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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Ach » Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:33 pm

Just out of curiosity, are you a member of the German FA? Their hatred and racism towards Ozil was disgusting.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Goonerz » Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:34 pm

I think Ozil did okay in the Man City game. He worked hard even if it was the same old no conviction hard work.
But i liked that he was trying to create and at the same time he was getting into the penalty box and trying to take shots.

Let’s see if all the players improve under Emery. It’s a new start for everyone.

I will may be start criticising individual players after a few games. They all need to adapt to Unai’s style. So it is only fair to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:18 pm

Marsbar100 wrote:
theHotHead wrote:We won trophies when Ozil came to Arsenal. Argument done.

No one lauds giroud or ramsey and they played a big part in winning them?

Giroud was here and we didn't win as was Ramsey. The trophies only stared being won when Ozil came. Coincidence ? To the biased and bad minded, yes !
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:21 pm

Dynamite wrote:
theHotHead wrote:We won trophies when Ozil came to Arsenal. Argument done.


We missed the CL with Özil under Wenger didn't happen before.
Argument done indeed.

Actually - we got the Champions league with 3 out of Ozil's 5 seasons, so, unlucky chap, try again ! Ozil's arrival did not kick start us not making the CL
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Arsenal~Fanatic » Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:22 pm

Heads i win tails you loose.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby HolyCow » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:50 am

theHotHead wrote:We won trophies when Ozil came to Arsenal. Argument done.


causation vs. correlation...?

might as well say we won trophies when Flamini returned to Arsenal..... or blame missing the CL on Ozil if you want to go by correlation...

Ozil has had a positive impact but the arguments here that are critical are that he fails to perform to this potential when it matters most. He doesn't make the difference when we need it most. He only receives so much criticism because everyone knows he has incredible natural ability but his lack of consistency, particularly going absent in big matches, is very frustrating because we all know he has the ability to contribute much more.

Ach wrote:Fleeing from the German team? Wtf

I take it people don't know what's happened between him and the German FA.I've been away for the past month so don't know what has been said on here about it but if anyone thinks he ran then they have no idea


please provide evidence demonstrating how oppressed and mistreated he was...

and read the quote I provided by his father following Ozil's exit from Madrid. he claimed Ozil was being made a scapegoat by the president and higher-ups at Real Madrid. literally made the same claim about Germany's higher ups. i'm still waiting for the racist quotes from the German FA to come out to justify Ozil's claims against them.
victimhood is far too trendy these days and the race card (along with all other identity cards) have been over-played in lazy attempts to silence critics without having to actually provide evidence to support the charges of racism.

it is naive for anyone nowadays to blindly take such charges at face value.


Ach wrote:Just out of curiosity, are you a member of the German FA? Their hatred and racism towards Ozil was disgusting.


please provide specific quotes. did they forget to bake him a cake on his birthday?
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Dynamite » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:49 am

HolyCow wrote:did they forget to bake him a cake on his birthday?


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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:09 am

Do some research, there are lots of articles about it, not least Karl Heinz Rumminegge calling the DFB amateurs in the wake of this issue.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Ach » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:20 am

Like I said, no idea
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Marsbar100 » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:36 am

He quit, he also quit madrid
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Ach » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:04 am

Marsbar100 wrote:He quit, he also quit madrid

Has no one read his statement?

Wtf

Its all in there

Please people, have a read
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Dynamite » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:13 am

Toni Kroos calls Mesut Özil’s claims of racism around Germany team ‘nonsense’
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/16/mesut-ozil-racism-claims-nonsense-toni-kroos
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Ach » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:20 am

Va-Va-Voom wrote:Kroos and Mueller are 100% nazis.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Marsbar100 » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:23 am

Haven't seen any evidence of racism, if someone who isn't a white European is critisced the racism card is always thrown.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby CaptGooner » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:24 am

Ach wrote:
Marsbar100 wrote:He quit, he also quit madrid

Has no one read his statement?

Wtf

Its all in there

Please people, have a read

People still like to brush racism aside like it’s a non-issue.

Let them live in an alternate reality.
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