by Power n Glory » Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:24 pm
by elkanofan » Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:35 pm
Power n Glory wrote:No because Petit and Gilberto are two examples of players that evolved. Gilberto started his career as a CB and moved into a DM role. Petit was CM, moved into a DM role and ended up playing as CB after Arsenal.
So you're telling me a DM that just shields the midfield can work for us? So what happens when that DM isn't a great passer and panics with the ball at his feet? This is exactly the sort of player you'd scapegoat as to why we can't get the ball to Ozil. Playere like Elneny or Coquelin.
When I say a player needs to be able to play multiple roles I mean they have to be a good all round. Able to pass, defend, progress the ball.....
by immsun » Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:57 pm
by Power n Glory » Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:02 pm
by ag6789 » Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:28 pm
by elkanofan » Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:46 pm
Hoof and hope Stoke under Pulis are a good point to what ae just don't see in the game anymore. The eradication of this type of team and its players hasn't yielded a fountain of creativity to take football forward.Power n Glory wrote:@Elk I think you're lamenting the lack of stars in the game and those with ridiculous tricks. I wouldn't say the game lacks technique overall. We're be seeing more hoof and run teams if that were the case.
ag6789 wrote:I'm sure we'll get top notch skilled players again, the likes of Messi, Iniesta, Ronaldinho again. There's always a lull when one batch goes into the sunset and everyone thinks that's it. We're done.
Same happened w/Zico , Secretes, Falcao
Maradona etc, and before them, Rivelino, Tostao, Pele & Co.
by theHotHead » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:10 pm
elkanofan wrote:Hoof and hope Stoke under Pulis are a good point to what ae just don't see in the game anymore. The eradication of this type of team and its players hasn't yielded a fountain of creativity to take football forward.Power n Glory wrote:@Elk I think you're lamenting the lack of stars in the game and those with ridiculous tricks. I wouldn't say the game lacks technique overall. We're be seeing more hoof and run teams if that were the case.
Instead a generation of almost clone like players with fewer talents to marvel at compared to what we saw even 10 years ago.ag6789 wrote:I'm sure we'll get top notch skilled players again, the likes of Messi, Iniesta, Ronaldinho again. There's always a lull when one batch goes into the sunset and everyone thinks that's it. We're done.
Same happened w/Zico , Secretes, Falcao
Maradona etc, and before them, Rivelino, Tostao, Pele & Co.
The problem is its already been over 10-15 years since that generation and the current 20-26 year olds generation has completely failed to reproduce anything like that generation. The failure and downfall has already happened, we are experiencing it right now and its only going to get worse.
by Sims » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:16 pm
by Power n Glory » Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:25 pm
elkanofan wrote:Hoof and hope Stoke under Pulis are a good point to what ae just don't see in the game anymore. The eradication of this type of team and its players hasn't yielded a fountain of creativity to take football forward.Power n Glory wrote:@Elk I think you're lamenting the lack of stars in the game and those with ridiculous tricks. I wouldn't say the game lacks technique overall. We're be seeing more hoof and run teams if that were the case.
Instead a generation of almost clone like players with fewer talents to marvel at compared to what we saw even 10 years ago.ag6789 wrote:I'm sure we'll get top notch skilled players again, the likes of Messi, Iniesta, Ronaldinho again. There's always a lull when one batch goes into the sunset and everyone thinks that's it. We're done.
Same happened w/Zico , Secretes, Falcao
Maradona etc, and before them, Rivelino, Tostao, Pele & Co.
The problem is its already been over 10-15 years since that generation and the current 20-26 year olds generation has completely failed to reproduce anything like that generation. The failure and downfall has already happened, we are experiencing it right now and its only going to get worse.
by ag6789 » Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:16 pm
by Angelito » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:04 am
You signed Mesut Ozil for a then club record fee of £42.4m - what do you make of his career currently?
I feel it is a waste for him.
Firstly because he's in the years where a player of his talent can produce the most. And it's a waste for the club as well because he's a super talent, a creative talent that in the final third can create that killer pass.
The way football is going at the moment it's quick counter-pressing, quick transitions and everybody plays the same. It's kicked out players like Ozil. Although let's not forget who this guy is. A world champion who has played at Real Madrid.
He's been the record player of assists, so you have to find a way to get him involved again.
- AW
by theHotHead » Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:23 am
ag6789 wrote:As long as you've good technique and ability to keep the ball, you'll have advantages over the other, like Sanchez and Aguero, Messi etc. These are all small people but they get the better of tall and stronger guys w/ their technique and ball control. Been that way forever in football. I'm sure we'll continue to see skilled players showing up and dominate the game again and again. Just a matter of time.
by Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:13 pm
theHotHead wrote:ag6789 wrote:As long as you've good technique and ability to keep the ball, you'll have advantages over the other, like Sanchez and Aguero, Messi etc. These are all small people but they get the better of tall and stronger guys w/ their technique and ball control. Been that way forever in football. I'm sure we'll continue to see skilled players showing up and dominate the game again and again. Just a matter of time.
I hear you but not really. Small technical players had a hard time in the era of your Glenn Hoddles and before that, footballers tended to be bigger. If you were small you struggled to get trials, you had to be a standout player technically. which is why I think, from that era, 70s, 80s and even 90s, the perception was small players were the skillful players when in reality its just the cream of the crop of the small players only got through.
by Power n Glory » Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:56 am
Arsenal paid Mesut Ozil a loyalty bonus last month… earning the outcast midfielder a reported £8million!
The contractual payment was part of the £350,000-a-week, three-year deal he signed with the Gunners in January 2018.
by jayramfootball » Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:00 am
Power n Glory wrote:https://talksport.com/football/772514/arsenal-mesut-ozil-loyalty-bonus-transfer/Arsenal paid Mesut Ozil a loyalty bonus last month… earning the outcast midfielder a reported £8million!
The contractual payment was part of the £350,000-a-week, three-year deal he signed with the Gunners in January 2018.
Unbelievable. What a mess.