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Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

Postby BrunelGooner » Mon May 06, 2019 5:19 pm

Angelito wrote:Lest we forget:

Regarding this thread and Mesut Ozil in general, the Mod team has discussed on the exceeding amount of trolling, instigating, abusing, and negativity surrounding Ozil and the thread.

That is why - on behalf of the Mod team - I'd like to issue a warning to members who have been leaders in instigating these negative discussions with the sheer intention of contributing to enhancing the toxicity and sheer hatred against Ozil.

Posts beyond constructive and objective criticism of Mesut Ozil shall be deleted and the guilty party will receive an official warning - and/or be possibly banned depending on the severity of the action. The judgment lies with the Mod team.

This doesn't simply apply to Ozil haters but also Ozil sympathizers. I know it has been difficult reading through this thread, and we've all lost our heads, but better heads must prevail - so either way, abusive posts against those who constructively critique Ozil's performance shall also be warned and those posts will be deleted.

Mesut Ozil - like any other Arsenal player - is a Gunner. At the end of the day, he is one of us. Criticism should be warranted and objective. Such discussions are welcomed here and appreciated by everyone as long as they're rational and logical.

This is a warning to trolls and to those who contribute to the toxicity. I don't want to name names. You know who you are. That said, this is also a warning to those who support Ozil blindly.

The aim is to be rational and neutral - and engage in an insightful and stimulating discussion.

I hope we can all adhere to this.

Thank you,

On behalf of the Mod team.


It's a shame you don't apply this same consistency when it comes to criticism of Emery. Like that time when you said his biggest achievement in his career was getting beaten 6-1 by Barcelona.

Either be consistent with how you choose to apply these rules or don't do it at all. You can't be selective when it suits you, which is what you have been doing far too often.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

Postby Angelito » Mon May 06, 2019 5:52 pm

BrunelGooner wrote:
Angelito wrote:Lest we forget:

Regarding this thread and Mesut Ozil in general, the Mod team has discussed on the exceeding amount of trolling, instigating, abusing, and negativity surrounding Ozil and the thread.

That is why - on behalf of the Mod team - I'd like to issue a warning to members who have been leaders in instigating these negative discussions with the sheer intention of contributing to enhancing the toxicity and sheer hatred against Ozil.

Posts beyond constructive and objective criticism of Mesut Ozil shall be deleted and the guilty party will receive an official warning - and/or be possibly banned depending on the severity of the action. The judgment lies with the Mod team.

This doesn't simply apply to Ozil haters but also Ozil sympathizers. I know it has been difficult reading through this thread, and we've all lost our heads, but better heads must prevail - so either way, abusive posts against those who constructively critique Ozil's performance shall also be warned and those posts will be deleted.

Mesut Ozil - like any other Arsenal player - is a Gunner. At the end of the day, he is one of us. Criticism should be warranted and objective. Such discussions are welcomed here and appreciated by everyone as long as they're rational and logical.

This is a warning to trolls and to those who contribute to the toxicity. I don't want to name names. You know who you are. That said, this is also a warning to those who support Ozil blindly.

The aim is to be rational and neutral - and engage in an insightful and stimulating discussion.

I hope we can all adhere to this.

Thank you,

On behalf of the Mod team.


It's a shame you don't apply this same consistency when it comes to criticism of Emery. Like that time when you said his biggest achievement in his career was getting beaten 6-1 by Barcelona.

Either be consistent with how you choose to apply these rules or don't do it at all. You can't be selective when it suits you, which is what you have been doing far too often.


Thank you for letting me know that I've called Unai Emery a c***, "the most overrated player in Arsenal's history," a twinkie, and a money-grabbing c*** who's stealing a living here.

Yep. I should not be more selective. How dare one criticize Unai Emery's biggest UCL moment when all of us could simply abuse a member of Arsenal using obscene lingos, innuendos, and accusing him—the de facto CEO of Arsenal, apparently—of paying himself an astronomical sum in wages.

I'm on the case. Thank you for your intelligent observation.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

Postby Dejan » Mon May 06, 2019 5:54 pm

You can't be serious.

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Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

Postby Losmeister » Mon May 06, 2019 6:04 pm

Dejan wrote:You can't be serious.

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Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

Postby BrunelGooner » Mon May 06, 2019 6:04 pm

Angelito wrote:
BrunelGooner wrote:
Angelito wrote:Lest we forget:

Regarding this thread and Mesut Ozil in general, the Mod team has discussed on the exceeding amount of trolling, instigating, abusing, and negativity surrounding Ozil and the thread.

That is why - on behalf of the Mod team - I'd like to issue a warning to members who have been leaders in instigating these negative discussions with the sheer intention of contributing to enhancing the toxicity and sheer hatred against Ozil.

Posts beyond constructive and objective criticism of Mesut Ozil shall be deleted and the guilty party will receive an official warning - and/or be possibly banned depending on the severity of the action. The judgment lies with the Mod team.

This doesn't simply apply to Ozil haters but also Ozil sympathizers. I know it has been difficult reading through this thread, and we've all lost our heads, but better heads must prevail - so either way, abusive posts against those who constructively critique Ozil's performance shall also be warned and those posts will be deleted.

Mesut Ozil - like any other Arsenal player - is a Gunner. At the end of the day, he is one of us. Criticism should be warranted and objective. Such discussions are welcomed here and appreciated by everyone as long as they're rational and logical.

This is a warning to trolls and to those who contribute to the toxicity. I don't want to name names. You know who you are. That said, this is also a warning to those who support Ozil blindly.

The aim is to be rational and neutral - and engage in an insightful and stimulating discussion.

I hope we can all adhere to this.

Thank you,

On behalf of the Mod team.


It's a shame you don't apply this same consistency when it comes to criticism of Emery. Like that time when you said his biggest achievement in his career was getting beaten 6-1 by Barcelona.

Either be consistent with how you choose to apply these rules or don't do it at all. You can't be selective when it suits you, which is what you have been doing far too often.


Thank you for letting me know that I've called Unai Emery a c***, "the most overrated player in Arsenal's history," a twinkie, and a money-grabbing c*** who's stealing a living here.

Yep. I should not be more selective. How dare one criticize Unai Emery's biggest UCL moment when all of us could simply abuse a member of Arsenal using obscene lingos, innuendos, and accusing him—the de facto CEO of Arsenal, apparently—of paying himself an astronomical sum in wages.

I'm on the case. Thank you for your intelligent observation.


What a disingenuous, obnoxious and petulant reply. Then again, I don't see why I should expect any less from someone who clearly gets off on being a hypocrite. Do you even understand what you are saying or are you just arguing for the sake of it?

You have said in that very post that observations and criticisms have to be constructive and rational. You have said that the toxicity and negativity has to be reduced. By making comments like Emery is responsible for the "Sevillization of Arsenal" and that the biggest achievement in his career is getting beaten 6-1 by Barcelona (which is disrespectful considering he has actually won trophies in his career and worked wonders on a tight budget in Valencia), how are you not contributing to that toxicity and negativity?

Let me guess...what you said doesn't come under the umbrella of 'toxicity' or 'negativity', but of course, you are the gatekeeper of what constitutes negativity and what does not.

There is no denying it. You are a hypocrite and you know it.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

Postby Phil71 » Mon May 06, 2019 6:09 pm

Das ist verboten.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

Postby Angelito » Mon May 06, 2019 6:20 pm

BrunelGooner wrote:
Angelito wrote:
BrunelGooner wrote:
Angelito wrote:Lest we forget:

Regarding this thread and Mesut Ozil in general, the Mod team has discussed on the exceeding amount of trolling, instigating, abusing, and negativity surrounding Ozil and the thread.

That is why - on behalf of the Mod team - I'd like to issue a warning to members who have been leaders in instigating these negative discussions with the sheer intention of contributing to enhancing the toxicity and sheer hatred against Ozil.

Posts beyond constructive and objective criticism of Mesut Ozil shall be deleted and the guilty party will receive an official warning - and/or be possibly banned depending on the severity of the action. The judgment lies with the Mod team.

This doesn't simply apply to Ozil haters but also Ozil sympathizers. I know it has been difficult reading through this thread, and we've all lost our heads, but better heads must prevail - so either way, abusive posts against those who constructively critique Ozil's performance shall also be warned and those posts will be deleted.

Mesut Ozil - like any other Arsenal player - is a Gunner. At the end of the day, he is one of us. Criticism should be warranted and objective. Such discussions are welcomed here and appreciated by everyone as long as they're rational and logical.

This is a warning to trolls and to those who contribute to the toxicity. I don't want to name names. You know who you are. That said, this is also a warning to those who support Ozil blindly.

The aim is to be rational and neutral - and engage in an insightful and stimulating discussion.

I hope we can all adhere to this.

Thank you,

On behalf of the Mod team.


It's a shame you don't apply this same consistency when it comes to criticism of Emery. Like that time when you said his biggest achievement in his career was getting beaten 6-1 by Barcelona.

Either be consistent with how you choose to apply these rules or don't do it at all. You can't be selective when it suits you, which is what you have been doing far too often.


Thank you for letting me know that I've called Unai Emery a c***, "the most overrated player in Arsenal's history," a twinkie, and a money-grabbing c*** who's stealing a living here.

Yep. I should not be more selective. How dare one criticize Unai Emery's biggest UCL moment when all of us could simply abuse a member of Arsenal using obscene lingos, innuendos, and accusing him—the de facto CEO of Arsenal, apparently—of paying himself an astronomical sum in wages.

I'm on the case. Thank you for your intelligent observation.


What a disingenuous, obnoxious and petulant reply. Then again, I don't see why I should expect any less from someone who clearly gets off on being a hypocrite. Do you even understand what you are saying or are you just arguing for the sake of it?

You have said in that very post that observations and criticisms have to be constructive and rational. You have said that the toxicity and negativity has to be reduced. By making comments like Emery is responsible for the "Sevillization of Arsenal" and that the biggest achievement in his career is getting beaten 6-1 by Barcelona (which is disrespectful considering he has actually won trophies in his career and worked wonders on a tight budget in Valencia), how are you not contributing to that toxicity and negativity?

Let me guess...what you said doesn't come under the umbrella of 'toxicity' or 'negativity', but of course, you are the gatekeeper of what constitutes negativity and what does not.

There is no denying it. You are a hypocrite and you know it.


There's a difference between criticizing someone and flat-out abusing someone. There is also a difference between accusing someone of a certain thing and trying to engage in a discussion, which you've shown no intention of doing in your last two posts.

My earlier response was a sarcastic remark on what's been going on in this thread. If you'd bothered to check, the replies prior, you wouldn't be so ruffled so as to equate personal abuses with criticism, as you've just done. You simply needed an avenue to vent it out.

Nonetheless, you're assuming on my behalf and you have no intention to discuss this, as you're already in an argumentative mode, rather in a mood to hurl accusations, than to discuss this rationally.

Now, before deviating to your favorite topic of Unai Emery, in a Mesut Ozil thread, I'd simply want to point out how conveniently people ignore that he was managing Unlimited Finances FC in France and managed to bottle a humongous lead. Criticizing such a poverty display isn't the same as throwing insults towards one of our players.

And, I'll toss your own final statements at you; you do not decide on what's toxic and negative. Criticizing a manager who's bottled top-4 despite having the easiest of run-ins isn't the same as hurling abuses towards him. Likewise, attacking someone for having the nerve to criticize a manager who doesn't have a top-level reputation is one example of spreading toxicity and negativity.

Now, we shall know more about hypocrisy.

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Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

Postby BrunelGooner » Mon May 06, 2019 7:03 pm

Angelito wrote:
BrunelGooner wrote:
Angelito wrote:
BrunelGooner wrote:
Angelito wrote:Lest we forget:

Regarding this thread and Mesut Ozil in general, the Mod team has discussed on the exceeding amount of trolling, instigating, abusing, and negativity surrounding Ozil and the thread.

That is why - on behalf of the Mod team - I'd like to issue a warning to members who have been leaders in instigating these negative discussions with the sheer intention of contributing to enhancing the toxicity and sheer hatred against Ozil.

Posts beyond constructive and objective criticism of Mesut Ozil shall be deleted and the guilty party will receive an official warning - and/or be possibly banned depending on the severity of the action. The judgment lies with the Mod team.

This doesn't simply apply to Ozil haters but also Ozil sympathizers. I know it has been difficult reading through this thread, and we've all lost our heads, but better heads must prevail - so either way, abusive posts against those who constructively critique Ozil's performance shall also be warned and those posts will be deleted.

Mesut Ozil - like any other Arsenal player - is a Gunner. At the end of the day, he is one of us. Criticism should be warranted and objective. Such discussions are welcomed here and appreciated by everyone as long as they're rational and logical.

This is a warning to trolls and to those who contribute to the toxicity. I don't want to name names. You know who you are. That said, this is also a warning to those who support Ozil blindly.

The aim is to be rational and neutral - and engage in an insightful and stimulating discussion.

I hope we can all adhere to this.

Thank you,

On behalf of the Mod team.


It's a shame you don't apply this same consistency when it comes to criticism of Emery. Like that time when you said his biggest achievement in his career was getting beaten 6-1 by Barcelona.

Either be consistent with how you choose to apply these rules or don't do it at all. You can't be selective when it suits you, which is what you have been doing far too often.


Thank you for letting me know that I've called Unai Emery a c***, "the most overrated player in Arsenal's history," a twinkie, and a money-grabbing c*** who's stealing a living here.

Yep. I should not be more selective. How dare one criticize Unai Emery's biggest UCL moment when all of us could simply abuse a member of Arsenal using obscene lingos, innuendos, and accusing him—the de facto CEO of Arsenal, apparently—of paying himself an astronomical sum in wages.

I'm on the case. Thank you for your intelligent observation.


What a disingenuous, obnoxious and petulant reply. Then again, I don't see why I should expect any less from someone who clearly gets off on being a hypocrite. Do you even understand what you are saying or are you just arguing for the sake of it?

You have said in that very post that observations and criticisms have to be constructive and rational. You have said that the toxicity and negativity has to be reduced. By making comments like Emery is responsible for the "Sevillization of Arsenal" and that the biggest achievement in his career is getting beaten 6-1 by Barcelona (which is disrespectful considering he has actually won trophies in his career and worked wonders on a tight budget in Valencia), how are you not contributing to that toxicity and negativity?

Let me guess...what you said doesn't come under the umbrella of 'toxicity' or 'negativity', but of course, you are the gatekeeper of what constitutes negativity and what does not.

There is no denying it. You are a hypocrite and you know it.


There's a difference between criticizing someone and flat-out abusing someone. There is also a difference between accusing someone of a certain thing and trying to engage in a discussion, which you've shown no intention of doing in your last two posts.

My earlier response was a sarcastic remark on what's been going on in this thread. If you'd bothered to check, the replies prior, you wouldn't be so ruffled so as to equate personal abuses with criticism, as you've just done. You simply needed an avenue to vent it out.

Nonetheless, you're assuming on my behalf and you have no intention to discuss this, as you're already in an argumentative mode, rather in a mood to hurl accusations, than to discuss this rationally.

Now, before deviating to your favorite topic of Unai Emery, in a Mesut Ozil thread, I'd simply want to point out how conveniently people ignore that he was managing Unlimited Finances FC in France and managed to bottle a humongous lead. Criticizing such a poverty display isn't the same as throwing insults towards one of our players.

And, I'll toss your own final statements at you; you do not decide on what's toxic and negative. Criticizing a manager who's bottled top-4 despite having the easiest of run-ins isn't the same as hurling abuses towards him. Likewise, attacking someone for having the nerve to criticize a manager who doesn't have a top-level reputation is one example of spreading toxicity and negativity.

Now, we shall know more about hypocrisy.

Fin.


This is going to be my last comment on this matter because I am not interested in constantly going backwards and forwards with you.

I still think you are creating false equivalences and are making one rule for yourself, and another for others. You are not going to change my mind on the double standards you have exemplified on numerous occasions. So I stand by my comment - you can deny it all you want, but you are a hypocrite.

And yes, after seeing that reminder post, it did put me in an argumentative mood because for too long I have seen you get away with using and abusing your power as a moderator to dictate to people what they should and should not do. I am not the only person to have had issues with the way you moderate this forum and the way you selectively target individuals based on what they say.

If you do not have the temperament or the composure to deal with people saying things that you do not like, then I strongly recommend you give your moderator powers to someone who can.

You criticising Emery for his 6-1 loss to Barcelona is not the issue here. Because that wasn't what you did. It is the comparison you drew with that result and then saying it is his biggest achievement. We all know what the implication is here...yet you say in the same breath you want criticism to be logical and objective and you want less negativity. Of course, anyone who dares to say anything about your golden boy Ozil stealing a living here is sacrilege and, all of a sudden, you start trying to lay down the law.

Oh - and do not for one second think that I will let you get away with your lazy accusations of me "attacking" you for criticising Emery. It's not even about Emery, it's about principle.

It is abundantly clear that you are more interested in the censorship of those who dare to criticise a player/staff member of AFC that you like, rather than allowing discussions and opinions to flow naturally.

That is what I have an issue with. Your deflection tactics will not work with me.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

Postby Power n Glory » Mon May 06, 2019 7:08 pm

Ozil may end the season with just 2 assists. I don't know how that's acceptable.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

Postby Dejan » Mon May 06, 2019 7:42 pm

Power n Glory wrote:Ozil may end the season with just 2 assists. I don't know how that's acceptable.
Just had 1 quality season here racking up 19 assists. Not very good for someone who has been lauded as the best attacking midfielder so many times on here.

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Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

Postby StLGooner » Mon May 06, 2019 7:44 pm

Even if we want to sell him, I can't see him wanting to leave. Never know though. How many years does he have left on the contract?
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Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

Postby starmandb » Mon May 06, 2019 7:49 pm

StLGooner wrote:Even if we want to sell him, I can't see him wanting to leave. Never know though. How many years does he have left on the contract?

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Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

Postby Angelito » Mon May 06, 2019 7:51 pm

BrunelGooner wrote:I still think you are creating false equivalences and are making one rule for yourself, and another for others. You are not going to change my mind on the double standards you have exemplified on numerous occasions. So I stand by my comment - you can deny it all you want, but you are a hypocrite.


That's all you've done so far. Going round and round to call me a hypocrite when I simply criticized Emery. The fact that you called Ozil my golden boy and went ahead and argued with me for no reason pretty much tells how much vile there was waiting to explode.


And yes, after seeing that reminder post, it did put me in an argumentative mood because for too long I have seen you get away with using and abusing your power as a moderator to dictate to people what they should and should not do. I am not the only person to have had issues with the way you moderate this forum and the way you selectively target individuals based on what they say. If you do not have the temperament or the composure to deal with people saying things that you do not like, then I strongly recommend you give your moderator powers to someone who can.


Again. Seems like a load of drivel coming from someone who seems to be pretty spiteful because that's all you've revealed in this exchange.


You criticising Emery for his 6-1 loss to Barcelona is not the issue here. Because that wasn't what you did. It is the comparison you drew with that result and then saying it is his biggest achievement. We all know what the implication is here...yet you say in the same breath you want criticism to be logical and objective and you want less negativity. Of course, anyone who dares to say anything about your golden boy Ozil stealing a living here is sacrilege and, all of a sudden, you start trying to lay down the law.


Again, stealing a living. Golden boy. But when you dare talk about Unai's biggest international highlight, you get offended... Tsk, tsk.


Oh - and do not for one second think that I will let you get away with your lazy accusations of me "attacking" you for criticising Emery. It's not even about Emery, it's about principle.


Now, you're sounding like a Bad-Ass. Please carry on.


It is abundantly clear that you are more interested in the censorship of those who dare to criticise a player/staff member of AFC that you like, rather than allowing discussions and opinions to flow naturally.

That is what I have an issue with. Your deflection tactics will not work with me.


No, it's simply you failing to see what's in front of you because you're so blinded. I don't even want to clarify half of the accusations you've hurled towards me because I dared criticize Unai Emery.

You have attacked personally, yet you can't even own that. You'd rather continue berating someone who's raised valid arguments and would gladly compare it to someone calling our own player a c***, or stealing a living as you yourself have.

If anyone's a hypocrite here, you've done a good job of auditioning for it.

Here's a piece of advice—before accusing someone of being the thing that you are, use you cool and calm head rather than jumping around like a chaotic loon who's so immersed in negativity that the only thing that comes out of it is toxicity.


BrunelGooner wrote:This is going to be my last comment on this matter because I am not interested in constantly going backwards and forwards with you.


Thank you very much for concluding the most useless discussion. Instead of simply bickering, you could have gotten a lot more done in this time.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

Postby Tony_Adams » Mon May 06, 2019 7:51 pm

Ozil's sh!t :hiding:
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Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

Postby Tony_Adams » Mon May 06, 2019 7:52 pm

Ozil's better than Bergkamp ever was :hiding:
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