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Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:32 am
by theHotHead
Va-Va-Voom wrote:Henry used to drop deep to get the ball all the time and he was a striker, not even a no.10.

By all the time I think you mean once in a blue moon. It was hardly all the time. If you mean dropping deep to the halfway line. Ozil drops deep to pick up the ball from the defense when he cannot get on the ball further forwards.

Note he didn't have to do that against Napoli.

Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:34 am
by theHotHead
Nuggets wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
Nuggets wrote:Didn't do himself any favors in that game, not really surprised though.

Neither am I. When the team plays shit, ,guess what, so does Ozil.


Oh, so he takes his cue from the team weather to play well or not lol

To reiterate this point, the team played well, Ozil put in a MoTM performance alongside Ramsey and Torreira. This is how Ozil works, get players around him that complement his game and you get the best out of him. Had Laca and Auba showed up yesterday we could have scored 5 or more.

Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:58 pm
by StLGooner
Losmeister wrote:
StLGooner wrote:
swipe right wrote:Here comes the usual scapegoating. Boring.



Exactly, whole team plays shit, lets blame the highest paid player. :rolleyes:

He actually wasn't as bad as others.


damnation by faint praise... a tried and true ozil defense


Not so much a defense, as it is just calling out hypocrites for always pointing fingers at Ozil instead of the players that actually played worse, or who were more responsible for the loss than him. If the rest of the team played well and he was the Achilles heal in the game, then by all means call him out. But it gets a bit embarrassing and knee jerk that when the team plays bad, we have to see these little whiny kids come to his thread and blame him. Win as a team, lose as a team.

Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:01 pm
by Nuggets
theHotHead wrote:
Nuggets wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
Nuggets wrote:Didn't do himself any favors in that game, not really surprised though.

Neither am I. When the team plays shit, ,guess what, so does Ozil.


Oh, so he takes his cue from the team weather to play well or not lol

To reiterate this point, the team played well, Ozil put in a MoTM performance alongside Ramsey and Torreira. This is how Ozil works, get players around him that complement his game and you get the best out of him. Had Laca and Auba showed up yesterday we could have scored 5 or more.


Can't argue with that.

Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:05 pm
by aniym
Ozil's numbers have been weak since Alexis and Giroud left. They will only get worse once Ramsey goes, since their play styles complement each other.

I'd want to get rid in the summer, but we can't have two starting mids leave in the same window.

Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:49 pm
by Losmeister
motm? riiiiiiiight

Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:12 pm
by theHotHead
Who was better than him?

Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:37 pm
by Sims
I don’t think there was a standout

Him, Rambo and Lucas were all quality

Sokratis, Kos and AMN also very good

Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:29 pm
by CynicalGooner
theHotHead wrote:Ozil put in a MoTM performance

:rofll:

no

Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:33 pm
by swipe right
Won all six games that Auba, Laca, Ozil and Ramsey have started this season.

Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:36 pm
by Angelito
On Ozil dropping deep, I'm not sure where the myth comes from that he doesn't because he does. He plays a lot deeper these days than he used to. Against Napoli, he dropped deep. Against Newcastle at home, he was pretty much playing as a DLP and AM combined in one.

Against Napoli, I'd say Torreira was the MotM. Ozil, Koscielny, and Niles were all very good. Ramsey scored and looked lethal, but was sloppy otherwise.

Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 4:28 pm
by Losmeister
Angelito wrote:On Ozil dropping deep, I'm not sure where the myth comes from that he doesn't because he does. He plays a lot deeper these days than he used to.


my experience has been that folks who love mesut COMPLAIN that he has to drop deeper to get himself involved.

my ONLY point is .....SO WHAT?!

people repeatedly say i hate mesut. i dont. i am a harsh critic cos i wanna see the guy at his best and helping us win and have many opportunities to score.

is he THE problem with AFC? I say no. When he does not play well he is A problem, yes.

we needa ger ridda several players at minimum and increase the quality overall.

Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:59 am
by theHotHead
CynicalGooner wrote:
theHotHead wrote:Ozil put in a MoTM performance

:rofll:

no

Ditto the above, who was better than him?

I see a lot of big chat but nothing behind it.

Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:49 am
by StLGooner
theHotHead wrote:
CynicalGooner wrote:
theHotHead wrote:Ozil put in a MoTM performance

:rofll:

no

Ditto the above, who was better than him?

I see a lot of big chat but nothing behind it.



Torreira was better. Ozil was good though, but Tor was more influential.

It doesn't always have to be one extreme or the other with Ozil. He can play, good, great, godly, awful, just so, so, horrible. Not every game he plays well in means he was the best on the pitch.

Re: Mesut Özil (10) ~ Hero, Icon, Legend

PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:51 am
by StLGooner
Losmeister wrote:
Angelito wrote:On Ozil dropping deep, I'm not sure where the myth comes from that he doesn't because he does. He plays a lot deeper these days than he used to.


my experience has been that folks who love mesut COMPLAIN that he has to drop deeper to get himself involved.

my ONLY point is .....SO WHAT?!

people repeatedly say i hate mesut. i dont. i am a harsh critic cos i wanna see the guy at his best and helping us win and have many opportunities to score.

is he THE problem with AFC? I say no. When he does not play well he is A problem, yes.

we needa ger ridda several players at minimum and increase the quality overall.


I think this argument is getting lost now. The whole dropping deep thing came up because he head to do it in like 1 game recently. Not that he does it all the time. He had to do it because our CM's weren't performing well, so him and Mhiki had to drop back to help. How it has turned into this argument I have no clue. :dizzy: