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Power n Glory wrote:Stats aren't everything though. But for midfield dominance and controlling a game, I don't rate Ozil highly either. Fabregas was great at dictating a game. Rosicky made a huge difference when he started playing as CM too. Same goes for Cazorla. With Ozil, he needs one of those players next to him other wise we lack control in the midfield. We're certainly not as dominant as we've been in the past.

StLGooner wrote:

Power n Glory wrote:

StLGooner wrote:There is more to football than just assisting or scoring, so many forget that. Plus, we have other players on the team to assist to, why just focus on two players? He does way more for us in attack than just assist. Stop concentrating on just stats, actually watch the guy play and see how he controls things, and can turn and beat a player in midfield. Something Ramsey can't do consistently enough.

But if you're trying to justify his salary then you'll never be able to. Doesn't mean he isn't needed or isn't great for us.

LOL... Oh dear!

You just said he'd flourish in that area if he played and wasn't on the bench. I've given out the stats for that now you want to talk about something else despite involving yourself in a conversation based around assist stats. If you'd have started your response with this sort of post then fair enough. This looks like an attempt to now switch goal posts.

Should we talk about his chance creation stats instead?

It's not, but it still stands. He has hardly played at all this year and you're complaining about his stats. Hardly seems fair does it? Then you only gives stats that pertain to two players. Just not a very good argument buddy. Not moving goal post, it's just your argument isn't very good.

Power n Glory wrote:

StLGooner wrote:

Power n Glory wrote:

StLGooner wrote:There is more to football than just assisting or scoring, so many forget that. Plus, we have other players on the team to assist to, why just focus on two players? He does way more for us in attack than just assist. Stop concentrating on just stats, actually watch the guy play and see how he controls things, and can turn and beat a player in midfield. Something Ramsey can't do consistently enough.

But if you're trying to justify his salary then you'll never be able to. Doesn't mean he isn't needed or isn't great for us.

LOL... Oh dear!

You just said he'd flourish in that area if he played and wasn't on the bench. I've given out the stats for that now you want to talk about something else despite involving yourself in a conversation based around assist stats. If you'd have started your response with this sort of post then fair enough. This looks like an attempt to now switch goal posts.

Should we talk about his chance creation stats instead?

It's not, but it still stands. He has hardly played at all this year and you're complaining about his stats. Hardly seems fair does it? Then you only gives stats that pertain to two players. Just not a very good argument buddy. Not moving goal post, it's just your argument isn't very good.

I bring up Lacazette and Aubameyang only because I originally started out by saying how people keep talking up hypotheticals scenerios when talking of Ozil. This idea that he’d flourish with Man City and better players around him. I’m just recalling when people were doing something similar and said that Giroud wasn’t good for Ozil and that he’d play a lot better with pacey strikers around him. That hasn’t been the case and Giroud might just be his ideal sort of partner.

StLGooner wrote:

Power n Glory wrote:Stats aren't everything though. But for midfield dominance and controlling a game, I don't rate Ozil highly either. Fabregas was great at dictating a game. Rosicky made a huge difference when he started playing as CM too. Same goes for Cazorla. With Ozil, he needs one of those players next to him other wise we lack control in the midfield. We're certainly not as dominant as we've been in the past.

I agree with that, but we aren't as dominant all around the pitch, no need to single out Ozil.

Power n Glory wrote:

StLGooner wrote:

Power n Glory wrote:Stats aren't everything though. But for midfield dominance and controlling a game, I don't rate Ozil highly either. Fabregas was great at dictating a game. Rosicky made a huge difference when he started playing as CM too. Same goes for Cazorla. With Ozil, he needs one of those players next to him other wise we lack control in the midfield. We're certainly not as dominant as we've been in the past.

I agree with that, but we aren't as dominant all around the pitch, no need to single out Ozil.

It’s you that singled him out for praise and how he controls the midfield as if done on his own and even singled out Ramsey for not being able to do it. When I refute the point with examples, I’m now singling him out for criticism. Lol. Come on. This is an Ozil thread. I see a lot of switching going on. It’s just best bot to talk about it at all.

StLGooner wrote:

Power n Glory wrote:

StLGooner wrote:There is more to football than just assisting or scoring, so many forget that. Plus, we have other players on the team to assist to, why just focus on two players? He does way more for us in attack than just assist. Stop concentrating on just stats, actually watch the guy play and see how he controls things, and can turn and beat a player in midfield. Something Ramsey can't do consistently enough.

But if you're trying to justify his salary then you'll never be able to. Doesn't mean he isn't needed or isn't great for us.

LOL... Oh dear!

You just said he'd flourish in that area if he played and wasn't on the bench. I've given out the stats for that now you want to talk about something else despite involving yourself in a conversation based around assist stats. If you'd have started your response with this sort of post then fair enough. This looks like an attempt to now switch goal posts.

Should we talk about his chance creation stats instead?

You know what’s a really poor argument? When someone can only respond by saying ‘you’re argument isn’t very good’. Take some time to pull out some stats on Ozil to refute what I’ve said or at least fact check the stats I’ve come up! I could have it all wrong with the numbers but you’re not presenting anything to counter what I’ve said. Deflecting to other players and hypothetical scenarios…..it doesn’t deal with what’s presented on Ozil. I watch him closely and look up the numbers and it’s a lot to be desired. He’s capable of so much more.


It's not, but it still stands. He has hardly played at all this year and you're complaining about his stats. Hardly seems fair does it? Then you only gives stats that pertain to two players. Just not a very good argument buddy. Not moving goal post, it's just your argument isn't very good.

theHotHead wrote:As shit as Ozil has been thus far this season I am at a loss as to how anyone cannot see that Ozil would automatically be better in a team like City that boss possession and have a far stronger midfield than ours. At a loss. You people are crackers.

StLGooner wrote:If you could read properly, you would see I made several points, more than just saying your argument is shit, which it still is, and I provided other stats. More than just the past two years to two specific players. Actually showing you how good he is compared to so called world class MF's from Madrid. Next subject!!

Power n Glory wrote:

StLGooner wrote:If you could read properly, you would see I made several points, more than just saying your argument is shit, which it still is, and I provided other stats. More than just the past two years to two specific players. Actually showing you how good he is compared to so called world class MF's from Madrid. Next subject!!

You’ve paid zero attention to the original point of my argument. I’ve read the Messi/Fulham scenario…that’s genius. That take long to flush out?

You gave the stats on Ozil’s overall Arsenal career compared to rival players that pays zero attention to what I’ve said specifically about the Arsenal strikers Ozil has played with….. Auba, Laca and Giroud. Maybe it’s best when find a new subject.

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StLGooner wrote:

Power n Glory wrote:

StLGooner wrote:If you could read properly, you would see I made several points, more than just saying your argument is shit, which it still is, and I provided other stats. More than just the past two years to two specific players. Actually showing you how good he is compared to so called world class MF's from Madrid. Next subject!!

You’ve paid zero attention to the original point of my argument. I’ve read the Messi/Fulham scenario…that’s genius. That take long to flush out?

You gave the stats on Ozil’s overall Arsenal career compared to rival players that pays zero attention to what I’ve said specifically about the Arsenal strikers Ozil has played with….. Auba, Laca and Giroud. Maybe it’s best when find a new subject.

It's because your argument or point, whatever it was is stupid. You said you don't understand why he don't flourish for only assisting to two of our players. Who the f**k cares! He flourishes when he plays on a consistent basis and when others are playing well too. But when the whole team doesn't play well and Ozil doesn't either, it's people on this forum that only point to him. Plus, those 3 have just now been together for a full season. And you're basing your retarded argument off of one season, half of which Ozil hasn't played much in, and also under a new manager and new system where the whole team isn't playing well. So again, find a new argument, or at least one that is relevant.