The Wizard of Özil

[elkanofan]

Willock lightweight? Nah, hes just not quite there in technique yet which is his only drawback, the guy is already quite powerful and i'm sure once he's fully completely growing and give him 2 years he will be a powerhouse of a midfielder!

[elkanofan]

Calm down, he was wicked in that pre season! It was as you said, just the first game of the season at home vs a team out of our competitive range. Not a key fixture away at Old Trafford against a direct rival for CL football!

I'm calm. Guendouzi started our first five Premier League games under Emery. It wasn't just the first game. That also included Chelsea away who were our competitive rivals for the Top 4 spot. He also started at Old Trafford last season. Away to Man City...there were plenty of games. It wasn't just a one of game against teams outside of our competitive range. That's a poor argument.

No, it's you again who continues to make poor arguments for the sake of it. You do realize when we brought a number of players last season Torreria especially was fatigued after the Wolrd Cup so starting Guendouzi was a blessing for us in those games because Torreria wasn't ready to play much in the opening games and you have a very talented youngster in Guendouzi ready to go!

Your just so determined to find something to cling onto you end up making more an more errors! Just stop!

When you bring an argument to me, do your research.

[Highbury Hillbilly]

If Emery can't get the best out of Ozil then he shouldn't be in the squad. Ozil is a specialist to the extreme, he only does one thing well and needs everybody else in perfect alignment to do it.

Contrast that to PEA who puts in a shift regardless of how awful the midfield or defense is that day and usually manages to scramble a goal.

Now, if Emery could exercise some consistnenct and drop Xhaka to the EL/cup squad, I'd be delighted. But that won't happen.

[DiamondGooner]

Big difference in performing against EL teams as opposed to PL teams. Willock looks lightweight against PL teams so far. Will need more evidence that he is able to perform consistently against opposition that matters. Same with other academy grads.

Yes .......... because the men are bigger are in the Premier league right?

[Est83]

Would like to see Ozil in front of Torrieira an Guendouzi, they both have the work ethic. The front three would have to include Saka and not Pepe though... Pepe doesn't track back enough for my liking, probably can't have him and Ozil in the same team unless you're expected to run riot.

The #10 is a tricky one, who do you invest time in? Cebellos looks great, and you've gotta get your use out of your loan players. But do we utilise him or make him our main man only to lose him at the end of the season? The younger British players aren't quite there yet, and do any of them play an out and out #10 role?

I still think Ozil could do something in this team, but Emery seems hell bent on forcing him out. Not a problem so long as we've got someone lined up in one of the next two windows, but with the way we aspire to play (as Arsenal, not necessarily under Emery), it would be good if we had a player that could own this role.

[Nonlondoner]

Özil is finished at Arsenal. I've seen this time and again.

The real disrespect is that he's been earning £1m a month for some pretty rudimentary performances. We could have 2 or 3 decent, hard working players for that. I hope someone wants him in January, hopefully the new manager at Real Madrid.

Then we can get on with the rebuilding of Wenger's mess of a team either with Emery or someone else.

[VCC]

Özil is finished at Arsenal. I've seen this time and again.

The real disrespect is that he's been earning £1m a month for some pretty rudimentary performances. We could have 2 or 3 decent, hard working players for that. I hope someone wants him in January, hopefully the new manager at Real Madrid.

Then we can get on with the rebuilding of Wenger's mess of a team either with Emery or someone else.

Good post and 100% agree
This is The Arsenal and if you dont perform players managers included they should be moved on not as though Ozil has not had his chances

[Losmeister]

"Add a goal to the mix for Willock and he now has the same number of goals Ozil has scored since the start of last season. The youngster has played 23 fewer games."

[Power n Glory]

Calm down, he was wicked in that pre season! It was as you said, just the first game of the season at home vs a team out of our competitive range. Not a key fixture away at Old Trafford against a direct rival for CL football!

I'm calm. Guendouzi started our first five Premier League games under Emery. It wasn't just the first game. That also included Chelsea away who were our competitive rivals for the Top 4 spot. He also started at Old Trafford last season. Away to Man City...there were plenty of games. It wasn't just a one of game against teams outside of our competitive range. That's a poor argument.

No, it's you again who continues to make poor arguments for the sake of it. You do realize when we brought a number of players last season Torreria especially was fatigued after the Wolrd Cup so starting Guendouzi was a blessing for us in those games because Torreria wasn't ready to play much in the opening games and you have a very talented youngster in Guendouzi ready to go!

Your just so determined to find something to cling onto you end up making more an more errors! Just stop!

When you bring an argument to me, do your research.

That's a funny thing to say considering you were the one that made the argument that Guendouzi only started 1 game against a team outside of our competitive range not knowing he started 5 Prem games back to back. Take your own advice on this one. Go back and jog your memory on the fixtures and line ups.

You're also ignoring the other senior players with more experience that could play through the middle. Torriera may have been short on fitness but he wasn't the only option. You're now making it sound as if Guen wasn't picked on merit. Goal post shifting again. Ramsey could have played in a deeper CM position instead starting him as the advanced midfielder and he could have just started Ozil as the 10 instead of wide. Elneny was also on the bench and Mkhitaryan was also being used as a wide player whilst Iwobi was on the bench. Again, not saying Guendouzi shouldn't have started, but if Emery wanted to take a more conservative approach, the option was there for him. He chose talent over seniority in Guendouzi's case.

[elkanofan]

Calm down, he was wicked in that pre season! It was as you said, just the first game of the season at home vs a team out of our competitive range. Not a key fixture away at Old Trafford against a direct rival for CL football!

I'm calm. Guendouzi started our first five Premier League games under Emery. It wasn't just the first game. That also included Chelsea away who were our competitive rivals for the Top 4 spot. He also started at Old Trafford last season. Away to Man City...there were plenty of games. It wasn't just a one of game against teams outside of our competitive range. That's a poor argument.

No, it's you again who continues to make poor arguments for the sake of it. You do realize when we brought a number of players last season Torreria especially was fatigued after the Wolrd Cup so starting Guendouzi was a blessing for us in those games because Torreria wasn't ready to play much in the opening games and you have a very talented youngster in Guendouzi ready to go!

Your just so determined to find something to cling onto you end up making more an more errors! Just stop!

When you bring an argument to me, do your research.

That's a funny thing to say considering you were the one that made the argument that Guendouzi only started 1 game against a team outside of our competitive range not knowing he started 5 Prem games back to back. Take your own advice on this one. Go back and jog your memory on the fixtures and line ups.

Wow. Why on earth are you still talking? You have absolutley no point anymore. I went to 2 of the 5 opening games last season for crying out load. Matteo playing this games did not in anyway need to be mentioned but your that desperate you bring this up. Just stop,

You're also ignoring the other senior players with more experience that could play through the middle. Torriera may have been short on fitness

Wait for it....

but he wasn't the only option. You're now making it sound as if Guen wasn't picked on merit. Goal post shifting again. Ramsey could have played in a deeper CM position instead starting him as the advanced midfielder

In a position he has not played properly since 2016 and he played very badly there and no longer even suits his strengths.

Wait for it though...

and he could have just started Ozil as the 10 instead of wide. Elneny was also on the bench

Congratulations. You have competely and totally under minded yourself.

Instead of playing a quality young player who did brilliant in pre season we will stick Ozil out of position in his place, or play Eleneny and neglect that he had short ore seasons due to the summers World Cup and weren't not even fully ready for the season.

It goes on.

and Mkhitaryan was also being used as a wide player whilst Iwobi was on the bench. Again, not saying Guendouzi shouldn't have started, but if Emery wanted to take a more conservative approach, the option was there for him. He chose talent over seniority in Guendouzi's case.

Yeah. f**k Guendouzi he's too young. Lets stick an attacking mid at defensive mid despite Mattos quality pre season just to prove elkanofan wrong... anything anythingg.... i need to prove him wrong!

Just stop. For your own sake.

[Power n Glory]

@Elk ....Try to follow and maybe put the arrogance in check for a minute because you're twisting yourself up and it's starting to look silly.

This all stems from your argument that Willock wasn't ready to start against Man Utd away. Remember? My response to that is Guendouzi started that game and so did Saka despite his inexperience. I also referenced Guen starting against City, Chelsea and our first five games in his debut season.

I'm arguing in favour of Emery starting the young players and picking talent over seniority like he has done with Guendouzi and Saka. The above post about Ramsey, Ozil, Mkhitaryan, etc, are just examples of conservative choices Emery could have made for our opening 5 games, but instead he took a risk with an experienced kid and it paid off. I would have liked to have seen the same against Utd instead of us starting Xhaka and forcing Torreira to play an unorthodoxed role that produced a pretty weak performance.

Instead of playing a quality young player who did brilliant in pre season we will stick Ozil out of position in his place, or play Eleneny and neglect that he had short ore seasons due to the summers World Cup and weren't not even fully ready for the season

What you have said above, is essentially what we did against Man Utd and you have argued that we had no other choice when we could have started Willock instead playing Xhaka or sticking Torriera out of position. Get it?

[elkanofan]

@Elk ....Try to follow and maybe put the arrogance in check for a minute because you're twisting yourself up and it's starting to look silly.

This all stems from your argument that Willock wasn't ready to start against Man Utd away. Remember? My response to that is Guendouzi started that game and so did Saka despite his inexperience. I also referenced Guen starting against City, Chelsea and our first five games in his debut season.

I'm arguing in favour of Emery starting the young players and picking talent over seniority like he has done with Guendouzi and Saka. The above post about Ramsey, Ozil, Mkhitaryan, etc, are just examples of conservative choices Emery could have made for our opening 5 games, but instead he took a risk with an experienced kid and it paid off. I would have liked to have seen the same against Utd instead of us starting Xhaka and forcing Torreira to play an unorthodoxed role that produced a pretty weak performance.

No need to even repeat myself here at least.

He's argued we shouldn't start kids in such an important game against Utd, but glossed over the fact that Saka and Guendouzi started the game. Willock and Guendouzi started against Liverpool as well.

Oh FFS do you read properly? I answered this! You can absolutely afford to put a kid like Saka on the wing where his defensive role is just to help out his full back but primary attack. It does not require the same level of experience and responsibly needed to play disciplined defensive role in the middle which was keep to making sure United didn't get any momentum which they didn't until the second half.

Guendouzi has already had 1 full season here at Arsenal and seasons with Lorient, he is a defensive minded box to box player by trade! This is Willock's first full season as part of the main squad in his f***ing life! and you want to give him all this responsibility? IF he f***ked up... ooooh

"Emery makes too much changes"

It really shouldn't be hard to work out it's more important for players in the middle to be disciplined defensively than players playing right midfield/right wing. Which i something you have repeatedly failed to understand in any of this.

Instead of playing a quality young player who did brilliant in pre season we will stick Ozil out of position in his place, or play Eleneny and neglect that he had short ore seasons due to the summers World Cup and weren't not even fully ready for the season

What you have said above, is essentially what we did against Man Utd and you have argued that we had no other choice when we could have started Willock instead playing Xhaka or sticking Torriera out of position. Get it?

It's a real shame you ignore trying to understand people because your so convinced your right you just end up digging holes you can't get out of, its a real shame.

[Power n Glory]

It really shouldn't be hard to work out it's more important for players in the middle to be disciplined defensively than players playing right midfield/right wing. Which i something you have repeatedly failed to understand in any of this

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It's definitely not hard to work out which is why I can't understand why anyone would include Xhaka in their starting line up when he's so poor defensively. But you continue to do so with an 'Emery knows best' type of explanation despite knowing how poor he has been and admitting he needs dropping.

You also continue to ignore my reference to Guendozui. He was trusted to play important games last season and I'd say Willock is having a similar start to the season, but playing less games compared to what Guen played last year. I mentioned the start against Man City and the following response is a pretty poor argument, especially considering the fact that he started in our first 5 games for his opening season which included Chelsea and he also started against Utd at Old Trafford last season.

Calm down, he was wicked in that pre season! It was as you said, just the first game of the season at home vs a team out of our competitive range. Not a key fixture away at Old Trafford against a direct rival for CL football!

Wow. Why on earth are you still talking? You have absolutley no point anymore. I went to 2 of the 5 opening games last season for crying out load. Matteo playing this games did not in anyway need to be mentioned but your that desperate you bring this up. Just stop,

Going to the two opening games isn't really relevant to the point. You've missed the fact that Guen played a lot of important games last season and I don't see why Willock couldn't have played a part against Utd especially when he was started in diamond against Liverpool, who are much tougher opponents, whilst working alongside Xhaka, Ceballos and Guendouzi.

But either way, even if you're not a fan of starting a young player like Willock, I don't see why we couldn't have started Torreira, Guen and Ceballos. What's wrong with that trio?

[elkanofan]

It's definitely not hard to work out which is why I can't understand why anyone would include Xhaka in their starting line up when he's so poor

Well at least now the argument is over. I'm not going round in circles again man.

As soon as you mentioned Xhaka i could see you had some sort of ego issue going on and your trying to point score, one up or make sure you had the last post. Just chill out, Have some green tea.

[Ach]

Got 2 weeks to pull his finger out.

Train up and get in the match day squad

A fully fit and in form Ozil is a great addition to this team churning out wins. He's what we are missing in the final third but if he isn't training we'll then emery is doing the right thing.

Ffs Ozil sort yourself out