theHotHead wrote:Power n Glory wrote:I've pointed you to the Understat site and have shown you the low xG chances Ozil is creating in each game to counter the argument about key passes/chances created stat. Pepe, Auba and Lacazette are out performing him and creating better chances. So if you know how xG is counted you should remember our discussion about the difference between a good goal scoring opportunity or just a pass that results in a shot on goal.
I can see Ozil is working hard on defence, tracking back, marking and recovering the ball. Stats say one thing but video also shows he is working harder on defence because you won't see moments like we saw under Wenger where he's just walking and allowing players to bypass him.
Again, when it comes to video, if you can see a clear difference in the amount of positive passes Ozil played vs the ones he overshot, I don't know what other context you need? If I showed you a video of the chances Auba and Lacazette missed vs Burnley do you need anymore context as to why that particular game was a bad day at the office? It's worth watching the match again and just looking how quick Ozil is looking to turn on the ball and play it forwards instead of sideways or backwards.
PNG, in the 2 videos you posted, I didn't see an awful lot of difference in Ozil's game and the stats. You presented 2 videos and claimed there were big differences in his performances. I disagreed. I presented stats from Whoscored.com that didn't show a massive difference in what he did on the pitch. To quote stats from the Understat site:
Ozil vs Sheffield United - xG - 0.0. xA - 0.10
Ozil vs Newcastle United - xG - 0.61. xA - 0.19
Now come on, they do not show a massive difference in performance - like you are claiming !! Thats my point and thats the ONLY point I am making.
You're taking our previous xG debate out of context. The xA/xG discussion was from a couple weeks back when talking specially about Ozil's assists and chances he's creating. IMO he's not the best at creating chances anymore, hence why he's not getting assists but we can still find a use for him because he's still good at being the guy that makes the pass before the assist. The role Ceballos played against Newscatsle, I'd be perfectly happy for Ozil to play that role if we don't have Ceballos.
I'm not arguing that his xA was better for Newcastle. It is you that say you use stats to defend Ozil as tangible evidence and fair way to judge, But even when I argue the stats and point out how they aren't in his favour, the goal posts shift and the excuse is he needs perfect conditions to function. Just look below.
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=28687&p=1783654&hilit=understat#p1783654Again, look through the understat site and the games. If Torriera, Luiz and Xhaka can at least create high xG chances from deeper positions then maybe we stick Ozil in an area of the park where he can actually touch the ball more and maybe do damage from a deeper position. It's 2020 and we're not going to buy a midfield to accommodate Ozil.
Your response to that was....
Again, I will bring up the Man U game where we saw a completely different Ozil, the Ozil of old receiving the ball between the lines and doing damage. Thats the blueprint of the system that works for Ozil. The question is how do we get him to find those spaces AND receive the ball in those spaces EVERY GAME?!!
Check the stats vs Man Utd.
https://understat.com/match/11844Ozil's xA was still low and 0.11 where Pepe was on top with 0.39 and then Laca with 0.15. I believe we were discussing Ozil's performance against Burnley when you made the comment but his xA vs Burnley was 0.15 which was better than the game where you say we've seen the best of Ozil this season. So to wrap up, in games where you say there is a massive difference, the stats can't back up your claim either. If you can't see a difference in the performance through video footage or stats....what else is there left to assume except just an overall bias for Ozil?
