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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby swipe right » Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:18 am

Angelito wrote:I don't get why some of you are defending Arteta's decision to exclude Ozil. He's not been obvious about it. The club hasn't fed any such explanation to the media.

Whenever asked, Arteta always has a diplomatic answer. He's talked about footballing reasons. That would make sense if we didn't have Willian, Xhaka, and the likes. It would be relevant if we were performing well this season.

He could have pulled off a Conte or a Mourinho and simply stated that Ozil isn't the player he thinks he is anymore, and if you're not Messi or Ronaldo, you simply have to work hard for the team and prove yourself every day. Klopp's words btw.

He could have added that Ozil hasn't shown such a conviction, nor is he the same Ozil he was, so either he buys into what the team needs, or he is free to leave.

He hasn't said it. The club has been mysterious about the whole thing.

If Pep Guardiola came to Arsenal, banished Ozil, and found himself struggling to challenge for Europe, the same questions would he asked. And, Pep has won it all.

Ozil isn't the future of Arsenal. Arteta is. There's more to worry about Arteta's own abilities and man-management skills than find solace in slating a player who won't be here next season.

All of this is merely deflecting. Today, Ozil is the scapegoat. Tomorrow, it will be Pepe or Aubameyang. Nobody wins here.

During the Wenger years, people had an inherent right to defend Wenger because of his legacy. Arteta isn't Wenger.

Ozil doesn't even play. Yet, since we've started winning games, the vitriol has been deflected back to him.

None of this helps Arsenal. The worry is Arsenal itself doesn't want to help Arsenal.

There's nothing more to this. The club brought this on itself.

Prior to becoming Arsenal manager Arteta had the same amount of managerial experience as you and I do. I couldn’t give a hoot what he says. We are sitting in the lower half of the table and he’s going around banishing players the club is paying through its nose for and it’s not just Ozil. Yet jackasses seem to be eager to justify his decision.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby EliteKiller » Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:00 am

swipe right wrote:Prior to becoming Arsenal manager Arteta had the same amount of managerial experience as you and I do. I couldn’t give a hoot what he says. We are sitting in the lower half of the table and he’s going around banishing players the club is paying through its nose for and it’s not just Ozil. Yet jackasses seem to be eager to justify his decision.


Internet poster living in his basement claims same level of experience as a professional footballer who has successfully completed all his coaching badges and who has had three years experience as the assistant manager with a title wining side - yup that seems about the same.

Arteta may be a first time manager but he's forgotten more about professional football than you will ever know (or are you Wenger in disguise?)
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Power n Glory » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:42 am

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Would be a disaster if they can't find an agreement. He hasn't been linked with any big clubs and if he sits another 5 months out that surely has to effect his valuation again in the summer.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:49 am

EliteKiller wrote:
swipe right wrote:Prior to becoming Arsenal manager Arteta had the same amount of managerial experience as you and I do. I couldn’t give a hoot what he says. We are sitting in the lower half of the table and he’s going around banishing players the club is paying through its nose for and it’s not just Ozil. Yet jackasses seem to be eager to justify his decision.


Internet poster living in his basement claims same level of experience as a professional footballer who has successfully completed all his coaching badges and who has had three years experience as the assistant manager with a title wining side - yup that seems about the same.

Arteta may be a first time manager but he's forgotten more about professional football than you will ever know (or are you Wenger in disguise?)

EK, you are fast becoming "Internet dumbass who cannot see the wood through the trees", again !
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby EliteKiller » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:21 am

theHotHead wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
swipe right wrote:Prior to becoming Arsenal manager Arteta had the same amount of managerial experience as you and I do. I couldn’t give a hoot what he says. We are sitting in the lower half of the table and he’s going around banishing players the club is paying through its nose for and it’s not just Ozil. Yet jackasses seem to be eager to justify his decision.


Internet poster living in his basement claims same level of experience as a professional footballer who has successfully completed all his coaching badges and who has had three years experience as the assistant manager with a title wining side - yup that seems about the same.

Arteta may be a first time manager but he's forgotten more about professional football than you will ever know (or are you Wenger in disguise?)

EK, you are fast becoming "Internet dumbass who cannot see the wood through the trees", again !


Think you'll find you are the lone voice still advocating for a WC player from 2014 when we're now in 2021 ... you really must move on.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby swipe right » Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:23 am

EliteKiller wrote:
theHotHead wrote:
EliteKiller wrote:
swipe right wrote:Prior to becoming Arsenal manager Arteta had the same amount of managerial experience as you and I do. I couldn’t give a hoot what he says. We are sitting in the lower half of the table and he’s going around banishing players the club is paying through its nose for and it’s not just Ozil. Yet jackasses seem to be eager to justify his decision.


Internet poster living in his basement claims same level of experience as a professional footballer who has successfully completed all his coaching badges and who has had three years experience as the assistant manager with a title wining side - yup that seems about the same.

Arteta may be a first time manager but he's forgotten more about professional football than you will ever know (or are you Wenger in disguise?)

EK, you are fast becoming "Internet dumbass who cannot see the wood through the trees", again !


Think you'll find you are the lone voice still advocating for a WC player from 2014 when we're now in 2021 ... you really must move on.

I’m ready to move on but move on to whom? Dani Ceballos? Go sign a top class ten and I’ll move on. Till then stfu.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Phil71 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:24 am

Has he gone yet?
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:12 pm

Ozil is willing to give up 7m of the remainder of his contract in order to leave.
So, after all the accusations - it appears (as was obvious) that he actually wanted to stay with us for all the right reasons and has finally realised he is not going to play, so is now prepared to walk away from his contract.
Makes those people who banged on about him loving money more than football look pretty stupid. Maybe they could jump on his twitter and offer an apology.

oddly, this report seems to suggest that it is Arsenal who are dragging their feet now in letting him leave.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/13/mesut-oz ... -13899637/
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:15 pm

Power n Glory wrote:
Zenith wrote:


Would be a disaster if they can't find an agreement. He hasn't been linked with any big clubs and if he sits another 5 months out that surely has to effect his valuation again in the summer.


The question is - what is it that Arsenal need to agree? Why are they not just rubber-stamping this?
It would be utterly ridiculous if the club want a transfer fee AND Ozil to give up his wages.
We're heading towards a reputation of a club who does not honour contracts - or makes life difficult for players in order to get out of contract commitments.
Not a good look.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:33 pm

jayramfootball wrote:Ozil is willing to give up 7m of the remainder of his contract in order to leave.
So, after all the accusations - it appears (as was obvious) that he actually wanted to stay with us for all the right reasons and has finally realised he is not going to play, so is now prepared to walk away from his contract.
Makes those people who banged on about him loving money more than football look pretty stupid. Maybe they could jump on his twitter and offer an apology.

oddly, this report seems to suggest that it is Arsenal who are dragging their feet now in letting him leave.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/13/mesut-oz ... -13899637/

Well thats the point isn't it, when people have to put up or shut up they are often found out to be labbermouths !! Arteta/Arsenal talked a good game, but as we see continually they are full of shit.

Another win for Ozil, you would think Arsenal would be tired of being made to look like idiots. Now to see the idiotic spin Ozil's detractors try to put on this. But but but .....
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby EliteKiller » Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:16 pm

"Mesut Ozil prepared to forgo proportion of the ~£7m owed"

When you look further it seems Ozil is prepared to give up any bonuses and prize money for this season - NOT - any of his full basic salary .... seeing as he's not played a single contributing minute not will he if he leaves now - what a feckin' generous gesture - and the fanboys all fell for is, props to Ozil he sure knows how to manipulate the gullible :rofll: :rofll: :rofll:

If he wants to go then go - paid until the end of the month and then nothing - if he demands another six months basic salary then let him rot until July - the board for once is spot on.

No need for spin when the facts are available if you just bother to look .... if you walked out on your job to go somewhere else, would you get another six months pay? so why do you think Ozil should get it?
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Nuggets » Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:56 pm

EliteKiller wrote:"Mesut Ozil prepared to forgo proportion of the ~£7m owed"

When you look further it seems Ozil is prepared to give up any bonuses and prize money for this season - NOT - any of his full basic salary .... seeing as he's not played a single contributing minute not will he if he leaves now - what a feckin' generous gesture - and the fanboys all fell for is, props to Ozil he sure knows how to manipulate the gullible :rofll: :rofll: :rofll:

If he wants to go then go - paid until the end of the month and then nothing - if he demands another six months basic salary then let him rot until July - the board for once is spot on.

No need for spin when the facts are available if you just bother to look .... if you walked out on your job to go somewhere else, would you get another six months pay? so why do you think Ozil should get it?


He has shown his colours let him rot.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby jayramfootball » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:26 pm

EliteKiller wrote:"Mesut Ozil prepared to forgo proportion of the ~£7m owed"

When you look further it seems Ozil is prepared to give up any bonuses and prize money for this season - NOT - any of his full basic salary .... seeing as he's not played a single contributing minute not will he if he leaves now - what a feckin' generous gesture - and the fanboys all fell for is, props to Ozil he sure knows how to manipulate the gullible :rofll: :rofll: :rofll:

If he wants to go then go - paid until the end of the month and then nothing - if he demands another six months basic salary then let him rot until July - the board for once is spot on.

No need for spin when the facts are available if you just bother to look .... if you walked out on your job to go somewhere else, would you get another six months pay? so why do you think Ozil should get it?


Makes zero sense.
Bonuses will be related to playing. he's not getting them anyway.
Sounds like the club is pushing BS.

With his future at Arsenal very much decided, Ozil has reportedly softened his stance on remaining at Emirates Stadium through the duration of his contract. According to a report by The Athletic, Ozil would be willing to forego some of the remaining salary in order to join another club during the current transfer window.

The German would earn another £7 million if he were to stay at Arsenal for the rest of his contract, so a relinquished salary could cost Ozil millions. While he wouldn't be expected to give up his entire pay packet, it will likely take a substantial sum to hasten his movement to another club.


Seems only one party is willing to offer something up to end this mess. It is not Arsenal - which is s game considering it is the club that created the mess in the first place.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Rockape » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:44 pm

I love the way so many people on this forum relentlessly dig out our Club at every opportunity. Whatever happened to loyalty?
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Goonerz » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:10 pm

On, Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:06 pm.
I wrote

Goonerz wrote:
aniym wrote:And now we're back to "build the team around Ozil".

No other "top" player in the PL, including Ozil, needs the kind of coddling you're talking about.

He's just finished at this level and has been for a long time.

Hahahahahaha.
It’s called being delusional.

I predicted, give it some time and they will be on ARTETA’s back, labelling him as clueless, blaming him for why their cult hero has been a consistent disappointment for each manager since moving here.

ARTETA, strap yourself tightly and firmly into your seat. The fanboys will clutch at any straw they can get their finger tips on when it comes to defending their cult leader.

They will come for you. They ain’t got a filter when it comes to defending Ozil.
Lol :biggrin:

So predictable. Isn’t it?
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