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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Rockape » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:31 pm

To be fair, I thought Ozil was utterly anonymous tonight. Receiving the ball and making a simple pass is not what we need. We need someone who will make things happen. Oh for just a Freddie Lundberg type player right now.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Va-Va-Voom » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:37 pm

theHotHead wrote:The usual frauds out in force. Xhaka was not the problem. Ozil is not the problem. The manager is the damn problem


Xhaka is dogshit though
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Zanatos3 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:05 pm

Va-Va-Voom wrote:
theHotHead wrote:The usual frauds out in force. Xhaka was not the problem. Ozil is not the problem. The manager is the damn problem


Xhaka is dogshit though


Xhaka is Excrement!, Ozil is Expired, he WAS good, now he's just a good role model, charitable fellow & kind hearted..

They BOTH need to leave, 1 respectfully, 1 dishonorably discharged!

Look a Maddison, Look at Soyuncu

holding on to the past has Arsenal stagnating, 'Gunner no More!'

We not Known for shooting anymore, Know for impotence in front of Goal compared to Every capable opposition.

We need to move on!

3 30yr old Laca Ozil Auba, [Like me!], but all in the opposition half in the 1st& 2nd half, NONE OF THEM Pressing the Defenders Old Chelsea Evans,

nor the rest of them....

Just watching them play football.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby jayramfootball » Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:24 pm

Ozil was again our best player tonight.
Not great by amy means - but our best player nonetheless.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby EliteKiller » Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:56 pm

jayramfootball wrote:Ozil was again our best player tonight.
Not great by amy means - but our best player nonetheless.


This blind stupidity is beyond belief - Ozil was anonymous, he did nothing good and nothing bad might as well have stayed in bed ... look at the team comparisons ... he made just 39 passes, for a supposed play-maker that's pathetic, Leicester had four player with over 60 passes

Was that because Leicester had 70% possession? No it wasn't possession was nearly 50%/50% .... Ozil just didn't want the ball ... Kos, Guend, Bell all had 50% more touches than he did, as did our entire back line ...

Looking OK whilst hiding away for 90 minutes is not being "our best player" ... Ozil's role is to grab the game by the scruff of the neck and make things happen, otherwise he has no value ... contrast Ozil's 39 anonymous passes with Tielemans 50 passes and an assist, and there's no comparison it's a major reason why Leicester won and we looked shit. When our supposed best players go missing, we're screwed.

Bringing back Ozil was Emery's last mistake ... they both need to go ...
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Losmeister » Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:59 pm


Don't take any risks, oh no you need your stats tweet to read at least 90% pass accuracy so you can blame everyone else for the loss despite your opposite number in Maddison showing just how shit you really are.

Whatever you do, even if just 25 yards out, never shoot at goal, never!


easy to defend. evefryone knows anywhere from 25 yds in that you dpnt have to defend him at all. just the other players cos he is too pussy to show how lame his shooting is.

eff off to MLS
Kai Havertz nutmegged ur GK
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby immsun » Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:58 am

EliteKiller wrote:
jayramfootball wrote:Ozil was again our best player tonight.
Not great by amy means - but our best player nonetheless.


This blind stupidity is beyond belief - Ozil was anonymous, he did nothing good and nothing bad might as well have stayed in bed ... look at the team comparisons ... he made just 39 passes, for a supposed play-maker that's pathetic, Leicester had four player with over 60 passes

Was that because Leicester had 70% possession? No it wasn't possession was nearly 50%/50% .... Ozil just didn't want the ball ... Kos, Guend, Bell all had 50% more touches than he did, as did our entire back line ...

Looking OK whilst hiding away for 90 minutes is not being "our best player" ... Ozil's role is to grab the game by the scruff of the neck and make things happen, otherwise he has no value ... contrast Ozil's 39 anonymous passes with Tielemans 50 passes and an assist, and there's no comparison it's a major reason why Leicester won and we looked shit. When our supposed best players go missing, we're screwed.

Bringing back Ozil was Emery's last mistake ... they both need to go ...

You watch the game or not?

Watch the game and see ozil how he was deprived of the balls when in acres of soace.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Nuggets » Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:09 am

Rockape wrote:To be fair, I thought Ozil was utterly anonymous tonight. Receiving the ball and making a simple pass is not what we need. We need someone who will make things happen. Oh for just a Freddie Lundberg type player right now.

He was but the fan boys can't accept that, he wasn't the worst but he certainly wasn't the best, jog jog pass jog jog pass. It wasn't his fault we lost but he didn't pull out any stops to try to prevent the loss.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby EliteKiller » Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:50 am

immsun wrote:Watch the game and see ozil how he was deprived of the balls when in acres of soace.


This fanboy drivel .... a good player demands the ball not hides on the periphery, let me guess it's the other ten players fault AGAIN ... do Messi or Ronaldo ever only have 39 touches a game? and they're marked far more closely than Ozil ... the fact is he's now so ineffective defenders don't even need to stay close, they know he won't hurt them, and once again they were proved right.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby elkanofan » Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:20 am

EliteKiller wrote:
immsun wrote:Watch the game and see ozil how he was deprived of the balls when in acres of soace.


This fanboy drivel .... a good player demands the ball not hides on the periphery, let me guess it's the other ten players fault AGAIN ... do Messi or Ronaldo ever only have 39 touches a game? and they're marked far more closely than Ozil ... the fact is he's now so ineffective defenders don't even need to stay close, they know he won't hurt them, and once again they were proved right.
Your wrong.

He wasant totally annynmous infact Ozil was by far our worst player. Lol. Just thought i would emphasise your assessment while strght to the point was still being rather kind.

He never demanded the ball once in good central areas, looked to try risky passes from central areas or god forbid actually take on a player. Refused to do anything of note in the final third once again, even after leicester scored he had a clear run what the defence with laca and auba central available to pass or work a one two. He chickened out as usual and passed with to Kolasianc who had nobody free in the box and his cross was easily saved.

His attacking runs off the ball where pathetic all game and attacks broke down due to him stuck out on the wings, tired after his little run while Torreria at times ffs again had to make vertical runs to support the attack, even Bellerin at times moved central to try support Auba and Laca.

His teammates towards the end started ignoring him numerous times since he does what he always does and plays his own game separate to what he team needs.

Dont even get me started with how bad he was off the ball.

When Emery leaves he needs to kick this guy out the club. The earlier the better.

He's absolutley worthless now! Problem is his entourage have won the media war already, Emery is a broken man who has nothing left and we don't have other midfielders who can play attacking mid effectively.

We are finishing 10th at this rate. He's proof player power is out of control at Arsenal.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Mike Dean » Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:26 am

If you are expecting Ozil to be the Ozil of 5 years ago, you are not going to get it. Kind of ridiculous to compare him to Ronaldo and Messi to make a point as well. I think pretty much every player will come short if that is your criteria. They are not in the same class.

OTOH, If you think he should be played full 90 minutes of every match, you are not getting it either.

The two sides, one that will always discredit him no matter what, and the other that will always credit him no matter what, seem to always go to extremes. The truth is somewhere in the middle.

Is he worth the money he is getting? Of course not. And Arsenal goofed up here.

So what do you do now?

You need a pragmatic business approach and the question you need to ask is:

How can I get the best return on the money I am paying out one way or the other, while also maximizing the wins to give the team best chance to qualify for CL?

Clearly NOT playing Ozil at all is not the answer because the results this season have shown it. If Arsenal was winning without him, not many would complain or ask for him to be brought back.

This would have been my approach given what Arsenal have right now:

1) Play him more at home.
2) Dont play him or play him in reduced minutes against top teams, especially on the road.
3) Play him more against mid to lower table teams.
4) Limit his minutes to about 60-70 in games he does play.
5) Play him behind Laca, Auba, and Pepe at home against weaker teams.
6) Use him tactically because while he has lost his speed and the ability to break through players, he is still miles ahead tactically and technically compared to most of our players, can still help retain possession, and can help with his footballing IQ on the pitch. The ball moves better in attack with him on the pitch. It always has.

Freezing him completely out like Emery did earlier, does not help the team. You are pretty much freezing your creative player, an extra help, and more importantly getting 0 return for your expenditure.

Playing him full 90 minutes at this stage does not help the team either if he is going to be fatigued by the game is over, or in games he is struggling. You can react to his performance and make tactical switches in the second half if needed.

Emery has not managed his players and has failed tactically the entire season. This does not just apply to Ozil but pretty much the entire squad.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby immsun » Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:35 am

This is what happened time and again yesterday. These were easy passes but yes ignored and passed backwards. Same was done by Torrerira and Dozi. Time and time ozil made these runs and people say hes lazy.

https://i.postimg.cc/XYRHpNwJ/kolasinac1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/N0RNTh4x/kolasinac2.jpg
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Power n Glory » Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:56 am

Pzil wasn't lazy yesterday. He marked his man, Ndidi, won more tackles (3) than both Torriera and Guendouzi and since we were light on attackers with both Laca and Auba splitting to wide positions, it was his responsibility to help support attacks and not drop to deep and far away from them. It was tactical freakshow yesterday. Both strikers were having to do a lot of wing play and were tracking fullback runs when you want them in the box looking for goals.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Hybrid47 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:09 am

Bang on the money immsun.

Ozil made that kind of run time and time again only to not be found.

Laca was guilty of not spotting one and Matteo. This happened a few times and I think we just have to accept our players just aren't that smart.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby elkanofan » Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:14 am

Losmeister wrote:

Don't take any risks, oh no you need your stats tweet to read at least 90% pass accuracy so you can blame everyone else for the loss despite your opposite number in Maddison showing just how shit you really are.

Whatever you do, even if just 25 yards out, never shoot at goal, never!


easy to defend. evefryone knows anywhere from 25 yds in that you dpnt have to defend him at all. just the other players cos he is too pussy to show how lame his shooting is.

eff off to MLS
I think he only just about has enough even to be a decent 'star' player in the MLS.

He'd actually be better off in China first where anyone can be a star with ease. Even Nico Yennaris.
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