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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby EliteKiller » Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:34 am

The problem isn't Ozil getting 'shut down' it's the fact that our entire front three are isolated from the rest of the team .... when they did get the ball they invariably had a player right up their arse or they attempted to play a 'game winning' pass when one just wasn't on .... with all three unwilling or unable to assist the midfield this just got worse and worse as the game went on ....

Wilshere and Elneny completed just 55 passes and whilst Xhaka managed 60 on his own, not one of his created a chance ...... Spurs midfield two of Dembele and Dier managed more (109 passes completed) than our three players combined, and Dembele made the KP to Davies that created their goal .....

With so little service Ozil / Mkhi / Aube had just scraps to work with, as I've said elsewhere in a 50/50 possession game Kane had twice the touches of Aube, therefore our supply from back to front was just terrible .....

Jack may have his heart in the right place but he's not top quality, Elneny shouldn't be anywhere near a top six starting eleven, and Xhaka can only play in a team that has 80% possession .... a 50m midfield general he is not and he never will be .....

Ozil is top quality and now he's here for another three years, however without a solid DCM and probably two of them, he will be playing for the 4th placed trophy at best ... and he deserves, we deserve, better than that .....
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby Mike Dean » Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:15 am

EliteKiller wrote:The problem isn't Ozil getting 'shut down' it's the fact that our entire front three are isolated from the rest of the team .... when they did get the ball they invariably had a player right up their arse or they attempted to play a 'game winning' pass when one just wasn't on .... with all three unwilling or unable to assist the midfield this just got worse and worse as the game went on ....

Wilshere and Elneny completed just 55 passes and whilst Xhaka managed 60 on his own, not one of his created a chance ...... Spurs midfield two of Dembele and Dier managed more (109 passes completed) than our three players combined, and Dembele made the KP to Davies that created their goal .....

With so little service Ozil / Mkhi / Aube had just scraps to work with, as I've said elsewhere in a 50/50 possession game Kane had twice the touches of Aube, therefore our supply from back to front was just terrible .....

Jack may have his heart in the right place but he's not top quality, Elneny shouldn't be anywhere near a top six starting eleven, and Xhaka can only play in a team that has 80% possession .... a 50m midfield general he is not and he never will be .....

Ozil is top quality and now he's here for another three years, however without a solid DCM and probably two of them, he will be playing for the 4th placed trophy at best ... and he deserves, we deserve, better than that .....


Solid post. :clap:
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby Goonerz » Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:33 am

fredd1 wrote:It is when a wank manager plays him out of position Andrew.What other manager thinks it's a good idea to play your playmaker out on the wing.

Answer is none

Mourinho at Madrid and Joachim Lowe for Germany sometimes. Played the world cup on the wing. When Ozil is played on the wing he is allowed to roam (Free role).
Anyways, the whole team sucked, not a single player played well. The midfield and defense are still biggest problems. Apart from Ozil and Wilshere there ain’t any one else that is competent in the ball when being pressed or under pressure. Until we can sort these things out we will continue being embarrassed by the other Top teams home or away. Xhaka and Elneny absolutely bring nothing, can’t keep the ball, can’t attack, can’t defend etc. When pressured they want to get rid of the ball as quick ad possible. Lets not talk about our defence because it is even worse..
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby Andrew » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:54 am

It's sooo obvious yet everyone refuses to see it.

Back in the Fabregas, RVP, Song era we were actually pretty good against good teams and struggled sometimes against smaller teams .

It really isn't a coincidence we do so badly against good defences this days. It isn't Wenger, its the type of players we have.
Wenger can go tomorrow , we still ain't winning nothing with this set of players.
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby Ach » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:55 am

Different types of players. Same manager. Same problems
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby Luzh 22 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:00 am

Andrew wrote:It's sooo obvious yet everyone refuses to see it.

Back in the Fabregas, RVP, Song era we were actually pretty good against good teams and struggled sometimes against smaller teams .

It really isn't a coincidence we do so badly against good defences this days. It isn't Wenger, its the type of players we have.
Wenger can go tomorrow , we still ain't winning nothing with this set of players.


Tell me, before this current crop, how many sets of players has AW "been through" and how many majors did he win with them?

You are right though. We aren't winning anything of any significance any time soon, thanks to the now inherent rot permeating the club from top to bottom.

It's going to take years to change the culture of this once great club back to where it should be.
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby fredd1 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:01 am

Luzh 22 wrote:
Andrew wrote:It's sooo obvious yet everyone refuses to see it.

Back in the Fabregas, RVP, Song era we were actually pretty good against good teams and struggled sometimes against smaller teams .

It really isn't a coincidence we do so badly against good defences this days. It isn't Wenger, its the type of players we have.
Wenger can go tomorrow , we still ain't winning nothing with this set of players.


Tell me, before this current crop, how many sets of players has AW "been through" and how many majors did he win with them?

You are right though. We aren't winning anything of any significance any time soon, thanks to the now inherent rot permeating the club from top to bottom.

It's going to take years to change the culture of this once great club back to where it should be.


Sad but very true
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby theHotHead » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:39 pm

KG3 wrote:
Andrew wrote:Shutting down Ozil is the easiest thing in the world for any half decent defence.
That's why we struggle so much against good teams, cos he's our playmaker .


Exactly

Tweedle dum and tweedle dee.

Ozil was played out wide on the right, he is not a wide man. when he came into the centre he played better .. for the brief moment he was there.

shit game from him today but the manager must shoulder some oft he responsibility.

How predictable, these plums were all quiet the last few weeks, now they are pushing their heads up from behind the sofa. Simmer.
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby theHotHead » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:41 pm

Marsbar100 wrote:Wasted on the wing

this and this. We have seen him play consistently brilliantly the past few months in the centre and in one of the most important games of the season Wenger plays him out wide. :BangHead:
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby Luzh 22 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:51 pm

theHotHead wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:Wasted on the wing

this and this. We have seen him play consistently brilliantly the past few months in the centre and in one of the most important games of the season Wenger plays him out wide. :BangHead:


Not only that, but did it to accommodate Xhaka and Elneny, so that we had a stronger midfield. Dembele owned all 3 of our cm's yesterday by himself. That's how strong they were.
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby Mess » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:22 pm

fredd1 wrote:
Luzh 22 wrote:
Andrew wrote:It's sooo obvious yet everyone refuses to see it.

Back in the Fabregas, RVP, Song era we were actually pretty good against good teams and struggled sometimes against smaller teams .

It really isn't a coincidence we do so badly against good defences this days. It isn't Wenger, its the type of players we have.
Wenger can go tomorrow , we still ain't winning nothing with this set of players.


Tell me, before this current crop, how many sets of players has AW "been through" and how many majors did he win with them?

You are right though. We aren't winning anything of any significance any time soon, thanks to the now inherent rot permeating the club from top to bottom.

It's going to take years to change the culture of this once great club back to where it should be.


Sad but very true



Geez....I wonder who's the one buying those players uh?
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby theHotHead » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:09 pm

Luzh 22 wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:Wasted on the wing

this and this. We have seen him play consistently brilliantly the past few months in the centre and in one of the most important games of the season Wenger plays him out wide. :BangHead:


Not only that, but did it to accommodate Xhaka and Elneny, so that we had a stronger midfield. Dembele owned all 3 of our cm's yesterday by himself. That's how strong they were.

Exactly this. One strong man bossed midfield against 3 halflings. Better we get rid of Xhaka and Elneny and buy a proper man and beef up that midfield proper.
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby starmandb » Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:01 pm

Andrew wrote:It's sooo obvious yet everyone refuses to see it.

Back in the Fabregas, RVP, Song era we were actually pretty good against good teams and struggled sometimes against smaller teams .

It really isn't a coincidence we do so badly against good defences this days. It isn't Wenger, its the type of players we have.
Wenger can go tomorrow , we still ain't winning nothing with this set of players.

That's the set of players foisted on Wenger ?
You would think an 8 million pound manager would have a say in signings' team selection ' tactics etc
The man is a bloody martyr
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby coach8smallball » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:02 am

theHotHead wrote:
KG3 wrote:
Andrew wrote:Shutting down Ozil is the easiest thing in the world for any half decent defence.
That's why we struggle so much against good teams, cos he's our playmaker .


Exactly

Tweedle dum and tweedle dee.

Ozil was played out wide on the right, he is not a wide man. when he came into the centre he played better .. for the brief moment he was there.

shit game from him today but the manager must shoulder some oft he responsibility.

How predictable, these plums were all quiet the last few weeks, now they are pushing their heads up from behind the sofa. Simmer.


to add insult to injury, any time ozil drifted in we lost our width. playing ozil wide is so boneheaded. he struggles to get a rhythm and when he searches for touches by moving in, we lose width. frustrating.
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby Mike Dean » Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:31 am

It's amazing how awful and clueless we look in attack without him, even against a bunch of nobodies.

He basically orchestrates our attack.
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