The Wizard of Özil

[UFGN]

A favourite phrase of religious bigots is "virtue signalling"

I say it is they who are virtue signalling.

Picking and choosing verses from scripture to support their own agenda..... can they be arsed to go to Church / Mosque though? Do they strictly fast? Do the observe Lent? Do they give money to charity? Etc etc etc

Virtue signalling.

[mel4]

I certainly hope it isn't and I choose to give it short shrift as highly unlikely

If it is true, it goes without saying it would make him a moron and a hypocrite

Most of his wealth comes as a result of Sky, who run casinos. He also wears the Barclays Premier league logo in every Prem match. Money lending is haraam yadayada

Religion and all its bullshit

Tbh I don't think that's the reason at all seeing as this is not the first time he's had this injury however ..............

I don't see how it would make him a moron for not wanting to wear the armband.

I wouldn't want to wear it either, not because I'm homophobic, its because I am against being publicly forced to show support for political causes that don't concern me personally just because I play a sport, that smacks of an empty political gesture for PC points rather than genuine support.
Especially if it was for religious reasons is even worse, it doesn't mean he harbours ill will toward gay people, it means his religion does and as a muslim he'd be open to criticism of hypocrisy.

How you judge someone is not if they wear an armband supporting a cause not their own, its how they treat someone face to face or in general.

If he wouldn't shake a gay mans hand when introduced and offered just because he's gay, I'd have a problem with it, but if he doesn't want to wear an armband supporting gay causes, or a political party or support for any cause not to his beliefs or leanings then I support his democratic freedoms to choose not to.

Its like that Irish player who refused to wear the poppy, people went ape sh*t, he has every right not to wear it or the players in the NFL who didn't take one knee, that didn't mean they don't like black people does it, not even all the black players took the one knee!

It is his job to wear the armband as captain. If he wears it again and his motives were as described, he is a hypocrite. If he uses images of himself as captain in his publicity, he is a hypocrite

I don't give a f**k that his beliefs are religious ones. I have not one iota of additional respect for anyone's religious beliefs any more than any standard belief or opinion

The comparison with the Poppy is not equal. The Poppy is a national thing which people in all walks of life can choose to wear or not.

The armband is there for a specific reason related to football

Firstly, we have 5 captains and if I recall correctly, Ozil has played some matches where Xhaka was the Captain. If true, it means that even Ozsil played, someone else could have been the Captain.
Secondly, Ozil has not come out to say he is not going to wear that armband because of his religious beliefs. So it is a non-issue.
Thirdly, even if it were, he has the right to. As long as his right is not criminal, does no one one any harm, nor racist, he is entitled to it. Being open minded or whatever it is these days, does not trump over anyone's right. It does not even have to be religious or whatever.
There are Moslems who abhor tattoos and earrings, and their are non-moslems who don't like those things too.

I have a military background and you won't catch me wearing the poppy. Do I hate remembrance day, no I don't. I still honor men who have served their country because it is a great service. I still have friends and family in service. My not wearing the poppy does not make me unpatriotic or a hypocrite. It is a personal decision just like not wearing a rainbow armband, or not being a vegetarian, or not doing this or that. Tell me all you want about this been different because people's lives are involved, tell that to the countless families who die in wars they know nothing about, or find another excuse to make your own belief or acceptance more important than mine.

The world we live in....

[UFGN]

I certainly hope it isn't and I choose to give it short shrift as highly unlikely

If it is true, it goes without saying it would make him a moron and a hypocrite

Most of his wealth comes as a result of Sky, who run casinos. He also wears the Barclays Premier league logo in every Prem match. Money lending is haraam yadayada

Religion and all its bullshit

Tbh I don't think that's the reason at all seeing as this is not the first time he's had this injury however ..............

I don't see how it would make him a moron for not wanting to wear the armband.

I wouldn't want to wear it either, not because I'm homophobic, its because I am against being publicly forced to show support for political causes that don't concern me personally just because I play a sport, that smacks of an empty political gesture for PC points rather than genuine support.
Especially if it was for religious reasons is even worse, it doesn't mean he harbours ill will toward gay people, it means his religion does and as a muslim he'd be open to criticism of hypocrisy.

How you judge someone is not if they wear an armband supporting a cause not their own, its how they treat someone face to face or in general.

If he wouldn't shake a gay mans hand when introduced and offered just because he's gay, I'd have a problem with it, but if he doesn't want to wear an armband supporting gay causes, or a political party or support for any cause not to his beliefs or leanings then I support his democratic freedoms to choose not to.

Its like that Irish player who refused to wear the poppy, people went ape sh*t, he has every right not to wear it or the players in the NFL who didn't take one knee, that didn't mean they don't like black people does it, not even all the black players took the one knee!

It is his job to wear the armband as captain. If he wears it again and his motives were as described, he is a hypocrite. If he uses images of himself as captain in his publicity, he is a hypocrite

I don't give a f**k that his beliefs are religious ones. I have not one iota of additional respect for anyone's religious beliefs any more than any standard belief or opinion

The comparison with the Poppy is not equal. The Poppy is a national thing which people in all walks of life can choose to wear or not.

The armband is there for a specific reason related to football

Firstly, we have 5 captains and if I recall correctly, Ozil has played some matches where Xhaka was the Captain. If true, it means that even Ozsil played, someone else could have been the Captain.
Secondly, Ozil has not come out to say he is not going to wear that armband because of his religious beliefs. So it is a non-issue.
Thirdly, even if it were, he has the right to. As long as his right is not criminal, does no one one any harm, nor racist, he is entitled to it. Being open minded or whatever it is these days, does not trump over anyone's right. It does not even have to be religious or whatever.
There are Moslems who abhor tattoos and earrings, and their are non-moslems who don't like those things too.

I have a military background and you won't catch me wearing the poppy. Do I hate remembrance day, no I don't. I still honor men who have served their country because it is a great service. I still have friends and family in service. My not wearing the poppy does not make me unpatriotic or a hypocrite. It is a personal decision just like not wearing a rainbow armband, or not being a vegetarian, or not doing this or that. Tell me all you want about this been different because people's lives are involved, tell that to the countless families who die in wars they know nothing about, or find another excuse to make your own belief or acceptance more important than mine.

The world we live in....

I'm quite sure I've covered all of that already

Just checked, yes I have

[UFGN]

Just wondering,

Hypothetical scenario:

if the rumours were instead that Ozil opted not to wear a Kick Racism Out Of Football symbol when other captains in the league wore one, the suggestion being that because of some obscure religion he follows he doesn't want to be seen supporting blacks in football

People would be cool with that Yes?

[Fran Solo]

So as a devout Muslim he refused to wear that armband and chose to lie to millions of people around the world in his social media faking injury? Lol.

[Ach]

Has this been confirmed?

[DiamondGooner]

Has this been confirmed?

Of course not ............. who needs confirmation on GW to start making accusations?

Just wondering,

Hypothetical scenario:

if the rumours were instead that Ozil opted not to wear a Kick Racism Out Of Football symbol when other captains in the league wore one, the suggestion being that because of some obscure religion he follows he doesn't want to be seen supporting blacks in football

People would be cool with that Yes?

So errhh .............. racism only refers to black people? wow.

I'm sure Ozil would be the first to wear it considering his Germany issues.

But hypothetically? .............. yes I'd be absolutely fine with it, I don't agree at all with your view that people should be bullied or corralled into supporting causes that they don't affiliate with, those are personal decisions, not business decisions, football is business not personal, enslavement or hijacking a players beliefs is not right nor should it be expected.

Just note that in future, "affiliate with" not disapprove or be against like you automatically assume every time someone doesn't toe the PC line.

[UFGN]

Has this been confirmed?

Of course not ............. who needs confirmation on GW to start making accusations?

Just wondering,

Hypothetical scenario:

if the rumours were instead that Ozil opted not to wear a Kick Racism Out Of Football symbol when other captains in the league wore one, the suggestion being that because of some obscure religion he follows he doesn't want to be seen supporting blacks in football

People would be cool with that Yes?

So errhh .............. racism only refers to black people? wow.

I'm sure Ozil would be the first to wear it considering his Germany issues.

But hypothetically? .............. yes I'd be absolutely fine with it, I don't agree at all with your view that people should be bullied or corralled into supporting causes that they don't affiliate with, those are personal decisions, not business decisions, football is business not personal, enslavement or hijacking a players beliefs is not right nor should it be expected.

Just note that in future, "affiliate with" not disapprove or be against like you automatically assume every time someone doesn't toe the PC line.

Ah that "PC" label again that you're so keen on

Once again, assuming that this was true in the first place, not supporting something is a statement. If it doesn't harm you not to support something so simple and modest then why not support it?

Let's cut through the shit. What you're saying is this: A campaign has been set up to show support for gay people in football and to try to make it feel like a safer place for them. And it's needed.... not a single premier league player is out.... can you blame them?

A captain of a major club decides he doesn't feel he wants to support it. Nobody's asking him to be gay, to even do an interview about it. All he has to do is wear an armband and be professional about it. NOT supporting something by doing something as modest as that is a statement in itself. A very negative statement. And, that he can't or won't explain his reasons speaks volumes.

"I, as a Muslim, don't feel I want to be associated with supporting gays in professional football"

Hmmmm. See what I mean?

[DiamondGooner]

Ah that "PC" label again that you're so keen on

Once again, assuming that this was true in the first place, not supporting something is a statement. If it doesn't harm you not to support something so simple and modest then why not support it?

There we go again, "If it doesn't harm you why not support it" because its a sign of affiliation, what's next? Black Lives Matter, Me too, Remain etc etc the list goes on.
Its not the point of if it doesn't harm you, the point is its a political statement you don't believe in or actually support being forced on you like your a walking political billboard.

You saying "why not wear it, otherwise it looks like your against it" is just insecurity, again you can't bully people into doing it, some people are big on keeping genuine dignity rather than just play the part for the cameras.

Just because someone doesn't affiliate or believe in it, or even want to be associated with it, doesn't mean they hate or are against you, your choice as an adult is your choice and I support you democratically to have the right to make your own choices and believe in your rights of equality ............ but I don't want to affiliate with or be associated with something that doesn't affect me, doesn't concern me and is to do with someones private sexual orientation, its not my business and I don't intend on making it my business.

I may agree with your rights to be gay and all your citizens and legal rights to be equal to anyone else, but there's no special treatment, and it doesn't mean I have to celebrate it the same way I don't expect you to celebrate me being straight.

Let's cut through the shit. What you're saying is this: A campaign has been set up to show support for gay people in football and to try to make it feel like a safer place for them. And it's needed.... not a single premier league player is out.... can you blame them?

A captain of a major club decides he doesn't feel he wants to support it. Nobody's asking him to be gay, to even do an interview about it. All he has to do is wear an armband and be professional about it. NOT supporting something by doing something as modest as that is a statement in itself. A very negative statement. And, that he can't or won't explain his reasons speaks volumes.

"I, as a Muslim, don't feel I want to be associated with supporting gays in professional football"

Hmmmm. See what I mean?

Support for gay people in the league which as far as we're aware doesn't exist yet? (as you say no one has come out)

Sorry but yes, personally, I see gay people as equal and having the same legal rights as anyone else, there is no special treatment, when a group receives special treatment its a sign of them needing help because they are undermined, sorry but I just don't see gay people fitting that bill anymore, I work with gay people, gay peoples rights like marriage etc are all coming into force ............ what more do you need from the public? live your life, go be happy, you don't need assistance anymore, apart from maybe just the odd legal tweak i.e military or whatever they haven't changed yet.

As for Ozil (again lets be clear this is not confirmed) if his religion frowns upon it, he may not personally but he'll look like a hypocrite or "fake muslim" if he were to do so, what's next, him wear an armband supporting alcohol?

I honestly don't see any reason at all why a footballer wouldn't come out or if he was gay we wouldn't know, in this day and age of social media.

[CynicalGooner]

If it's true it is very unprofessional and he should be sold for it. But that's IF it's true

However I have to say I think the whole rainbow armband thing is a big f***ing cringefest. It's NOT the same as kick racism out of football. The LGBT community don't just want to be tolerated or treated equally (which they are), they want to be celebrated, centre stage and receive preferential treatement.

Yes, football should be for everyone, absolutely. But football is no place for politically motivated social justice movements pushing their idealogical agendas. That will only cause divisions within fanbases, as we are seeing in this very thread.

Football is about football. I don't care who you f**k, or who our players f**k and neither should you. Rise above it for god sake

I'm sure that's not a popular opinion for some of the libtards on here but frankly I don't give a f**k

[UFGN]

Ah that "PC" label again that you're so keen on

Once again, assuming that this was true in the first place, not supporting something is a statement. If it doesn't harm you not to support something so simple and modest then why not support it?

There we go again, "If it doesn't harm you why not support it" because its a sign of affiliation, what's next? Black Lives Matter, Me too, Remain etc etc the list goes on.
Its not the point of if it doesn't harm you, the point is its a political statement you don't believe in or actually support being forced on you like your a walking political billboard.

You saying "why not wear it, otherwise it looks like your against it" is just insecurity, again you can't bully people into doing it, some people are big on keeping genuine dignity rather than just play the part for the cameras.

Just because someone doesn't affiliate or believe in it, or even want to be associated with it, doesn't mean they hate or are against you, your choice as an adult is your choice and I support you democratically to have the right to make your own choices and believe in your rights of equality ............ but I don't want to affiliate with or be associated with something that doesn't affect me, doesn't concern me and is to do with someones private sexual orientation, its not my business and I don't intend on making it my business.

I may agree with your rights to be gay and all your citizens and legal rights to be equal to anyone else, but there's no special treatment, and it doesn't mean I have to celebrate it the same way I don't expect you to celebrate me being straight.

Let's cut through the shit. What you're saying is this: A campaign has been set up to show support for gay people in football and to try to make it feel like a safer place for them. And it's needed.... not a single premier league player is out.... can you blame them?

A captain of a major club decides he doesn't feel he wants to support it. Nobody's asking him to be gay, to even do an interview about it. All he has to do is wear an armband and be professional about it. NOT supporting something by doing something as modest as that is a statement in itself. A very negative statement. And, that he can't or won't explain his reasons speaks volumes.

"I, as a Muslim, don't feel I want to be associated with supporting gays in professional football"

Hmmmm. See what I mean?

Support for gay people in the league which as far as we're aware doesn't exist yet? (as you say no one has come out)

Sorry but yes, personally, I see gay people as equal and having the same legal rights as anyone else, there is no special treatment, when a group receives special treatment its a sign of them needing help because they are undermined, sorry but I just don't see gay people fitting that bill anymore, I work with gay people, gay peoples rights like marriage etc are all coming into force ............ what more do you need from the public? live your life, go be happy, you don't need assistance anymore, apart from maybe just the odd legal tweak i.e military or whatever they haven't changed yet.

As for Ozil (again lets be clear this is not confirmed) if his religion frowns upon it, he may not personally but he'll look like a hypocrite or "fake muslim" if he were to do so, what's next, him wear an armband supporting alcohol?

I honestly don't see any reason at all why a footballer wouldn't come out or if he was gay we wouldn't know, in this day and age of social media.

He wears the logo of a bank on his shirt every league match - Muslims are not allowed to lend money or borrow money but he's cool with advertising a bank

When he was at Bremen their shirt sponsor was Targobank

When he was at RM he was happy promoting a f***ing casino

So who's virtue signalling here?

[Sims]

Cyn saying libtard is still not as bad as him rating Mkhitaryan imo

[CynicalGooner]

Cyn saying libtard is still not as bad as him rating Mkhitaryan imo

Oh look, a libtard in the wild. Quiet everyone, you might spook it!

I guess the idea of Ozil not liking gays confuses you, as you've been choking on his dick for the past 4 years

[Nuggets]

Cyn saying libtard is still not as bad as him rating Mkhitaryan imo

Oh look, a libtard in the wild. Quiet everyone, you might spook it!

I guess the idea of Ozil not liking gays confuses you, as you've been choking on his d*** for the past 4 years

[UFGN]

If it's true it is very unprofessional and he should be sold for it. But that's IF it's true

However I have to say I think the whole rainbow armband thing is a big f***ing cringefest. It's NOT the same as kick racism out of football. The LGBT community don't just want to be tolerated or treated equally (which they are), they want to be celebrated, centre stage and receive preferential treatement.

Yes, football should be for everyone, absolutely. But football is no place for politically motivated social justice movements pushing their idealogical agendas. That will only cause divisions within fanbases, as we are seeing in this very thread.

Football is about football. I don't care who you f**k, or who our players f**k and neither should you. Rise above it for god sake

I'm sure that's not a popular opinion for some of the libtards on here but frankly I don't give a f**k

That's one of the most misinformed and ignorant things I've ever read on this forum.

There certainty is a section of the LGBT community who are particularly political and cringy but that is not what this is about

Not one player has come out. Now unless you believe that out of the hundreds of Prem players nobody is gay, ask yourself why that is

Arsenal are overall probably the best club for support of the gay community but that is not replicated across football.