The Wizard of Özil

[ronniec]

Ozil’s Real Madrid stats show his true worth. In 83 starts he created 46 goals, scoring 19. The bulk of these games he had Xabi Alonso and Sami Khedira relieving him of defensive duties.

Özil has never been the engine room of any football team. He’s no Patrick Vieira who can single-handedly take a game by the scruff of the neck. He is the luxury , stick him in the right environment, in the right position, with the right players around him, and there very few if any better No 10s in the world

100% correct. It's literally counter productive for the team and the player that he remains here.

He hasn't got the players around him to do what he does. In that situation, he becomes a liability for the team, given your reasons above.

We'd be much better off starting a hacking pubber in his place.



As for the latter part of your post, it's never going to happen, so might as well just sell.

Both well said.

[arsenalpan]

Ozil’s Real Madrid stats show his true worth. In 83 starts he created 46 goals, scoring 19. The bulk of these games he had Xabi Alonso and Sami Khedira relieving him of defensive duties.

Özil has never been the engine room of any football team. He’s no Patrick Vieira who can single-handedly take a game by the scruff of the neck. He is the luxury , stick him in the right environment, in the right position, with the right players around him, and there very few if any better No 10s in the world

100% correct. It's literally counter productive for the team and the player that he remains here.

He hasn't got the players around him to do what he does. In that situation, he becomes a liability for the team, given your reasons above.

We'd be much better off starting a hacking pubber in his place.



As for the latter part of your post, it's never going to happen, so might as well just sell.

We were actually just one step away from a perfect team when we got Sanchez. A small but the most important step. A DM to pair with Cazorla. We missed that point. And now we not only need a DM but also a CM, a CB and a RWB. Ozil is still Ozil, but the team is not.

We are a mid table team and we would definitely win some games with or without Ozil. And we also would definitely lose some games with or without Ozil. This team won't get any better by selling Ozil. The only benefit is making some money through the sale in January.
My point is Ozil has his own weakness but he should not be the one taking the responsibility for current situation.
But yes, there is no point for the club to keep him. And yes, there is no point for Ozil to stay here either. What a tragedy for both the player and the club.

[Goonerz]

I can still see the fan boys trying to blame everyone else but their prince.. We all know wenger is terrible but was it wengers fault that Ozil missed such an easy chance? We can blame wenger for the performance of the team etc, but when individual so called world players poop their pants every time they have to take responsibility when a goal scoring chance comes around then how can you then blame wenger?

[Goonerz]

He just needs to be gone and try to find somebody who actually wants to play for the club, but where ?

We will have a very hard time attracting top players once Sanchez and Ozil leave. We have a hard time getting them here as it is.

You think quality players would want to come to this club to play with Welbeck and Iwobi up front and Xhaka/Elneny/Ramsey midfield?

I have been saying it...we needed to keep these two and add at least two more WC players. You add to them. You dont replace them.

Instead we will be losing both and adding no one.

Get the right players that suit our system. Buy players that balance the team out. The Cesc era was not full of so called world class players but they never embarrassed us like this before.. Being smashed by 5, 6 , 4's all the time. It is now not a surprise to us if we are smashed by 5 goals or 6 goals etc..

Get the right players that balance our team instead of these mercenary rejects from Madrid and Barcelona. I have had enough..

[Cripps]

Cesc era was also shit and we won f all

Theres a reason why Barca got rid asap and hes a bench player at Chelsea

[Goonerz]

His miss wasn't that bad ffs, it was a shot straight at the keeper, that happens in every game but people don't harp on about bad misses.

This is funny.. All we ever hear is how Ozil is being made to look terrible by our average players that can't finish his chances blah blah.. But he is the most terrible attacking midfielder in front of goal.. Imagine if it was headless chicken Ramsey, Giroud, Walcott, Xhaka, Welbeck, Elneny etc that had missed that chance. Mama mia, we would not have heard the end of it. "Average players like so and so are making Ozil look bad because they can't convert is chances blah blah".. lol

[ronniec]

His miss wasn't that bad ffs, it was a shot straight at the keeper, that happens in every game but people don't harp on about bad misses.

This is funny.. All we ever hear is how Ozil is being made to look terrible by our average players that can't finish his chances blah blah.. But he is the most terrible attacking midfielder in front of goal.. Imagine if it was headless chicken Ramsey, Giroud, Walcott, Xhaka, Welbeck, Elneny etc that had missed that chance. Mama mia, we would not have heard the end of it. "Average players like so and so are making Ozil look bad because they can't convert is chances blah blah".. lol

I want to know if Ozil missed those kind of chances and opportunities regularly? Or it was just occasionally?

It was a bad miss, yes, and that's it, move on. He did not bottle the number of chances that Giroud used to be.
We lost the game NOT because of him failing to score that goal.

[Mike Dean]

Cesc era was also shit and we won f all

Theres a reason why Barca got rid asap and hes a bench player at Chelsea

This.

This is not that era.

Much tougher and loaded teams now.

Gone are the days when you could get 1 or 2 star players and a bunch of average players with a good system and win the league.

Wenger had his chance and blew it.

CIty and ManU are going to leave everyone behind with quality managers and their spending. Chlesea will be CHelsea and be right back in it and Liverpool already got Keita and once they get their defense sorted, they will be right there. They are not afraid of spending.

Spurs is the best level we can achieve with that model and even they, despite their rock solid defense and an excellent striker, are not going to trouble United or City. And we dont have the defense or midfield of Spurs. Wenger does not know how to coach defense and now cant even get his attack right. We really have no identity as a team.

With average players like ours, we are looking at 5-6th finish at best and that is even IF we replace both Ozil and Sanchez with two star players (which isnt happening anytime soon).

We are stuck with average to below average players like Welbeck, Walcott, Wilshere, Elneny, Ramsey, Giroud etc etc. The same players we have had for years. While other teams have gone through their cycles and are on the upward climb, we are going back to the players that got us nowhere 4-5 years ago.

Disgraceful.

[CrimsonGunner11]

Ozil’s Real Madrid stats show his true worth. In 83 starts he created 46 goals, scoring 19. The bulk of these games he had Xabi Alonso and Sami Khedira relieving him of defensive duties.

Özil has never been the engine room of any football team. He’s no Patrick Vieira who can single-handedly take a game by the scruff of the neck. He is the luxury , stick him in the right environment, in the right position, with the right players around him, and there very few if any better No 10s in the world

Since joining Arsenal he has created more chances (401), more big chances (51) and provided more assists (42) than any other Premier League player and its basically the same story this season.Before the Chelsea game he'd created 15 clear cut scoring opportunites this season, again the highest by anone this season.

Finding a way to reinforce the midfield is key to extracting better performances from Ozil and we will reap the rewards,not to hit his confidence by criticising him all the time. People need to get off his back and actually value what he CAN bring to the team.

This is why I believe an Ozil, martial swap would be an excellent deal for all parties (assuming we intend to compete seriously moving forward). Ozil would be in a team capable of easily building the team around him; Martial would be in a team where he’d not only be starting most games but most likely be idolized; United would get one of if not the best creative players around; We would get a player who could do a job without really relying too much on whoever’s playing around him.

It’s a Win-win-win-win. And, tbh, it doesn’t even need to be martial. We could trade with any team that is capable of spending big every window, needs a creative player, and has a decent, hard working player they wouldn’t mind letting go

No, Martial never tracks back.

Messi really isn't known for tracking back too much either. As long as the player is doing the business up the other end then the player will be worth it because you can mask his weakness.

And, fwiw, I prefer my offensive players to be able to track back but you can't really complain if they're involved in enough goals that their defensive deficiencies won't jeopardize the end result

[EliteKiller]

Funny when you think that Iniesta pretty much gave up defending in about 2010 ... his sole purpose being as "a playmaker who relies on exceptional creative passing, intuition and inventiveness to control the midfield and dictate the ebb and flow of play" .... of course having Xavi alongside made that possible and having a world class attack also helps ... but 60 goals in 694 games? that makes Ozil look like a positive goal machine 77 in 473 .... if you look at the yards covered per game Ozil works much harder, he's just doing it alone ....

Of course Iniesta can defend far better than Ozil .... but he's been able to thrive in a squad where that's not required .... for ten years he's been mentioned as one of the world's best .... certainly helps to be in one of the world's best sides not a side that's been going backwards for a decade ....

Ozil will leave us and be a star at a club that can accommodate his obvious skill set .... we'd be fools to doubt that ....

[theHotHead]

I can still see the fan boys trying to blame everyone else but their prince.. We all know wenger is terrible but was it wengers fault that Ozil missed such an easy chance? We can blame wenger for the performance of the team etc, but when individual so called world players poop their pants every time they have to take responsibility when a goal scoring chance comes around then how can you then blame wenger?

"fanboys" ??? How old are you, 12 ?

[arsenalpan]

He just needs to be gone and try to find somebody who actually wants to play for the club, but where ?

We will have a very hard time attracting top players once Sanchez and Ozil leave. We have a hard time getting them here as it is.

You think quality players would want to come to this club to play with Welbeck and Iwobi up front and Xhaka/Elneny/Ramsey midfield?

I have been saying it...we needed to keep these two and add at least two more WC players. You add to them. You dont replace them.

Instead we will be losing both and adding no one.

Get the right players that suit our system. Buy players that balance the team out. The Cesc era was not full of so called world class players but they never embarrassed us like this before.. Being smashed by 5, 6 , 4's all the time. It is now not a surprise to us if we are smashed by 5 goals or 6 goals etc..

Get the right players that balance our team instead of these mercenary rejects from Madrid and Barcelona. I have had enough..

If you meant to find some RIGHT players to replace Ozil and Sanchez to balance a team built up by Welbeck, Xhaka, Elneny, Ramsey, then you deserve a mid table team and play EL every year.

[Losmeister]

Funny when you think that Iniesta pretty much gave up defending in about 2010 ... his sole purpose being as "a playmaker who relies on exceptional creative passing, intuition and inventiveness to control the midfield and dictate the ebb and flow of play" .... of course having Xavi alongside made that possible and having a world class attack also helps ... but 60 goals in 694 games? that makes Ozil look like a positive goal machine 77 in 473 .... if you look at the yards covered per game Ozil works much harder, he's just doing it alone ....

Of course Iniesta can defend far better than Ozil .... but he's been able to thrive in a squad where that's not required .... for ten years he's been mentioned as one of the world's best .... certainly helps to be in one of the world's best sides not a side that's been going backwards for a decade ....

Ozil will leave us and be a star at a club that can accommodate his obvious skill set .... we'd be fools to doubt that ....

Iniesta scores goals when the opportunity presents itself, and has scored two massive clutch goals... please tell me I do not have to mention the when and where ....

[Losmeister]

I can still see the fan boys trying to blame everyone else but their prince.. We all know wenger is terrible but was it wengers fault that Ozil missed such an easy chance? We can blame wenger for the performance of the team etc, but when individual so called world players poop their pants every time they have to take responsibility when a goal scoring chance comes around then how can you then blame wenger?

this, in general, is an argument that I have made many a time...


in one way you can blame the manager for not pressing to GET the players who CAN perform under pressure, but the actual performance is down to the players

[Angelito]

Ahem. Ozil is in the top-3 best-performing players in the last two World Cups combined.

Just stating.