know football, but Elk does and he should probably be a coach somewhere by now with all his wisdom and knowledge about the game.

Re: Mesut Özil (10)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:09 pm
by Power n Glory
StLGooner wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
elkanofan wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
elkanofan wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
Yea he did everything right if you're happy with mediocrity.


We are mediocrity. This is not because of Emery this is because the board have not given a shit for so long so the squad is shit now. We haven't spent well and we have sold so f***ing poorly.



Will you at least admit that there is a possibility it's both?


Because i saw enough at Valencia, Sevilla and especially in 2017-2018 with PSG he gets results and trophies when he is able to get the players he wants.

I'm seeing it now, we have a incompetent, flawed team and we still lost just one game away to liverpool so far and been able to grind out result even playing badly with our flaws.


That's the sign we are in transition, we aren't a great side and this will take time.


You mean the year PSG bought Neymar, Mbappe and Dani Alves? The year Monaco's best players were poached after beating PSG to the title the season before?

Emery won't get a chance to spend £200m on a player like Neymar here at Arsenal. It's not happening so there needs to be a rethink about the players he needs and the cost you're looking at PSG as an example.

Anyone could win a French Ligue 1 title under those circumstances. It's not as if Emery took on a struggling team and won against the odds. PSG are always favourites. They had won 4 back to back Ligue 1 titles in a row. Laurent Blanc won it 3 titles in row along with all the domestic trophies twice in row. After the billionaire takeover, anyone that has coached there has won a Ligue 1 title. They didn't buy Emery and invest in Neymar for more domestic trophies. The aim was a Champions League win. Two years in a row they were knocked out in the final 16 which was worst than what Ancelotti and Blanc could achieve with QF knockouts.




Elk has set himself up to where he'll never lose this argument. Cause he'll just change his stance when we win, and he'll change his stance when we lose. When we lose it will be because the players aren't good enough, when we win it will be because of Emery, which will then in his mind prove his point. This is how these guys work. They don't play fair. And again, everyone seemed happy with the players we had after the transfer window, but now when the writing is on the wall, it's back to "oh we don't have good enough players". It's quite comical really. Oh yeah, and we don't know football, but Elk does and he should probably be a coach somewhere by now with all his wisdom and knowledge about the game.


It's coming off that way. It just looks like an outright defence of Unai even if it contradicts his own views. It's never consistent. One week he'll argue we should start Torreira, Ceballos and Guendouzi for Utd, next he's saying they're not good enough to play for us and Emery has no choice but to play Xhaka or Torreira as an attacking/advanced midfielder. He's argued we shouldn't start kids in such an important game against Utd, but glossed over the fact that Saka and Guendouzi started the game. Willock and Guendouzi started against Liverpool as well.

As you say, the points made are just inconsistent and if people are willing to contradict themselves just to defend the coach, there isn't much point in engaging in a conversation.

Re: Mesut Özil (10)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:01 pm
by elkanofan
Power n Glory wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
Power n Glory wrote:
elkanofan wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
elkanofan wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
Yea he did everything right if you're happy with mediocrity.


We are mediocrity. This is not because of Emery this is because the board have not given a shit for so long so the squad is shit now. We haven't spent well and we have sold so f***ing poorly.



Will you at least admit that there is a possibility it's both?


Because i saw enough at Valencia, Sevilla and especially in 2017-2018 with PSG he gets results and trophies when he is able to get the players he wants.

I'm seeing it now, we have a incompetent, flawed team and we still lost just one game away to liverpool so far and been able to grind out result even playing badly with our flaws.


That's the sign we are in transition, we aren't a great side and this will take time.


You mean the year PSG bought Neymar, Mbappe and Dani Alves? The year Monaco's best players were poached after beating PSG to the title the season before?

Emery won't get a chance to spend £200m on a player like Neymar here at Arsenal. It's not happening so there needs to be a rethink about the players he needs and the cost you're looking at PSG as an example.

Anyone could win a French Ligue 1 title under those circumstances. It's not as if Emery took on a struggling team and won against the odds. PSG are always favourites. They had won 4 back to back Ligue 1 titles in a row. Laurent Blanc won it 3 titles in row along with all the domestic trophies twice in row. After the billionaire takeover, anyone that has coached there has won a Ligue 1 title. They didn't buy Emery and invest in Neymar for more domestic trophies. The aim was a Champions League win. Two years in a row they were knocked out in the final 16 which was worst than what Ancelotti and Blanc could achieve with QF knockouts.




Elk has set himself up to where he'll never lose this argument. Cause he'll just change his stance when we win, and he'll change his stance when we lose. When we lose it will be because the players aren't good enough, when we win it will be because of Emery, which will then in his mind prove his point. This is how these guys work. They don't play fair. And again, everyone seemed happy with the players we had after the transfer window, but now when the writing is on the wall, it's back to "oh we don't have good enough players". It's quite comical really. Oh yeah, and we don't know football, but Elk does and he should probably be a coach somewhere by now with all his wisdom and knowledge about the game.


It's coming off that way. It just looks like an outright defence of Unai even if it contradicts his own views. It's never consistent. One week he'll argue we should start Torreira, Ceballos and Guendouzi for Utd, next he's saying they're not good enough to play for us and Emery has no choice but to play Xhaka or Torreira as an attacking/advanced midfielder.


Never said that exactly. You just thought it would be so much easier to win an argument your convinced your right with.

Torreira, Ceballos and Guendouzi i initially wanted to start, but who gives a shit what i want? Emery is a top manager who has won many trophies, i'm just an Arsenal fan who is an tactics enthusiast. I said this due to the mistakes Xhaka made i thought its right for him to be dropped however i saw how weak our midfield would be in a games we need to keep things tight and not let them get any kind of hold on the game and gather their confidence so instead of getting all pretentious and whining about what i want, i look to understand the manager who knows much than anyone here does!

BTW that PSG team in 2017/18 whats knocked out by 'who' again in the last 16? Oh you mean the outright winners that year Madrid? With CR7 on it like always??? Also we all know how unprofessional Neymar is, no manager can control that guy, he's doing the same bullshit with Tuchel now, he just doesn't think PSG is on his level. That's modern football for you!

He's argued we shouldn't start kids in such an important game against Utd, but glossed over the fact that Saka and Guendouzi started the game. Willock and Guendouzi started against Liverpool as well.


Oh FFS do you read properly? I answered this! You can absolutely afford to put a kid like Saka on the wing where his defensive role is just to help out his full back but primary attack. It does not require the same level of experience and responsibly needed to play disciplined defensive role int eh middle which was keep to making sure United didn't get any momentum which they didn't until the second half.

Guendouzi has already had 1 full season here at Arsenal and seasons with Lorient, he is a defensive minded box to box player by trade! This is Willock's first full season as part of the main squad in his f***ing life! and you want to give him all this responsibility? IF he f***ked up... ooooh

"Emery makes too much changes"

As you say, the points made are just inconsistent and if people are willing to contradict themselves just to defend the coach, there isn't much point in engaging in a conversation.


What i have show is people who don't have the awareness to understand will simply look to find whatever suits them for what they want. People don't try to further their knowledge of the game to understand why top level coaches do what they don't.

Trust me on one thing Emery knows more than all of us on this forum put together!

Re: Mesut Özil (10)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:32 pm
by Highbury Hillbilly
No Ozil even in a group stage EL game? It's over for him at Arsenal. Must go in Jan. Mhikytaryan would at least have had EL time if he wasn't loaned.

Re: Mesut Özil (10)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:44 pm
by Rockape
This thread reminds me of Brexit!