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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby LMAO » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:19 pm

Angelito wrote:
LMAO wrote:lmao Ozil is hands down the most decisive person in Arsenal history.


Freudian slip is apt.

Mesut defo the most successful Arsenal player of the Emirates era. :D


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LMAO wrote:lmao Ozil is hands down the most decisive person in Arsenal history.


'Divisive' you mean :sneaky:


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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby VCC » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:07 am

Rockape wrote:https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/mesut-ozil-arsenal-next-club-premier-league-perfect-player-managers-given-up-a9245036.html

Having never seen Ozil at Madrid I have only known him as mediocre with a hint of a pass who is going to wet himself with fear before he shoots. Amazes me that AW had these doubts but put him on the astronomical money he now gets,
Can only judge on what I have seen his agent however could sell icecream to Eskimos
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Angelito » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:02 pm

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Rockape wrote:https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/mesut-ozil-arsenal-next-club-premier-league-perfect-player-managers-given-up-a9245036.html

Having never seen Ozil at Madrid I have only known him as mediocre with a hint of a pass who is going to wet himself with fear before he shoots. Amazes me that AW had these doubts but put him on the astronomical money he now gets,
Can only judge on what I have seen his agent however could sell icecream to Eskimos


Having never seen Henry at Arsenal, I have only known him as Messi and Eto'o's sidekick at Barca..

Wait.

That's how ridiculous the statement sounds.

Regardless, Ozil has a record of second fastest to 50 assists in Premier League history. Second behind KdB and prior to KdB, he was the fastest to 50 in Prem history. Unlike KdB, Ozil didn't play for a star studded team in the Prem.

You don't achieve such a feat by being mediocre.

Ozil has 46 assists in Europe in 8,500 mins. For comparison's sake, KdB has 18 in 4,300 mins. Arsenal's darling, Cesc, has 27 in 9,300 mins.

In all competitions and since these stats were recorded, Ozil is only behind Messi as far as assists go in the all-time list.

Today, he's a different player to what he was. He's no longer peak Ozil. He shies away from shooting for reasons I don't understand. But he's no less effective in a different role, different style.

Ozil has long been a scapegoat. That doesn't mean that he hasn't been phenomenal for us. Ozil didn't join us during peak Wengerball and choked at crucial times. But since he's joined, he's achieved at Arsenal and has been a brilliant player for us.

He's still our best passer, our best midfielder, and technically as good a player as we've ever had.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby VCC » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:50 pm

Angelito wrote:
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Rockape wrote:https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/mesut-ozil-arsenal-next-club-premier-league-perfect-player-managers-given-up-a9245036.html

Having never seen Ozil at Madrid I have only known him as mediocre with a hint of a pass who is going to wet himself with fear before he shoots. Amazes me that AW had these doubts but put him on the astronomical money he now gets,
Can only judge on what I have seen his agent however could sell icecream to Eskimos


Having never seen Henry at Arsenal, I have only known him as Messi and Eto'o's sidekick at Barca..

Wait.

That's how ridiculous the statement sounds.

Regardless, Ozil has a record of second fastest to 50 assists in Premier League history. Second behind KdB and prior to KdB, he was the fastest to 50 in Prem history. Unlike KdB, Ozil didn't play for a star studded team in the Prem.

You don't achieve such a feat by being mediocre.

Ozil has 46 assists in Europe in 8,500 mins. For comparison's sake, KdB has 18 in 4,300 mins. Arsenal's darling, Cesc, has 27 in 9,300 mins.

In all competitions and since these stats were recorded, Ozil is only behind Messi as far as assists go in the all-time list.

Today, he's a different player to what he was. He's no longer peak Ozil. He shies away from shooting for reasons I don't understand. But he's no less effective in a different role, different style.

Ozil has long been a scapegoat. That doesn't mean that he hasn't been phenomenal for us. Ozil didn't join us during peak Wengerball and choked at crucial times. But since he's joined, he's achieved at Arsenal and has been a brilliant player for us.

He's still our best passer, our best midfielder, and technically as good a player as we've ever had.

The arguement of technical and first to 50 assists is also mute
The 50 assists is since records for assists has been taken, so the all time should be put in that context
And the technically is mute in the fact that football has changed in this era he is technically good ON THE BALL, off the ball he is a passenger ,I would argue imo Bergkamp Henry Brady were all technically better than Ozil
Brady was brilliant on the ball could pick a pass, beat a player and score goals, he would also tackle
Bergkamp and Henry both were more rounded players than Ozil
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Goonerz » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:01 pm

VCC wrote:
Rockape wrote:https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/mesut-ozil-arsenal-next-club-premier-league-perfect-player-managers-given-up-a9245036.html

Having never seen Ozil at Madrid I have only known him as mediocre with a hint of a pass who is going to wet himself with fear before he shoots. Amazes me that AW had these doubts but put him on the astronomical money he now gets,
Can only judge on what I have seen his agent however could sell icecream to Eskimos

I watched him at Madrid in a few games myself.
I remember there were always this “Ozil vs Iniesta” comparisons on the internet / YouTube going back to 2010-12, i think that is how i was introduced to ozil. There was so much hype and talk about this new talent. So I wanted to see for myself Who this Ozil kid was that was being compared to a footballing genius like Iniesta. Watched him here and there whenever madrid played Barcelona , Atletico or the CL. And i always said “He would absolutely struggle in the EPL”. Much better players at Madrid / Germany national team made him look better than he actually was.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby LMAO » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:54 pm

Well...he ain't going to the CSL.

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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby EliteKiller » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:42 pm

Guys becoming a real liability - he is employed and paid by Arsenal football club, we have a policy of never commenting on politics or non-football issues - whilst Ozil is perfectly entitled to hold personal views, like all of us he has to abide by the policies of the company that pays his wages - NO COMMENT

His latest media foray risks severely damaging Arsenal's substantial China interests, we've been quick to distance ourselves from his comments but the damage may already have been done.

“Regarding the comments made by Mesut Özil on social media, Arsenal must make a clear statement,” it read. “The content published is Özil’s personal opinion. As a football club, Arsenal has always adhered to the principle of not involving itself in politics.”


Not at all criticising his views, just his lack of intelligence in voicing them so publicly, he has to go but I guess the CSL won't want him, nor will the MLS or any club in Europe with China contacts, in fact Turkey is probably about all that's left.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Phil71 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:57 pm

Like every high profile employee of every company and organisation he has to be aware of the impact of voicing political opinions in public.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby VCC » Fri Dec 13, 2019 11:12 pm

Phil71 wrote:Like every high profile employee of every company and organisation he has to be aware of the impact of voicing political opinions in public.

Ozil is all about Ozil, he plays football the same way everything has to go his way or there is nothing given back.
Out of curiosity how much does he do for the Arsenal public eg hospital visits and such ?
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby Dejan » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:04 am

Angelito wrote:
In all competitions and since these stats were recorded, Ozil is only behind Messi as far as assists go in the all-time list.


Untrue.

Angelito wrote:Ozil has long been a scapegoat. That doesn't mean that he hasn't been phenomenal for us until 2 years ago



Fixed*

5 assists in the last 17 months at the club. Basically we paid him nearly 4.5m per assist. Cracking stuff.


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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby gamechannel » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:31 am

Nothing wrong with voicing ones opinion. Players are human beings. If he has opinions about violation of human rights, more power to him. I hope other high profile athletes follow suit. Violations of human rights could use more global awareness through high profile people making a case for it.

And don't give me this "as an employee of a public company Ozil should toe the company line and keep his mouth shut" BS. Everyone and their grandmother gets their panties in a twist (rightly so) whenever black players get racially abused during games or when even the slightest hints of anti-semitism is noticed in a public platform but the same ppl stay quiet when other traversities happen to other non-sexy (and dare I say needlessly marginalized) groups like Muslims.

Good on Ozil for being tough - for once in his life. Now if he can channel the same toughness on the pitch this weekend and not be his usual pussy self.
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby EliteKiller » Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:15 am

gamechannel wrote:Nothing wrong with voicing ones opinion. Players are human beings. If he has opinions about violation of human rights, more power to him. I hope other high profile athletes follow suit. Violations of human rights could use more global awareness through high profile people making a case for it.

And don't give me this "as an employee of a public company Ozil should toe the company line and keep his mouth shut" BS. Everyone and their grandmother gets their panties in a twist (rightly so) whenever black players get racially abused during games or when even the slightest hints of anti-semitism is noticed in a public platform but the same ppl stay quiet when other traversities happen to other non-sexy (and dare I say needlessly marginalized) groups like Muslims.

Good on Ozil for being tough - for once in his life. Now if he can channel the same toughness on the pitch this weekend and not be his usual pussy self.


Meanwhile in the real world ...
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby LMAO » Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:38 am

So Ozil is wrong to speak out about a genocide because that might disrupt one of Arsenal's revenue streams? That's the problem with unfettered capitalism: money > lives. It's especially hyocritical of the club when Bellerin tweeted "Fvck Boris Johnson" a couple days ago and the club didn't say a word.

Global superstars have a platform most people can only dream of, and it's their choice as to how they use it. Like I said with Erdogan, he can voice his opinion if he wants, but he should also know the consequences of his actions (rightly or wrongly).
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Re: Mesut Özil (10)

Postby gamechannel » Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:34 am

EliteKiller wrote:
gamechannel wrote:Nothing wrong with voicing ones opinion. Players are human beings. If he has opinions about violation of human rights, more power to him. I hope other high profile athletes follow suit. Violations of human rights could use more global awareness through high profile people making a case for it.

And don't give me this "as an employee of a public company Ozil should toe the company line and keep his mouth shut" BS. Everyone and their grandmother gets their panties in a twist (rightly so) whenever black players get racially abused during games or when even the slightest hints of anti-semitism is noticed in a public platform but the same ppl stay quiet when other traversities happen to other non-sexy (and dare I say needlessly marginalized) groups like Muslims.

Good on Ozil for being tough - for once in his life. Now if he can channel the same toughness on the pitch this weekend and not be his usual pussy self.


Meanwhile in the real world ...


The same real world where genocides are happening... Got it. Arsenal fans want their athletes to just have a social media influence when it comes to posting photos and videos showing their cars, their gf's/wives, their dogs, posting fake messages of encouragement before games etc. Basically just be Muppets without any feelings.

As much as social media has given ppl voices, it's also given rise to easily triggered ppl like you who take offense to everything and anything these ppl say or do on their social media platforms.

Hate Ozil the player all you want. He deserves the hate for not living up to the high wages he gets. But hating Ozil cuz he has personal views about injustice, that's just plain stupid.
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