The Wizard of Özil

[jayramfootball]

One word answer needed. Ozil or Willock.

You can't answer.

Case closed. Hatred is strong.

Neither are good enough mate.

Willock needs a loan spell imo. The kid doesn’t have a sense for the game, his reading of the game is not up to the mark. He needs a lot of playing time to develop that which I don’t should get from us at this moment in time.

Özil should be in the States tbf

OZIL is done out here... the MLS is waiting for him.


Getting rid of Ozil would be our best business in the summer. Get rid of all this negative energy. He’s not good enough to even make squads but he’s always going to be brought up in the media after a loss. . He’s so sly behind the scenes.

So Willock or Ozil? Which one do you thin is better?

[hs6bx]

Willock isn’t a good example. I don’t see the obsession with the comparison just because someone has said it once. The reality is that arteta is picking everyone of our midfielders ahead of a fit Ozil. This is because they all have a more positive impact on a game of football. If Arteta was the only manager to have done this there might be an argument. He isn’t. It’s not really different from having Ravel Morrison at Shef Utd. He might not have won the trophies but he’s a player many ex United staff have spoken about as being very gifted - guess what... he doesn’t get a game because his attitude stinks and always has done. Ozil doesn’t get a game because his attitude isn’t where it needs to be to play for arsenal football club, or any other club. Which again, is why no one will come in for him in spite of his availability.

[jayramfootball]

Willock isn’t a good example. I don’t see the obsession with the comparison just because someone has said it once. The reality is that arteta is picking everyone of our midfielders ahead of a fit Ozil. This is because they all have a more positive impact on a game of football. If Arteta was the only manager to have done this there might be an argument. He isn’t. It’s not really different from having Ravel Morrison at Shef Utd. He might not have won the trophies but he’s a player many ex United staff have spoken about as being very gifted - guess what... he doesn’t get a game because his attitude stinks and always has done. Ozil doesn’t get a game because his attitude isn’t where it needs to be to play for arsenal football club, or any other club. Which again, is why no one will come in for him in spite of his availability.

Arsenal lack creativity. We're 4th worst in the league for shots on goal because we're simply not creating chances.
Even Arteta knows that Ozil is our best player in this regard.
Ozil is not playing for NON football reasons - which we do not know - OR because Ozil is terrible at the defensive work and Arteta feels he can't play him give the current state of the Arsenal squad.

Arteta in an interview this week with Sky Sports:

Given Arsenal's struggles in that department, it is perhaps understandable some supporters have questioned the continued absence of Mesut Ozil, who still ranks top at the club for chances created this season despite not playing a single minute since the restart.

"I know what Mesut brings," says Arteta. "You only have to check his stats and look at what he's able to do in those tight areas without any space…" But his voice trails off. "That's all I can say," he adds.

ANY argument that claims Mesut is not our most creative midfielder is an argument not based on reality.

[Goonerz]

I see the Ozil delusional cultists are at it again.
They never learn.
They did the same during Emery’s tenure. They always wait in the bushes for the team to have a bad result and then bring up their now predictable “Ozil is our best creative player. We should play him no matter what”..

The guy keeps being involved in the poor results season in season out. But once he is dropped and we continue having bad results then his cultists as always appear from the bushes and start telling us how we need and miss Ozil.

He is a poor player, makes as much difference as the likes og Willock, Nketiah, Xhaka but on top of the he comes with a bad attitude and trouble.

He is not worth it. That is why Madrid, Germany, Emery, Ljungberg and now Arteta all have come to the same conclusion. He is an overrated/ overhyped fraud. He only sounds amazing when you hear his loyal apologists telling you how great he is. But watch him with your own eyes and you would laugh.

I hope Arteta stands his ground. Don’t give into the Ozil fangirls demands to include these flop into the team. Don’t be weak like Emery and the Board that gave into the Özil’s cultists demands.

The Ozil cultists pressured the board to hand Ozil such a ridiculous £350,000 a week contract that was not deserved.

They pressured weak Emery into bringing Ozil back into the team without merit.

Now they are at it again with Arteta. Once again trying to sneakily smuggle their cult hero back into the team not on merit.

Again. Arteta, be a real manager and call their bullcrap. At best Ozil has been a 6/10 signing for us. He has absolutely been Zero value for the amount we have spent on him. And I hope the Arsenal board have learnt a lesson with the Ozil saga. The guy has been a massive albatross.

Can’t wait for next season to end so that this circus guy can leave our club and take all his circus freaks (fangirls) with him. That would be amazing.

Totally with you on this. What do the Ozil fanboys say when no one comes in for him at the end of his contract? That every manager is deluded and they are right? Clearly bids are welcome for any player who isn’t in a teams plans. And if you think that arsenal wouldn’t take a very low offer and to pay half his wages to get rid of him you’re mad! It doesn’t make financial sense not to do this with a player who isn’t going to play... who is coming in for him... no one! Does there need to be any more evidence than that?

Mate. I have been calling these guys out together with their cult hero Ozil for more than 5 seasons on here. Lol

All those arguments have been made consistently on here for seasons but they just live in this ozil bubble. You can’t penetrate it. You must be new here.
You can never reason with them when it comes to Ozil. They only agree with your opinion if you are praising, worshipping and making excuses for him. Any slight movement away from that gets them all emotional, sensitive and besides themselves. It is never his fault no matter what. It’s always someone else’s fault (Managers, teammates, formation, the media, the fans, the racists, the weather etc..)
I have heard it. It’s all been used as the explanation for why Ozil has keeps being exposed season after season as an overrated, overhyped player for 6 seasons.
Welcome to the world of Ozil and his cultists.

Yeah mate I can see that it’s an obsession for some people. It’s kind of scary that the ozilittes are so quick to defend him even at the cost of their own dignity with some of the tirades they go on. There is a total ignorance of the rational arguments that people put forward, and instead they (one person in particular) nit pick the one post where someone drops in something controversial.

Bottom line as I said before... proof is in the pudding. Arsenal clearly don’t want Ozil and there is a big f**k off sign saying ‘bids welcome’ to any club that wants him, any manager that wants him... financially it makes sense for us to pay even a large portion of his wages and loan him out for a year. Rather than paying him 350k per week to show up at training.

But who will come in for this amazing players services??? No one. When that is proven beyond doubt this transfer window, what is the reason? That all managers at all clubs know nothing about football?? But the ozilittes clearly all do.

Some of us have been making these exact arguments for seasons now. But the ozil fanbase is already dug in. It’s like religion. Once you are dug into the idea then it is very difficult to bring yourself to question.

They will tell you that Ozil is world class and that all the big clubs would love to have him.
This is one of their many delusional catchphrase. “Imagine Ozil in a team City blach blah.., he would be breaking records with his assists stats blah blah”. Lol

But season after season you ask them a simple question. Okay then, “How come City has never come in for him?
United, Chelsea, Barcelona, Juventus, Bayern etc, non of them has ever shown any interet in this so called best No10 in the world. He ran down his contract to a few months in 2017. Absolutely no big club came in for him.
But the likes of Ramsey, Sanchez, Rvp, Nasri etc do the same and these clubs snap them up as quickly as possible.

But with ozil all you ever hear about are Turkish clubs, Mid Eastern clubs, Chinese clubs and MLS clubs. These are the only club rumours for ozil since he moved here. Arsenal seem to have realised they fcked up in handing him such a ridiculous contract and have been making it clear since 2018 that they are okay for him to leave. Rumours are that they are willing to pay a potion of his wages of any club can take him away from the club. For a skeptical person. Aren’t all these massive red flag?

But but he is world class, best No10 in the world blah blah..

The ozil delusion in some of them is strong and deep seated. It has clouded their reality.

[gooney]

I hope the club dont even register for him next season. Let him go out as a clown

[Santi]

Would like to cloud your reality tbh

[Goonerz]

But you are an Ozil cultist. No shame in that.
You lot remind me of the Trump cultists. Trump is always right and it’s only the communist, socialist liberals, The establishment, the Neocons fault.
To prove to you that you are an ozil cultist. Can you remind me of a time in his 6 or so seasons here where you have ever criticised him like you keep doing when it comes to our other players, managers etc?
With you cultists it’s always someone else’s fault for why your cult hero has been exposed as a flawed fraud player.
Isn’t it?
I’ll wait.

You are a simpleton, limited in knowledge and view. Nothing else to say really. You bring nothing to the debate. If is was such an open and shut case this Ozil debate would've died a long time ago, but because you are too stupid to put a point across - and/or too stupid to accept others have an opposing but valid view, you throw names like fanboy and cultist around.

I stat facts.
Have you got anything to add?
I have been calling the likes of you out on this forum for seasons. And the objective truth about Ozil seems to be on us the critics side like it has always been.
You lot make hypothetical arguments while some of us keep looking at the real elephant in the room (Ozil). The club seems to have had enough of him. The majority the Arsenal fanbase also seem to have had enough of him. No big clubs seem to want him. We have 3 Arsenal managers that have all come to the same conclusion about your cult hero. Madrid saw it from a far and got rid. Germany hounded him out. Ran down his contract at Arsenal and not a single big club ever or has ever come in for him apart from his usual Turkish, Chinese, MLS and Middle Eastern joke clubs. Lol

But it’s just us his critics that have no knowledge about football. All because we refuse to lick Özil’s balls like you lot. Those othee big club managers must also be have enough knowledge about football. Lol

Just a few diehard ozil fangirls are still fighting a lost cause. Lol

And isn’t it ao ironic that a person that is known to be the biggest snowflake on here has the guts to comment about name calling? Hahaha
Mate. That that is how you are known on here. The moment you joined this forum you started abusing and calling people names. You introduced yourself on this forum by swearing and calling people idiots, fcking this and that, stupid this and that etc.
Whenever an argument gets too much for you always turn to swearing and calling people idiots, stupid and other more derogatory terms. And childish social media way of arguing “Yeah, i killed your stupid argument. Destroyed. Finshed. Schooled Blah blah. Lol Smh

I call people fanboys, fangirls, cultists, fan-crowd, fan-club etc. Those are benign terms. I will never go farther than that like some of you the ozil fangirls seem to do. You move from such terms to labelling people as Stupid, Idiots, fkcing this and fcking that.

People call us Ozil haters, ozil bashers, ozil critics, they say we know nothing about football because we criticise ozil, which is fine. I have no problem with that.

Once upon a time I was labelled a so called AKB, i was one of the so called Wenger lovers, Wenger fanboys until 2014. But I acknowledged that the so called Wenger hater, Wenger Outs, were right all along. They wanted him gone from 2007. But i held on for another 7 years hoping and deluding myself that he was going to adapt to the new Modern game. I was wrong.

[jayramfootball]

But you are an Ozil cultist. No shame in that.
You lot remind me of the Trump cultists. Trump is always right and it’s only the communist, socialist liberals, The establishment, the Neocons fault.
To prove to you that you are an ozil cultist. Can you remind me of a time in his 6 or so seasons here where you have ever criticised him like you keep doing when it comes to our other players, managers etc?
With you cultists it’s always someone else’s fault for why your cult hero has been exposed as a flawed fraud player.
Isn’t it?
I’ll wait.

You are a simpleton, limited in knowledge and view. Nothing else to say really. You bring nothing to the debate. If is was such an open and shut case this Ozil debate would've died a long time ago, but because you are too stupid to put a point across - and/or too stupid to accept others have an opposing but valid view, you throw names like fanboy and cultist around.

I stat facts.
Have you got anything to add?
I have been calling the likes of you out on this forum for seasons. And the objective truth about Ozil seems to be on us the critics side like it has always been.
You lot make hypothetical arguments while some of us keep looking at the real elephant in the room (Ozil). The club seems to have had enough of him. The majority the Arsenal fanbase also seem to have had enough of him. No big clubs seem to want him. We have 3 Arsenal managers that have all come to the same conclusion about your cult hero. Madrid saw it from a far and got rid. Germany hounded him out. Ran down his contract at Arsenal and not a single big club ever or has ever come in for him apart from his usual Turkish, Chinese, MLS and Middle Eastern joke clubs. Lol

But it’s just us his critics that have no knowledge about football. All because we refuse to lick Özil’s balls like you lot. Those othee big club managers must also be have enough knowledge about football. Lol

Just a few diehard ozil fangirls are still fighting a lost cause. Lol

And isn’t it ao ironic that a person that is known to be the biggest snowflake on here has the guts to comment about name calling? Hahaha
Mate. That that is how you are known on here. The moment you joined this forum you started abusing and calling people names. You introduced yourself on this forum by swearing and calling people idiots, fcking this and that, stupid this and that etc.
Whenever an argument gets too much for you always turn to swearing and calling people idiots, stupid and other more derogatory terms. And childish social media way of arguing “Yeah, i killed your stupid argument. Destroyed. Finshed. Schooled Blah blah. Lol Smh

I call people fanboys, fangirls, cultists, fan-crowd, fan-club etc. Those are benign terms. I will never go farther than that like some of you the ozil fangirls seem to do. You move from such terms to labelling people as Stupid, Idiots, fkcing this and fcking that.

People call us Ozil haters, ozil bashers, ozil critics, they say we know nothing about football because we criticise ozil, which is fine. I have no problem with that.

Once upon a time I was labelled a so called AKB, i was one of the so called Wenger lovers, Wenger fanboys until 2014. But I acknowledged that the so called Wenger hater, Wenger Outs, were right all along. They wanted him gone from 2007. But i held on for another 7 years hoping and deluding myself that he was going to adapt to the new Modern game. I was wrong.

You throw opinions aronud as facts and with each post prove how much of a WUM you are.
You don't have the intelligence to argue a valid point.
You'll be treated as such until you learn to debate your points (right or wrong).
No one is right all the time, but even an incorrect view can stimulate debate.
You have a lot to learn and I fear you are stupid to learn anything.

[Goonerz]

One word answer needed. Ozil or Willock.

You can't answer.

Case closed. Hatred is strong.

Hahahaha
I am not comporting to your envisioned conclusion. And you are finding it hard. Hahahaha.

I really don’t know if you are serious or not.
How many times and how many paragraphs do you want me to write?
You are so in this Ozil bubble that your reality seems to be in the dumps now.

Willock and Ozil are average players. I would not choose any of them if i needed a goal. They are all poor goal scoring and goal creating players.

Ozil
18 App
1 Goal
2 Assistss

Willock
32 App
1 Goal
1 Assist

Looks at both those players Stats right there. Seriously. And then think about your question: If you need a goal, who would you choose between Willock and Ozil?
Hahaha

What a funny non question to ask. Two poor players that all have 1 goal to their name this season but you are asking people who they would choose between the two for a goal? Smh
Oh my goodness. You ozil fans are a funny lot.

I would not choose anyone of them if I needed a goal.
Goals don’t go together with Ozil and Willock it seems.

Willock vs Ozil for goals.
A) Ozil
b) Willock
c) None.

I will definitely go for Option (C), None. We have other options.

The manager (Arteta) seems to be going for option (B).

And you the Ozil fangirls seem to be going for option (A).

Hope it is more clear now.

[Goonerz]

So you agree he was a flop with Germany and in Madrid like goonerz seems to think?

Same with Germany. What I think you are conflating is that I keeps saying he flopped at the recent world cup. The one Germany won in 2014 Ozil was a peripheral figure. Was shoved outwide and not played in his so calle preferd No10 position. Midfield was a very key position and the manager did not trust Ozil in it.
My opinion of course.
That’s all.

I only comment about Germany national team. Saying Özil was a peripheral figure in 2014 is utter bollocks. After Neuer and Lahm he was the third player to be on the sheet, maybe par with Müller. He played wide, because it gave the best balance to the team. If Reus would not have been injured, Reus would have fought for a spot with Kroos, not Özil. Özil was always going to be in the team. I listened to most of Löws interviews and there is no doubt about that. He maybe didnt play his best in 2014 but was still a very important player for the team. Nobody could have replaced him. He was still a good player in Euro 2016 and played all the games.

He has had an average Arsenal career and it is going to leave a lot of questions. I agree to most here that his motivation is out of the window. Arteta seems to be a very fair guy so I dont doubt at all that Özil is just not doing enough in training. I am all for Arteta on this one.

I am a bit confused.

Yes, you are.

Ozil 2014 World Cup:

66 touches per game on average.
88% pass accuarcy.
17 chances created - 2.4 per game, second only to Messi in the entire tournament.
1 assist

Successful final third passes - 171 - the most in the entire tournament.
2nd in the entire tournament for WINNING POSSESSION in the final third of the pitch

5th in the tournament for winning corners.

You've already demonstrated you are clueless, but this time you went above above and beyond.

Hahaha.
You are yet to answer my question. I will not engage with you on this Germany issue. I will engage with @Chris Sherma” because he brought it up.

But you my friend “When was the first and last time have you criticised your cult hero (Ozil) ever since he joined in 2013? I am not letting tou run away from it. Deflectinf all over the place.
Have you even ever had any constructive criticism of your cult hero ever?

If not then you are bordering on obsession. A recipe for cultism. That is not a healthy thing. Even we criticise those that are dear to us (family, friends). But you not being able to find a time where yoi have criticised Ozil on here is worrying. That is MAGA / Trump supporter cultist territory.

I am still waiting.

And for your fellow Ozil fangirl “Hothead”. He is also hiding. I asked him to validate his typical “Ozil Chances Created” catchphrase.

I am still waiting for him to show these supposed created chances. But like you he is hiding.
Lol

[VCC]

Ozil ain't an option until he gets in the team

[Nuggets]

Ozil ain't an option until he gets in the team

Preferably at another club.

[VCC]

Ozil ain't an option until he gets in the team

Preferably at another club.

I'm all good with that probably be glad to pay some of his wage to do so

[jayramfootball]

So you agree he was a flop with Germany and in Madrid like goonerz seems to think?

Same with Germany. What I think you are conflating is that I keeps saying he flopped at the recent world cup. The one Germany won in 2014 Ozil was a peripheral figure. Was shoved outwide and not played in his so calle preferd No10 position. Midfield was a very key position and the manager did not trust Ozil in it.
My opinion of course.
That’s all.

I only comment about Germany national team. Saying Özil was a peripheral figure in 2014 is utter bollocks. After Neuer and Lahm he was the third player to be on the sheet, maybe par with Müller. He played wide, because it gave the best balance to the team. If Reus would not have been injured, Reus would have fought for a spot with Kroos, not Özil. Özil was always going to be in the team. I listened to most of Löws interviews and there is no doubt about that. He maybe didnt play his best in 2014 but was still a very important player for the team. Nobody could have replaced him. He was still a good player in Euro 2016 and played all the games.

He has had an average Arsenal career and it is going to leave a lot of questions. I agree to most here that his motivation is out of the window. Arteta seems to be a very fair guy so I dont doubt at all that Özil is just not doing enough in training. I am all for Arteta on this one.

I am a bit confused.

Yes, you are.

Ozil 2014 World Cup:

66 touches per game on average.
88% pass accuarcy.
17 chances created - 2.4 per game, second only to Messi in the entire tournament.
1 assist

Successful final third passes - 171 - the most in the entire tournament.
2nd in the entire tournament for WINNING POSSESSION in the final third of the pitch

5th in the tournament for winning corners.

You've already demonstrated you are clueless, but this time you went above above and beyond.

Hahaha.
You are yet to answer my question. I will not engage with you on this Germany issue. I will engage with @Chris Sherma” because he brought it up.

But you my friend “When was the first and last time have you criticised your cult hero (Ozil) ever since he joined in 2013? I am not letting tou run away from it. Deflectinf all over the place.
Have you even ever had any constructive criticism of your cult hero ever?

If not then you are bordering on obsession. A recipe for cultism. That is not a healthy thing. Even we criticise those that are dear to us (family, friends). But you not being able to find a time where yoi have criticised Ozil on here is worrying. That is MAGA / Trump supporter cultist territory.

I am still waiting.

And for your fellow Ozil fangirl “Hothead”. He is also hiding. I asked him to validate his typical “Ozil Chances Created” catchphrase.

I am still waiting for him to show these supposed created chances. But like you he is hiding.
Lol

i am not surprised you won;t engage in the 'Germany issue'.
You made a dumb ass comment so you are running away from it.

[Chris Sharma]

And since when has playing Ozil outwide been good for any teams balance?
Wait a minute. Lol. Haven’t Özil’s fans been telling / assuring us from day one that Ozil is not a wide / winger? Wasn’t wenger scolded by the ozil crowd on a consistent basis from 2013 for playing Ozil outwide?

We’ve constantly heard statements like this “Ozil is not a winger or a wide player, why is wenger continuously playing him there?”

“Ozil will never be a wide player because that is not his natural position and playing him there distracts the teams balance.”

“Ozil should either be played in his preferred No10 position or don’t play him all together. You dont buy a Ferrari and expect to drive it off-road”. Lol

But you are now trying to tell me that Ozil playing outwide was good for Germany’s team balance?
I am a bit confused.

You seem to be a very confused person. Where have I said that Özil playing wide would be a problem? If somebody else has said it, why are you confused?
It never was a problem for the German national team.