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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby diesel » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:28 am

I totally agree that oil is a top player and that Wenker is an arrogant deluded out of touch old man who is at the root of our problems but surely ozils miss at 1-0 is inexcusable ? no one at our club is held accountable. owner, board, manager, players. in this cesspit of greed and failure none of them act as true custodians of arsenals great histor and standards. reality is we fans are the only ones with power to change and we dont know how or have become too apathetic to try and change it
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby Nuggets » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:36 am

He just needs to be gone and try to find somebody who actually wants to play for the club, but where ?
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby Mike Dean » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:55 am

Nuggets wrote:He just needs to be gone and try to find somebody who actually wants to play for the club, but where ?


We will have a very hard time attracting top players once Sanchez and Ozil leave. We have a hard time getting them here as it is.

You think quality players would want to come to this club to play with Welbeck and Iwobi up front and Xhaka/Elneny/Ramsey midfield?

I have been saying it...we needed to keep these two and add at least two more WC players. You add to them. You dont replace them.

Instead we will be losing both and adding no one.
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby Nuggets » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:00 am

Mike Dean wrote:
Nuggets wrote:He just needs to be gone and try to find somebody who actually wants to play for the club, but where ?


We will have a very hard time attracting top players once Sanchez and Ozil leave. We have a hard time getting them here as it is.

You think quality players would want to come to this club to play with Welbeck and Iwobi up front and Xhaka/Elneny/Ramsey midfield?

I have been saying it...we needed to keep these two and add at least two more WC players. You add to them. You dont replace them.

Instead we will be losing both and adding no one.


Or, replacing them with bargain basement players.
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby Dejan » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:16 am

anyone has a gif of the miss?
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby DiamondGooner » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:30 pm

Angelito wrote:I dearly hope we sell Ozil in January. I don't want anyone to become a scapegoat for Wenger's blundering lunacy.

Telegraph's sport headline today is about Ozil flopping again. We're the only club where individual players are blamed repeatedly (and none of them are English players by any chance) over the manager.

If Ozil has to go in January, so be it. If Alexis is sold, so be it. We're not playing them either way. There's no point keeping them, especially since Ozil, more importantly, will be primed and hounded for any Arsenal mishap from here until the end of the season.

Just leave, Mesut.


Agreed, lots of deranged fans creaming over the likes of Ramsey and co deserve what they get, mediocrity is clearly here to stay.

I'm also sick of people scapegoating Ozil, I can tell he's finally unhappy here now, the one top player who actually wanted to be here has finally had enough.

Lacazette will probably follow next summer.
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby casual69 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:55 pm

Ozil’s Real Madrid stats show his true worth. In 83 starts he created 46 goals, scoring 19. The bulk of these games he had Xabi Alonso and Sami Khedira relieving him of defensive duties.

Özil has never been the engine room of any football team. He’s no Patrick Vieira who can single-handedly take a game by the scruff of the neck. He is the luxury , stick him in the right environment, in the right position, with the right players around him, and there very few if any better No 10s in the world

Since joining Arsenal he has created more chances (401), more big chances (51) and provided more assists (42) than any other Premier League player and its basically the same story this season.Before the Chelsea game he'd created 15 clear cut scoring opportunites this season, again the highest by anone this season.

Finding a way to reinforce the midfield is key to extracting better performances from Ozil and we will reap the rewards,not to hit his confidence by criticising him all the time. People need to get off his back and actually value what he CAN bring to the team.
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby Luzh 22 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:12 pm

casual69 wrote:Ozil’s Real Madrid stats show his true worth. In 83 starts he created 46 goals, scoring 19. The bulk of these games he had Xabi Alonso and Sami Khedira relieving him of defensive duties.

Özil has never been the engine room of any football team. He’s no Patrick Vieira who can single-handedly take a game by the scruff of the neck. He is the luxury , stick him in the right environment, in the right position, with the right players around him, and there very few if any better No 10s in the world



100% correct. It's literally counter productive for the team and the player that he remains here.

He hasn't got the players around him to do what he does. In that situation, he becomes a liability for the team, given your reasons above.

We'd be much better off starting a hacking pubber in his place.



As for the latter part of your post, it's never going to happen, so might as well just sell.
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby CrimsonGunner11 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:41 pm

casual69 wrote:Ozil’s Real Madrid stats show his true worth. In 83 starts he created 46 goals, scoring 19. The bulk of these games he had Xabi Alonso and Sami Khedira relieving him of defensive duties.

Özil has never been the engine room of any football team. He’s no Patrick Vieira who can single-handedly take a game by the scruff of the neck. He is the luxury , stick him in the right environment, in the right position, with the right players around him, and there very few if any better No 10s in the world

Since joining Arsenal he has created more chances (401), more big chances (51) and provided more assists (42) than any other Premier League player and its basically the same story this season.Before the Chelsea game he'd created 15 clear cut scoring opportunites this season, again the highest by anone this season.

Finding a way to reinforce the midfield is key to extracting better performances from Ozil and we will reap the rewards,not to hit his confidence by criticising him all the time. People need to get off his back and actually value what he CAN bring to the team.


This is why I believe an Ozil, martial swap would be an excellent deal for all parties (assuming we intend to compete seriously moving forward). Ozil would be in a team capable of easily building the team around him; Martial would be in a team where he’d not only be starting most games but most likely be idolized; United would get one of if not the best creative players around; We would get a player who could do a job without really relying too much on whoever’s playing around him.

It’s a Win-win-win-win. And, tbh, it doesn’t even need to be martial. We could trade with any team that is capable of spending big every window, needs a creative player, and has a decent, hard working player they wouldn’t mind letting go
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby Losmeister » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:48 pm

in principle i am against 10 men having to put in %110 so one can put in 90%
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby theHotHead » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:27 pm

His miss wasn't that bad ffs, it was a shot straight at the keeper, that happens in every game but people don't harp on about bad misses.
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby BouncySean » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:43 pm

I've often been the first to criticise him. However I thought he put a real shift in yesterday and Lacazette missed a similar chance to Ozil's one in preseason.
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby arsenalpan » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:44 pm

Losmeister wrote:in principle i am against 10 men having to put in %110 so one can put in 90%

Football means much much more than keep running to get the ball back for 90 minutes. A headless chicken always put in 200%.

Ozil has one of the longest distance covered per game in this team, You guys just never understand what he has been running for. Sadly, most of his teammates don't either. Sanchez, Monreal and Iwobi are the only a few who can understand it. Cazorla used to but he won't play for us again. Go watch some games he played for German national team and see how Kross and Khedira linked up with him.
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby arsenalpan » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:45 pm

CrimsonGunner11 wrote:
casual69 wrote:Ozil’s Real Madrid stats show his true worth. In 83 starts he created 46 goals, scoring 19. The bulk of these games he had Xabi Alonso and Sami Khedira relieving him of defensive duties.

Özil has never been the engine room of any football team. He’s no Patrick Vieira who can single-handedly take a game by the scruff of the neck. He is the luxury , stick him in the right environment, in the right position, with the right players around him, and there very few if any better No 10s in the world

Since joining Arsenal he has created more chances (401), more big chances (51) and provided more assists (42) than any other Premier League player and its basically the same story this season.Before the Chelsea game he'd created 15 clear cut scoring opportunites this season, again the highest by anone this season.

Finding a way to reinforce the midfield is key to extracting better performances from Ozil and we will reap the rewards,not to hit his confidence by criticising him all the time. People need to get off his back and actually value what he CAN bring to the team.


This is why I believe an Ozil, martial swap would be an excellent deal for all parties (assuming we intend to compete seriously moving forward). Ozil would be in a team capable of easily building the team around him; Martial would be in a team where he’d not only be starting most games but most likely be idolized; United would get one of if not the best creative players around; We would get a player who could do a job without really relying too much on whoever’s playing around him.

It’s a Win-win-win-win. And, tbh, it doesn’t even need to be martial. We could trade with any team that is capable of spending big every window, needs a creative player, and has a decent, hard working player they wouldn’t mind letting go

No, Martial never tracks back. :)
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Re: Mesut Özil (11)

Postby arsenalpan » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:57 pm

I am a big Ozil fan and I never blame him for not tracking back or what ever. But as one the best CAM in the world, he dose need to improve 2 things, no excuse.
1. shooting , especially under 1vs1 condition.
2. stop losing the ball outside of our box. It has happened a few times when he tried to hold the ball with 2 or 3 opponent players at his back and then lost it. Less than 5 seconds later, we conceded a goal. Never seen other top players making this kind of mistake again and again.
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