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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Ach » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:27 pm

How is he still getting criticised?
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby VCC » Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:48 am

Ach wrote:How is he still getting criticised?

I dont understand either plays his best in the stand imo
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:52 am

Loads of footballers I don't like I criticise them when they play shit. These Ozil haters are an unfathomable twisted bunch. Hating a player not responsible for our current malaise seems ridiculous
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby alexafc12 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:16 am

Mesut missed training yesterday due to a slight back injury, so he is not in today's matchday squad.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Alexis » Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:37 am

alexafc12 wrote:
Mesut missed training yesterday due to a slight back injury, so he is not in today's matchday squad.


Yea it flares up everytime he sees that our next match is away and up north beyond the boundaries of London
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Nuggets » Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:00 pm

Alexis wrote:
alexafc12 wrote:
Mesut missed training yesterday due to a slight back injury, so he is not in today's matchday squad.


Yea it flares up everytime he sees that our next match is away and up north beyond the boundaries of London


He really should take better care of himself, perhaps he put his back out sitting awkwardly on the bench. ;)
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Goonerz » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:26 pm

jayramfootball wrote:
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Thanks for the deluded rant

Snapping back to reality:
- World Cup winner with Germany
- Player of the Year for Germany (oh, whilst he was playing under Wenger at Arsenal, by the way)
- 3 * FA Cup winner with Arsenal
- Broke the all-time premier league record for getting to 50 assists in the PL, breaking Cantona's record
- In his 184 league games for Arsenal, even including the last 18 months of slower productivity, he has on average created a big chance for a
teammate to score twice in every 3 games. (for reference, as you clearly know very little about football, that's right up there in the top players in the
PL all time - better than Cesc Fabregas for example - oh guess what, he's scored more per game than Fabregas too)
- 2nd only to Messi in assists over the last 10 years in the European leagues
- We've lost just 39 of the 184 league games he has played in.
- Spanish League Champion with Real Madrid
- Spanish Cup winner with Real Madrid
- German Cup winner with Werder Bremen
- European Under 21 Champion with Germany
- German under 19 League Champion with Shalke

Hope that helps.
He's easily our best player since he joined.

It's one thing to be upset about his wages vs the last 18 months productivity, but to denigrate his entire career shows that you are a tool.

The Ozil cultists are the most funny delusional lot ever. Hahaha
The good old, You know nothing about football catchphrase that they have familiarised themselves with every time their cult hero is called our for being an average overrated freeloaders. Lol

And on delusion that our resident £350,000 a week freeloader has been better than Cesc in the EPL. :biggrin:
Someone sometime back brought this to my attention.
All time stats in an Arsenal shirt:
1. Fabregas: 23936 mins, 57g, 92a, 160.6 mins per goal or assist
2. Özil: 20949 mins, 44g, 77a, 173.1 mins per goals or assist

Cesc scored more, assisted more, and did both at a higher rate considering minutes played.

However, that comparison is actually quite unfair on Cesc given that his first four seasons here were spent developing as a kid whereas Özil joined as a developed superstar. If we were only to compare Fabregas from 07/08 onwards (his breakout season) with Özil then we get the following results:

Stats following Fabregas's breakout season (07/08):
1. Fabregas: 12371 mins, 44g, 74a, 104.8 mins per goal or assist
2. Özil: 20949 mins, 44g, 77a, 173.1 mins per goals or assist

So Cesc not only wins, but wipes the floor with Mesut.

However, once again you could argue that comparison is unfair on Cesc given that he didn't start playing as a "10" until the 2009/2010 season. Before then he had been playing in a deeper midfield role, where you would expect him to be less productive. Özil, in comparison, has always played in an advanced role for us. If we were only to compare Fabregas's stats with Özil when playing the same role then we get the following results:

Stats following Fabregas's move to "10" role:
1. Fabregas: 5612 mins, 28g, 36a, 87.8 mins per goal or assist
2. Özil: 20949 mins, 44g, 77a, 173.1 mins per goals or assist

Özil's atomised body practically needs to be wiped off the floor at this point, with Fabregas proving to have been virtually twice as productive as Mesut while playing in a 10 role.

"bUt CeSc neVer HAd a seAsoN as GoOd as mEsUT iN 15/16"

Spoiler: top 5 seasons from either Cesc / Özil in an Arsenal shirt:

1. Cesc 09/10: 3068 mins, 19g, 20a, 78.7 mins per goal or assist
2. Cesc 10/11: 2544 mins, 9g, 16a, 101.8 mins per goal or assist
3. Cesc 07/08: 3889 mins, 13g, 22, 111.1 mins per goal or assist
4. Özil 15/16: 3940 mins, 8g, 20a, 140.7 mins per goal or assist
5. Özil 16/17: 3746 mins, 12g, 14a, 144.1 mins per goal or assist

And none of that is even taking account Cesc’s much greater involvement in our build up play / defensive involvements. Cesc @ Arsenal was absolute levels above Özil @ Arsenal.”

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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby ag6789 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:12 pm

Cultist or not, it seems he's not interested in football much. Really liked him before, but currently need to think past him. Nothing positive w/ him at the moment.
Just take the loss and move on. What a loss of prodigious talent.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:18 pm

Mate stats can be made to suit any agenda. Lets look at the totals:
Cesc - 23936 mins, 149 goals or assists.
Ozil - 20949 mins, 121 goals or assists - adjusted to match 23936 mins (using your 173 mins per goal/assist) = 138 goals or assists.

Now compare the players/team that Cesc played with, with the players team Ozil played with, its a miracle Ozil gets anywhere near Cesc's figures !!
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Dejan » Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:26 pm

Dont need stats to tell that cesc was better than ozil in their arsenal careers tbh.

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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Pat Rice in Short Shorts » Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:00 pm

Ozil is wasting his and our time on the club's dime.

Out for a sniffle, out for twinge, out for attitude. Then when he plays he sucks. The worst re sighing we have made ever in my book.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Nuggets » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:00 am

Pat Rice in Short Shorts wrote:Ozil is wasting his and our time on the club's dime.

Out for a sniffle, out for twinge, out for attitude. Then when he plays he sucks. The worst re sighing we have made ever in my book.


Sad but true, a white elephant he just needs to go but who is daft enough to take him?
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Phil71 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:20 am

Nuggets wrote:
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alexafc12 wrote:
Mesut missed training yesterday due to a slight back injury, so he is not in today's matchday squad.


Yea it flares up everytime he sees that our next match is away and up north beyond the boundaries of London


He really should take better care of himself, perhaps he put his back out sitting awkwardly on the bench. ;)


Picking his wages up more like.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby VCC » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:29 am

Lol I will say this because I ain't getting on the band wagon it has been my opinion for years.
It has always f***ing irritated me how anyone can believe he has been worth his wage, anyone who thinks this user deserves to be spoken about in the same breath as our legends need to take a look at them selves in a mirror
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby theHotHead » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:20 am

And yet nobody can change the fact that, signing Ozil prompted the end of our long chase for silverware. Buying that superstar player was the catalyst to end our trophy drought. all the hate in the world cannot change that signing Ozil brought about a change in our fortunes.
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